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How do I optimize which minerals to mine?

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iopq
Profile Joined March 2009
United States601 Posts
October 25 2022 11:37 GMT
#1
I watched Soma try to 9 pool a few times and he's consistently gotten it down to 1:02 and his best was 1:01.98 or something very close

When I do it, even if I mineral boost one drone I can't improve beyond 1:05

Is there a chart for every map where to send the initial four drones and where to keep sending drones? Assuming you mineral boost the top right mineral doing this
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France2846 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-25 16:02:49
October 25 2022 14:55 GMT
#2
so I couldnt find for every map but Freakling made a helpful picture in the Cadenzie guide thread:

[image loading]

Did you try it that way?

edit: I actually tried this like 10 times and like you i cant do better than 1:05
Former WCG ref, WGTour.com and Fra-A admin. Current Clan ash admin, TDR NW Team NEU captain and BWCL Head Admin
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9846 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-26 20:06:28
October 25 2022 19:45 GMT
#3
On October 25 2022 23:55 WGT-Baal wrote:
so I couldnt find for every map but Freakling made a helpful picture in the Cadenzie guide thread:

[image loading]

Did you try it that way?

edit: I actually tried this like 10 times and like you i cant do better than 1:05


but that's not the standard min positioning on modern right side bases, this is:

[image loading]

left side bases are weird because the old min patches are bad (poly/fs etc), they mine differently based on whether u spawn top left or bot left. the best left side bases are L shaped

like this:

[image loading]

i haven't tested the mining on these bases yet but i would guess 346978215, not sure about 1, it could be super shit or good

edit: details in my next post
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WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France2846 Posts
October 25 2022 20:00 GMT
#4
for P I follow this detailed guide by Khala:


but for Z yeah I m not 100% sure
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6187 Posts
October 25 2022 22:51 GMT
#5
On October 25 2022 20:37 iopq wrote:
I watched Soma try to 9 pool a few times and he's consistently gotten it down to 1:02 and his best was 1:01.98 or something very close

When I do it, even if I mineral boost one drone I can't improve beyond 1:05

Is there a chart for every map where to send the initial four drones and where to keep sending drones? Assuming you mineral boost the top right mineral doing this

1:05 is a really good timing bro .
Hawk2
Profile Joined August 2010
United States227 Posts
October 26 2022 16:46 GMT
#6
[image loading]
[image loading]

See patch numbers in blue, this is how I assign a number to each patch.
See patch ranking in red, the lower the number the *faster* it mines. Some patches mine at the same rate, in which the tie-break is which patch is closer to where the larva/drone spawns.

All this being said, if you can do 105 pool, then that's good enough. Even if you're able to do 102 pool, you won't have 3 larva by the time your pool finishes, so it's not as useful as it appears.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9846 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-26 20:53:52
October 26 2022 19:24 GMT
#7
you can check this guys vods for Z, he has really fast pool timings, 1:10 secs for overpool (basically 1 min for 9p) and 1 min for 9p

left base L shaped mins 1:10 ovp:

^looks like on left base L shaped he starts on 1369 (3 mines from top) > 48527

right side 1 min 9 pool: (he does 1358 > 74269)


bottom left side 1 min 2 secs 9 pool on the old/shitty patches: (3457, 3 mines from top > 62981)
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LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1032 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-10-29 13:03:43
October 29 2022 13:03 GMT
#8
[image loading]

I haven't been gone THAT long... WTF is this!

The Bat Geyser?
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Anusree
Profile Joined August 2022
5 Posts
October 31 2022 04:08 GMT
#9
Optimization helps mining companies manage, track, and plan for their material movement with much more granularity and accuracy than simple production tracking systems can, ensuring their ability to deliver precise quantities and qualities.

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WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France2846 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-01 17:03:58
November 01 2022 16:16 GMT
#10
apologies for sidetracking the thread a little bit but in PvP where would you put an anti manner pylon (defensively) in a way that doesnt mess up your own mining too much? Would you recommend ever doing it? Are there way to actually boost mining with a pylon/building in a key spot?
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Aiur
Profile Joined November 2002
Sweden134 Posts
November 09 2022 22:27 GMT
#11
You can boost gas mining and you can boost mineral pathing so it doesnt side track but theres no one rule that will always work since mineral formations look different on different maps.
iopq
Profile Joined March 2009
United States601 Posts
November 16 2022 11:52 GMT
#12
On October 27 2022 04:24 TT1 wrote:
you can check this guys vods for Z, he has really fast pool timings, 1:10 secs for overpool (basically 1 min for 9p) and 1 min for 9p

left base L shaped mins 1:10 ovp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mDIk1PdyhQ
^looks like on left base L shaped he starts on 1369 (3 mines from top) > 48527

right side 1 min 9 pool: (he does 1358 > 74269)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a2KBJkyq2Q

bottom left side 1 min 2 secs 9 pool on the old/shitty patches: (3457, 3 mines from top > 62981)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0qIq_7I0c



