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Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
247 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-07 05:31:41
March 07 2021 05:29 GMT
#1
I wonder if anyone ever tested how far away you can hear noises of opposing players battling in the fog of war? A lot of times you are playing an FFA when you hear tanks firing outside of what you have vision of on the map. You can hear battles in the fog of war. Are some units noisier in the fog of war than others? Can you tell how far away the units are when you hear them? This might give you an advantage. Is it only dying units you hear? Do your own units, when they have range that exceeds their own vision range, have any relationship to what you can hear in the fog of war? Thank you.
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
March 10 2021 18:34 GMT
#2
Replay: https://ufile.io/gkopuxt7
Map: https://ufile.io/9g9ldnzv

Doesnt seems to be the case. Cant hear anything in FOW.
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Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
247 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-12 05:25:28
March 12 2021 05:25 GMT
#3
I think it is has to do with Sieged Siege Tanks having a range of 12 but vision of only 10. Remember Sieged Siege Tanks need a floating building that has vision of units to be able to kill enemy units slightly further away than they normally could.

In Broodwar,

Hearing range = Unit Range not just vision range.
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-12 09:27:24
March 12 2021 09:26 GMT
#4
I didnt test Siege Tank. Maybe i should.

Edit: Do you have a replay of this happening?
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Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
March 13 2021 08:03 GMT
#5
also you hear pylon/cannons often that prevent you from being killed by cannon rush ...
What if their vision range is further than there attack range? like all melee buildings ... Scann?
I mean you also can hear Dt right ... Stimm etc. how does that all relate?
Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia918 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-13 15:30:40
March 13 2021 15:29 GMT
#6
It is screen and a half or something like that, if I remember my tests correctly.
Your screen needs to be there to hear the sound; if it isn't you won't hear anything even if you have units nearby.
If your screen is at location that can hear the sound, but you do not have units there, you do not hear anything.

Think you don't need view to actually hear the sound, it goes a bit further than unit sight...I can be wrong, though; since I was testing on view of a replay rather than the actual game.
Optimate
Profile Joined August 2020
247 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-13 16:23:25
March 13 2021 16:18 GMT
#7
I tested it out.

Sieged Siege Tanks, even though they won't see any units, they can see unit death sprites at range 12 in the fog of war.

Sieged Siege Tanks, even though they won't see any units, they can see unit attack sprites, see unit death sprites, and hear unit attack sprites at range 11.

This is not only useful for FFA games but also 1v1. Here are some examples of why it is good in 1v1:
I think siege tank sieging and transports unloading like dropships, shuttles, overlords are unit sprites you could hear in theory with this. I have not had a chance to test that yet though.

On March 13 2021 17:03 Leonix wrote:
also you hear pylon/cannons often that prevent you from being killed by cannon rush ...
What if their vision range is further than there attack range? like all melee buildings ... Scann?
I mean you also can hear Dt right ... Stimm etc. how does that all relate?

Leonix are you pretty sure about this one? Buildings don't have any range so it shouldn't be them that cause this I take it.
Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
March 14 2021 08:20 GMT
#8
How can you be sure of anything really... I can just say that specially on fastess i have heart often when they build a pylon or cannons. I have also heart the dropsound. Eithe way it is diffcult to be 100 procent sure, since i have not played with sound for a long time. Would this question poped earlier i could have been sure.
Either way shouldnt this be tested in a real game? Instead of replay...
Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
March 14 2021 10:05 GMT
#9
Ok, it seems like
-Sound stay for a brief moment even when you leave the sound area, are where you can hear it.
- Vision range and hear range seems to have some connection -> hatched hatchery hears and sees more
- You can be like a screen away and still hear stuff from where the sound come
- Sound seems to be connected from where the sound comes from. You hear louder when you are nearer to the place it comes from, instead of the units/building that perceives the sound
- Tank and siege tank no difference
source:
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10126 Posts
March 14 2021 16:27 GMT
#10
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Xb411P7Aq

14:49

Boxer famously used the sound of SCVs mining from beyond his vision in order to determine that bottom left was indeed Oov's starting location.

People need to learn their history!!!
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Cryoc
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany909 Posts
March 14 2021 21:12 GMT
#11
What is this made up story about the Boxer game? He simply clicked the minerals to see, if it was mined. Even the commentators say that.

That has nothing to do with hearing sounds in the fog of war.
http://www.twitch.tv/cryoc
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10126 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-14 22:06:24
March 14 2021 22:04 GMT
#12
On March 15 2021 06:12 Cryoc wrote:
What is this made up story about the Boxer game? He simply clicked the minerals to see, if it was mined. Even the commentators say that.

That has nothing to do with hearing sounds in the fog of war.

Fr? Was pretty sure it was based on sound, I thought it was clarified in FP view*
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Leonix
Profile Joined June 2019
161 Posts
March 16 2021 10:06 GMT
#13

Jealous
Profile Blog PM Joined December 2011
8676 Posts
March 14 2021 17:27 CET #10
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Xb411P7Aq

14:49

Boxer famously used the sound of SCVs mining from beyond his vision in order to determine that bottom left was indeed Oov's starting location.

People need to learn their history!!!



Jealous
Profile Blog PM Joined December 2011
8676 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-14 23:06:24
March 14 2021 23:04 CET #12
On March 15 2021 06:12 Cryoc wrote:
What is this made up story about the Boxer game? He simply clicked the minerals to see, if it was mined. Even the commentators say that.

That has nothing to do with hearing sounds in the fog of war.

Fr? Was pretty sure it was based on sound, I thought it was clarified in FP view*



Lol
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
March 16 2021 20:05 GMT
#14
On March 15 2021 07:04 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2021 06:12 Cryoc wrote:
What is this made up story about the Boxer game? He simply clicked the minerals to see, if it was mined. Even the commentators say that.

That has nothing to do with hearing sounds in the fog of war.

Fr? Was pretty sure it was based on sound, I thought it was clarified in FP view*



This was very popular with overlord scouts on python, to see if the minerals have been mined or not.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-25 13:35:50
March 25 2021 13:33 GMT
#15
There's a famous TvZ all-in, I think on reverse LT.

I think it was Casy vs JulyZerg maybe? he faked FE by sending minerals to mine his natural, but actually went 2 rax all-in. The overlord just saw SCVs mining but didn't go deep enough to see if there was actually a CC there.
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Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6985 Posts
March 30 2021 13:58 GMT
#16
On March 25 2021 22:33 IntoTheWow wrote:
There's a famous TvZ all-in, I think on reverse LT.

I think it was Casy vs JulyZerg maybe? he faked FE by sending minerals to mine his natural, but actually went 2 rax all-in. The overlord just saw SCVs mining but didn't go deep enough to see if there was actually a CC there.


@ 4:30 ^^
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
April 01 2021 18:05 GMT
#17
Yeah, thats the one!
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LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1423 Posts
April 14 2021 08:41 GMT
#18
We'd better get back, 'cause it'll be dark soon, and they mostly come at night... mostly.
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