Some TvT help please

JoinTheRain

Bulgaria408 Posts

April 26 2020 08:15 GMT

So I have finally come to my senses. After all the years I played that dirty scumbag race of Protoss I decided to try Terran, inspired by some excellent tutorials from Flash and Firebathero. I mean, for TvP I do only 5 fact all-in push from FBH and for TvZ I do Flash Goliath build and that's about all the builds I do.
Yet I do not seem to find a BO for TvT. I am thinking of some things but I get messed up. Can someone point me to a decent TvT BO? It would be of great help.
You have to know in advance, I can't micro almost at all. I know what I have to do but I just can't execute it properly. On top of me playing a new race, my hands are rusty from not having played in years. So I need a build that is safe early and hits at a certain timing. Not some stupid vulture all-in in 5 minutes though. Something along the lines of Flash's TvZ Goliath which is timed to hit when plus 1 defense if done. The same goes for the TvP build - I make tanks then I switch into vultures and I push around x supply. Is there such a thing for TvT?

Highgamer

1405 Posts

April 26 2020 11:06 GMT

Welcome to the good race. + Show Spoiler +

Protoss is the bad, Zerg is the ugly.
Actually they're both ugly.

A problem with your request - you want to do a later timing push - is that that is not always possible in TvT.
TvT is known for long, stand-off-ish games because both sides have siege-tanks. If your opponent plays defensively and has already drawn siege-lines, then it is pure suicide to execute a timing-attack into those.
If you want a timing-attack then you could do something like go for early cheese, for a few drop-ships and drop his/her main, or said mass-vulture timing (which you don't want to do). Or you can just go for a 2base 5/6 fact tank/vulture attack and test your luck after scanning for a weak-spot (might be what you're looking for, I've been rolled by these pushes because I drew my siege-lines too thin but oftentimes your push will come to a halt just outside of oppo's natural).
But if you want to refrain from cheese and really want to learn the matchup then your goal should be to become a god-macro-turtle who can secure one side of the map and defend until all your bases are mined out. Meanwhile build 10 starports and go mass BC in the end.

A good build to start off with is this one 1 Fact FE (vs. Terran). You'll have to learn to deal with different cheese-builds obviously, but you should be used to that from TvP.
In addition to what is explained there, make sure that, if you see that your opponent is going mass-vulture, wall off your natural and build a bunker for your marines as part of the wall.
If oppo comes at you with an early siege-tank then build a forward bunker before he/she arrives to buy time, and pull some SCVs to break out of the contain before oppo has more than 2 siege-tanks.

kogeT

Poland2037 Posts

April 27 2020 07:20 GMT

On April 26 2020 17:15 JoinTheRain wrote:
So I have finally come to my senses. After all the years I played that dirty scumbag race of Protoss I decided to try Terran, inspired by some excellent tutorials from Flash and Firebathero. I mean, for TvP I do only 5 fact all-in push from FBH and for TvZ I do Flash Goliath build and that's about all the builds I do.
Yet I do not seem to find a BO for TvT. I am thinking of some things but I get messed up. Can someone point me to a decent TvT BO? It would be of great help.
You have to know in advance, I can't micro almost at all. I know what I have to do but I just can't execute it properly. On top of me playing a new race, my hands are rusty from not having played in years. So I need a build that is safe early and hits at a certain timing. Not some stupid vulture all-in in 5 minutes though. Something along the lines of Flash's TvZ Goliath which is timed to hit when plus 1 defense if done. The same goes for the TvP build - I make tanks then I switch into vultures and I push around x supply. Is there such a thing for TvT?

Play 2 fact where you base your composition based on what you scout:

- see fast natural -> 2 fact vulture (no addon needed even)
- no natural / seen 3 on gas etc. -> 2 fact goliath
- bunker or seen 2 fact -> 2 fact tank or 1 fact tank 1 fact vult with speed/mines

Each above you can start with like 1 vulture.

JoinTheRain

Bulgaria408 Posts

April 27 2020 09:01 GMT

Thank you both for your input. It is most helpful. I will try to follow the guidelines and build some semblance of a style.
As it is, I am having tons of fun playing T. Granted, I play on super low levels, I reach around 1500 mmr in EU but still I am enjoying it.

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