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i love watch the korea ASL tournaments and i start play the starcraft
i do apm 70 to 90 maximim but im lose all game in battlenet games 0 win 15 lose
after i make game title "1v1 only noob apm 70-90" but every players lie for me they all have the 120+ apm and say bad word insulting i sucks AND i lag..... i know....now stats for me is 1 win 34 lose... 1 win is terran disconection so i no do thing for win...
i want know how i am win game more then 1 win...
not fun for just win 1 and lose 50...i feell like i want quit game...
sorry bad english but please help give advice....
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Your APM seems to be very low, did you win vanilla and expansion campaigns? Did you play 1vs2, vs 3 and vs 4 AI? If not, start with those then you can have shot on winning vs. real players. Nowadays player base shrunk, everyone knows basics and many build orders. As I wrote start with above if you didn't yet and try to learn basics and 1-2 basic build orders. Rinse and repeat afterwards. I'm sure you can find ton of materials about BO if you visit liquipedia. You use hotkeys always.
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For a start, wouldn't it be good to get rid of the language barrier?
There should be quite a few Peruvians (or spanish-speakers) playing BW (if they're not all still on Iccup).
Maybe you can just create a game with a game-name like "peruvian wants to learn BW/help me" (in spanish) and talk to the people that join?
(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...)
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Russian Federation181 Posts
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On March 17 2020 21:41 outscar wrote:
Your APM seems to be very low, did you win vanilla and expansion campaigns? Did you play 1vs2, vs 3 and vs 4 AI? If not, start with those then you can have shot on winning vs. real players. Nowadays player base shrunk, everyone knows basics and many build orders. As I wrote start with above if you didn't yet and try to learn basics and 1-2 basic build orders. Rinse and repeat afterwards. I'm sure you can find ton of materials about BO if you visit liquipedia. You use hotkeys always.
thank u
i listen so much players say apm is not important
yes i use the canon expand x zerg....use 2gates robotic reaver x terran + prottoss
i know build but i noob
i play some1 in battlenet he have 60apm and he stats is like 100+ win 20 lose....he have more lower apms then i and why he win stat so more good???????
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On March 18 2020 00:14 Highgamer wrote:
For a start, wouldn't it be good to get rid of the language barrier?
There should be quite a few Peruvians (or spanish-speakers) playing BW (if they're not all still on Iccup).
Maybe you can just create a game with a game-name like "peruvian wants to learn BW/help me" (in spanish) and talk to the people that join?
(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...)
haha yes i wish Fenix is gives me he skill
starcraft not nice to begginner noob like i yes?
i say "no player more then 90apm please" they say "yes i 80apm gogo"
i lose i see they lie and 200+apm and say "haha noob suck so much"
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On March 18 2020 02:44 elmatadorputo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 00:14 Highgamer wrote:
For a start, wouldn't it be good to get rid of the language barrier?
There should be quite a few Peruvians (or spanish-speakers) playing BW (if they're not all still on Iccup).
Maybe you can just create a game with a game-name like "peruvian wants to learn BW/help me" (in spanish) and talk to the people that join?
(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...) haha yes i wish Fenix is gives me he skill starcraft not nice to begginner noob like i yes? i say "no player more then 90apm please" they say "yes i 80apm gogo" i lose i see they lie and 200+apm and say "haha noob suck so much"
Make a friend from peru to play with, he should play a bit better than you, but not too much. Talk about strategy after game and mistakes, watch replay. Try 1 bo for each matchup and play until you are very good with it.
Apm develops over time if you train regulary, you will be faster.
If you need a victory feel, look for practice partners on discord (many good links above by other people already)
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On March 18 2020 03:30 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 02:44 elmatadorputo wrote:On March 18 2020 00:14 Highgamer wrote:
For a start, wouldn't it be good to get rid of the language barrier?
There should be quite a few Peruvians (or spanish-speakers) playing BW (if they're not all still on Iccup).
Maybe you can just create a game with a game-name like "peruvian wants to learn BW/help me" (in spanish) and talk to the people that join?