excellent, I followed the order and I'm down to 1:04

now can someone explain all of the mineral boosting he's doing
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France2846 Posts
November 17 2022 01:59 GMT
#13
On November 16 2022 20:52 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2022 04:24 TT1 wrote:
you can check this guys vods for Z, he has really fast pool timings, 1:10 secs for overpool (basically 1 min for 9p) and 1 min for 9p

left base L shaped mins 1:10 ovp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mDIk1PdyhQ
^looks like on left base L shaped he starts on 1369 (3 mines from top) > 48527

right side 1 min 9 pool: (he does 1358 > 74269)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a2KBJkyq2Q

bottom left side 1 min 2 secs 9 pool on the old/shitty patches: (3457, 3 mines from top > 62981)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0qIq_7I0c



excellent, I followed the order and I'm down to 1:04

now can someone explain all of the mineral boosting he's doing


You may be able to gain a second by going SD before the game start and queueing the first drone while the screen is still dark as the hatch will be centered
Former WCG ref, WGTour.com and Fra-A admin. Current Clan ash admin, TDR NW Team NEU captain and BWCL Head Admin
iopq
Profile Joined March 2009
United States601 Posts
November 17 2022 11:26 GMT
#14
On November 17 2022 10:59 WGT-Baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2022 20:52 iopq wrote:
On October 27 2022 04:24 TT1 wrote:
you can check this guys vods for Z, he has really fast pool timings, 1:10 secs for overpool (basically 1 min for 9p) and 1 min for 9p

left base L shaped mins 1:10 ovp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mDIk1PdyhQ
^looks like on left base L shaped he starts on 1369 (3 mines from top) > 48527

right side 1 min 9 pool: (he does 1358 > 74269)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a2KBJkyq2Q

bottom left side 1 min 2 secs 9 pool on the old/shitty patches: (3457, 3 mines from top > 62981)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0qIq_7I0c



excellent, I followed the order and I'm down to 1:04

now can someone explain all of the mineral boosting he's doing


You may be able to gain a second by going SD before the game start and queueing the first drone while the screen is still dark as the hatch will be centered


if the drones are over the egg they will be pushed over the hatchery, that's why Zerg players usually send the drones before making the first egg!
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France2846 Posts
November 17 2022 17:34 GMT
#15
On November 17 2022 20:26 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2022 10:59 WGT-Baal wrote:
On November 16 2022 20:52 iopq wrote:
On October 27 2022 04:24 TT1 wrote:
you can check this guys vods for Z, he has really fast pool timings, 1:10 secs for overpool (basically 1 min for 9p) and 1 min for 9p

left base L shaped mins 1:10 ovp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mDIk1PdyhQ
^looks like on left base L shaped he starts on 1369 (3 mines from top) > 48527

right side 1 min 9 pool: (he does 1358 > 74269)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a2KBJkyq2Q

bottom left side 1 min 2 secs 9 pool on the old/shitty patches: (3457, 3 mines from top > 62981)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0qIq_7I0c



excellent, I followed the order and I'm down to 1:04

now can someone explain all of the mineral boosting he's doing


You may be able to gain a second by going SD before the game start and queueing the first drone while the screen is still dark as the hatch will be centered


if the drones are over the egg they will be pushed over the hatchery, that's why Zerg players usually send the drones before making the first egg!


I did not know that (I m P). But it does make sense.
Former WCG ref, WGTour.com and Fra-A admin. Current Clan ash admin, TDR NW Team NEU captain and BWCL Head Admin
iopq
Profile Joined March 2009
United States601 Posts
December 16 2022 05:04 GMT
#16
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtsKanwLnw

This is about what I was looking for, don't need to know Korean to understand
Freakling
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1517 Posts
December 26 2022 16:45 GMT
#17
On November 16 2022 20:52 iopq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2022 04:24 TT1 wrote:
you can check this guys vods for Z, he has really fast pool timings, 1:10 secs for overpool (basically 1 min for 9p) and 1 min for 9p

left base L shaped mins 1:10 ovp:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mDIk1PdyhQ
^looks like on left base L shaped he starts on 1369 (3 mines from top) > 48527

right side 1 min 9 pool: (he does 1358 > 74269)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a2KBJkyq2Q

bottom left side 1 min 2 secs 9 pool on the old/shitty patches: (3457, 3 mines from top > 62981)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0qIq_7I0c



excellent, I followed the order and I'm down to 1:04

now can someone explain all of the mineral boosting he's doing


Generally you should observe the following:

- Generally, watch out for workers doing a quick turnarounds (turning around without delay and, ideally, minimal loss of speed) upon delivering their resources to the resource depot. These are the fastest mining patches, which you should prioritize.
- Whenever possible, try to have workers return their cargo to the edge of the resource depot, instead of the side. On some patches this allows for the quickest turnarounds possible, with speed loss minimized as the worker is not forcefully decelerated as it bumps into resource depot. This can often be achieved by fine-tuning the mining position on the patch.
- All other things being equal, straight line/parallelogram-shaped mining paths are, on average, faster than diagonal paths. So straighten out as many workers as possible, by adjusting their mining positions.
- Special mention for the left/right-2-up position patches, which in most bases can only be straightened out by manually microing the worker in every cycle.
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