(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...) haha yes i wish Fenix is gives me he skill starcraft not nice to begginner noob like i yes? i say "no player more then 90apm please" they say "yes i 80apm gogo" i lose i see they lie and 200+apm and say "haha noob suck so much" Make a friend from peru to play with, he should play a bit better than you, but not too much. Talk about strategy after game and mistakes, watch replay. Try 1 bo for each matchup and play until you are very good with it. Apm develops over time if you train regulary, you will be faster. If you need a victory feel, look for practice partners on discord (many good links above by other people already)
hi
how much apms u do in beggining and how much apms now?
i can higher apms like 200+ in 3 month this is possible things?
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On March 18 2020 00:14 Highgamer wrote:
(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...)
I'm curious about this, I've heard a few things about Peruvian players and their exploits... Is BW really big in Peru and why? I mean it just seems like a really random country for BW to be popular in (no offense).
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On March 18 2020 08:31 ciel123 wrote:
it just seems like a really random country for BW to be popular in
More random than Korea? I'm not surprised by its popularity anywhere after the past 20 years.
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On March 18 2020 08:53 diskovision wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 08:31 ciel123 wrote:
it just seems like a really random country for BW to be popular in More random than Korea? I'm not surprised by its popularity anywhere after the past 20 years.
I guess it would seem random at first, but we've all heard the stories about how BW got popular in Korea, with PC cafes popping up all over the place and the way gaming culture works/worked in Korea, BW happened "in the right place at the right time".
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On March 18 2020 07:14 elmatadorputo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2020 03:30 Cele wrote:On March 18 2020 02:44 elmatadorputo wrote:On March 18 2020 00:14 Highgamer wrote:
For a start, wouldn't it be good to get rid of the language barrier?
There should be quite a few Peruvians (or spanish-speakers) playing BW (if they're not all still on Iccup).
Maybe you can just create a game with a game-name like "peruvian wants to learn BW/help me" (in spanish) and talk to the people that join?
(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...) haha yes i wish Fenix is gives me he skill starcraft not nice to begginner noob like i yes? i say "no player more then 90apm please" they say "yes i 80apm gogo" i lose i see they lie and 200+apm and say "haha noob suck so much" Make a friend from peru to play with, he should play a bit better than you, but not too much. Talk about strategy after game and mistakes, watch replay. Try 1 bo for each matchup and play until you are very good with it. Apm develops over time if you train regulary, you will be faster. If you need a victory feel, look for practice partners on discord (many good links above by other people already) hi how much apms u do in beggining and how much apms now? i can higher apms like 200+ in 3 month this is possible things?
Ive been watching and playing starcraft for years but my apm never went up. Bakaryu is one of the top zergs outside korea yet his apm also never went up but he is still really good. Some protoss pros like stork and horang2 also have low apm but still play really well. I think its all about ur gamesense in the end
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Hi noob prottoss player want help very bad. I think you can start by play many game. Try to get fast and faster. Good start is with Computer in custom game. You will be win no time.
To increase APM you must involve many game. Practice many time. At least 90 minute a day. Good luck friend good health.
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Don't care so much about APM (quantity of clicks per minute, no matter what kind of clicks), care about useful clicks and Mechanics.
Everyone can have high APM by spamming useless buttons or making lots of imprecise clicks, but only useful clicks and button-presses matter (eAPM = effective actions per minute, without redundant clicks).
That's why a 60 APM player who has good APM can easily outplay a 120 APM player who has trash APM.
Good game knowledge and concentration while playing make your actions more useful and precise. And good mechanics allow you to make a lot of good, useful clicks in less time (= increase your efficiency).
So for a start, if you want good APM, then your clicks/actions should be precise and you should practice your mechanics. If you build up more and more knowledge about the game on that foundation, your (e)APM will increase quickly.
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Also if you pick one race it helps. If you watch pros like Zero has 370 apm with zerg, but 300 apm with terran or protoss, so with your main race u can expect more apm and to play better. Therefore if you focus on playing only one race u generally build up that "main race apm" and ur mind will focus in especially welll when playing that race. Since you already picked protoss u dont need too much help with that but still good to keep in mind.
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On March 17 2020 18:49 elmatadorputo wrote:
i love watch the korea ASL tournaments and i start play the starcraft
i do apm 70 to 90 maximim but im lose all game in battlenet games 0 win 15 lose
after i make game title "1v1 only noob apm 70-90" but every players lie for me they all have the 120+ apm and say bad word insulting i sucks AND i lag..... i know....now stats for me is 1 win 34 lose... 1 win is terran disconection so i no do thing for win...
i want know how i am win game more then 1 win...
not fun for just win 1 and lose 50...i feell like i want quit game...
sorry bad english but please help give advice....
1) First thing to do as a very new player is play a little with all races to know how each race works and be able to "read" the timings or when they do a mistake.
I am telling you this because I am mainly a Z only player to C rank, after playing around 20 games as Protoss lately, I understood Protoss better and finally hit B rank for the first time so it means I improved.
2) After you play around with all races pick one that you like and play only with that. I would suggest you play Protoss which is the easiest race to start with and also it doesnt require alot of APM to be really good at high level. You can play 150APM Protoss and beat 250-350 APM zergs.
3) Practise and realize what u did wrong. Watch replays and question what went wrong. Usually newer players tend to not make workers. So I would suggest you make workers all the time at start! while also making some units.
Also dont forget that you need to start expanding and build more units/stuff. This is called macro, you need to have good macro.
4) Make sure you do good scouting so you know whats coming, good scouting is like having a maphack so the better scout you do the better you know what the opponent is trying to do to you so you can prepare accordingly.
5) Try and play as much games as you want. Even if you lose remember point 3. Dont get frustrated.
6) Learn timings and build orders. Also there are plenty of replays you can watch and VODs that you can learn from.
Hope this helps a bit on your journey to this amazing game. I would tell you to play some games together but since you are from Peru , we will have a lot of lag and I do not want to play with alot of lag, its unplayable.
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Don't listen to these guys talking about APM
What good is APM if you don't even know what to do?
You have to learn the game first, then work on getting faster after.
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On March 19 2020 05:05 MisterBoba wrote:
Hi noob prottoss player want help very bad. I think you can start by play many game. Try to get fast and faster. Good start is with Computer in custom game. You will be win no time.
To increase APM you must involve many game. Practice many time. At least 90 minute a day. Good luck friend good health.
this are best advice on thread... sorry for you loses, but if you lose, you learn the game okay. also 70 apm too low, you need to use ctrl key and number to make hotkeys then make probe, move warriors, make probe mine crystals, make unit from gate, move warriors, make probe, etc etc. you must do this very fast but starcraft is very hard game, please keep practice please!!! good luck and have fun, i hope you win!!
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If you're a beginner, I'd suggest to understand each match up first.
Once you understand which unit beats what and when to fight or when to retreat you'll have some basic game sense.
Then you move on to learning build orders that you can practice against the computer. You just memorize the builds by practicing making each thing at the precise time for the build. In real life it won't always go the same way, but by having a structure, you can change later and understand when you can do certain things, timing windows,etc.
I find that practicing against computer even though I am B rank on ladder is still helpful because I don't have to stress about playing on tilt or getting mad when I want to sleep after.
It helps me focus on ONE thing at a time to IMPROVE. If you play ladder, you'll run into all sorts of match ups and stupid rush/cheese strategies and you'll make more and more mistakes you'll have to keep relearning and repeating, but if you focus on ONE thing at a time, you learn faster.
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On March 20 2020 19:21 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2020 05:05 MisterBoba wrote:
Hi noob prottoss player want help very bad. I think you can start by play many game. Try to get fast and faster. Good start is with Computer in custom game. You will be win no time.
To increase APM you must involve many game. Practice many time. At least 90 minute a day. Good luck friend good health. this are best advice on thread... sorry for you loses, but if you lose, you learn the game okay. also 70 apm too low, you need to use ctrl key and number to make hotkeys then make probe, move warriors, make probe mine crystals, make unit from gate, move warriors, make probe, etc etc. you must do this very fast but starcraft is very hard game, please keep practice please!!! good luck and have fun, i hope you win!!
 
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I play against a 120 APM Protoss in practice, he was S rank one season on Korea
Who cares about APM when you just have more stuff...
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Simply put, if you understand what to do, you'll worry less about APM. It'll naturally increase as you get more efficient and your brain knows what to do. I artificially increased my APM with a lot of clicking/spamming, and I think that left my decision making and game sense worse because I just find things to do that may not always be the most optimal out of habit.
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Yes as razorsuke and moopower mentioned, you need to learn what to do before doing things fast, that comes with watching tutorials and beginner guides. Once you have a basic game plan for each match up you can worry about speeding up what you’re doing
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konadora
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APM isnt the stats you should really be chasing after
Just get to know the game, the units, what unit and build counters what, and most importantly, have fun. Don't lose fun trying to chase an arbitrary number, because that isn't what necessarily makes good players good. Some pro players have historically low APM and yet they still played pretty damn good, like Stork, Fantasy (to some extent) or even Savior.
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
Also I suggest maybe starting out playing some games versus computer, it'll help you build your basics 
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Sad people are trashing you when you play TT
Remember, this game is 20 years old, nowadays there are almost nobody playing that do not understand the fundamental basics. I think also (sadly) if you make games with the headline "only noob so and so apm etc." you will not get those players that you hope for (where you can learn something from each game). This is because there simply is too many
that are not noobs (nobody is noobs in sc, not even noobs^^). And many of them that win then trash talk you because they think they are sooo much better (but in reality they are maybe poor D/C rank players TT)
My advice, find somebody who will actually help you and that has decent skills (maybe another Peruvian?). The best way is to get advice as you play the game, and a more experienced player could help you with that. You need a mentor of sorts. Replays will help, playing vs computer will help, but if you do not understand how to use replays or even "how to play" (like what is hotkeys, basic build orders, the concepts of micro macro etc.) then it will do you no good trying on your own. It will go very slow at best. So try finding someone out there who are MANNER and wants to play some games with you :-)
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On March 31 2020 17:57 konadora wrote:
APM isnt the stats you should really be chasing after
Just get to know the game, the units, what unit and build counters what, and most importantly, have fun. Don't lose fun trying to chase an arbitrary number, because that isn't what necessarily makes good players good. Some pro players have historically low APM and yet they still played pretty damn good, like Stork, Fantasy (to some extent) or even Savior.
Agree on the overall point but those three pro players aren't really the best examples. They are only "slow" relative to other pros yet still probably have at least 280+ APM with the majority of it being 'effective' APM combined with their reputation of being innovators displaying thorough strategic understanding of the game and knowledge of effective builds. Their skill FLOOR is waaaaay beyond anything an average player could possibly imagine to reach.
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Don't worry too much about APM. It will come naturally as you learn to play. You can beat players with higher APM, especially if you play protoss!
Learn a few basic build orders and focus on not getting supply blocked (always have a pylon being made so you can build more units.)
Also, I'd assume it's true nowadays that there aren't really that many "noobs" around so you'll be getting beat a lot as you learn. Just the way it is in a game with not many new players.
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Any recommendations for a free video-based guide that focuses on the fundamentals apart from Day9TV's "Let's Learn StarCraft" series that is on YouTube that he did a couple of years ago? Maybe there's a list of links to video guides like this somewhere? I also liked Day[9]'s old Brood War daily videos (now on YouTube), e.g. "Day[9] Daily #252 - Secrets of Hotkeys, APM and Mouse Movement" that I found very instructive. This particular info seems to be covered mostly in #9 and #3 of his "Let's Learn StarCraft" series.
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I also just found liquipedia.net which contains a couple of podcasts by Day[9] about mechanics, with transcripts.
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