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elmatadorputo
Profile Joined March 2020
Peru4 Posts
March 17 2020 09:49 GMT
#1
i love watch the korea ASL tournaments and i start play the starcraft

i do apm 70 to 90 maximim but im lose all game in battlenet games 0 win 15 lose

after i make game title "1v1 only noob apm 70-90" but every players lie for me they all have the 120+ apm and say bad word insulting i sucks AND i lag..... i know....now stats for me is 1 win 34 lose... 1 win is terran disconection so i no do thing for win...

i want know how i am win game more then 1 win...

not fun for just win 1 and lose 50...i feell like i want quit game...

sorry bad english but please help give advice....
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-17 12:42:05
March 17 2020 12:41 GMT
#2
Your APM seems to be very low, did you win vanilla and expansion campaigns? Did you play 1vs2, vs 3 and vs 4 AI? If not, start with those then you can have shot on winning vs. real players. Nowadays player base shrunk, everyone knows basics and many build orders. As I wrote start with above if you didn't yet and try to learn basics and 1-2 basic build orders. Rinse and repeat afterwards. I'm sure you can find ton of materials about BO if you visit liquipedia. You use hotkeys always.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-17 15:14:55
March 17 2020 15:14 GMT
#3
For a start, wouldn't it be good to get rid of the language barrier?

There should be quite a few Peruvians (or spanish-speakers) playing BW (if they're not all still on Iccup).

Maybe you can just create a game with a game-name like "peruvian wants to learn BW/help me" (in spanish) and talk to the people that join?

(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...)
Dedraterllaerau
Profile Joined May 2019
113 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-17 16:38:59
March 17 2020 16:38 GMT
#4
ash_dreamer_1
Profile Joined February 2020
Russian Federation181 Posts
March 17 2020 17:31 GMT
#5
check this good learning base https://www.youtube.com/user/LMaster1/videos
ash_dreamer_1
Profile Joined February 2020
Russian Federation181 Posts
March 17 2020 17:36 GMT
#6
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/555542-cpl-season-5-sign-ups
and join CPL discord channel
elmatadorputo
Profile Joined March 2020
Peru4 Posts
March 17 2020 17:38 GMT
#7
On March 17 2020 21:41 outscar wrote:
Your APM seems to be very low, did you win vanilla and expansion campaigns? Did you play 1vs2, vs 3 and vs 4 AI? If not, start with those then you can have shot on winning vs. real players. Nowadays player base shrunk, everyone knows basics and many build orders. As I wrote start with above if you didn't yet and try to learn basics and 1-2 basic build orders. Rinse and repeat afterwards. I'm sure you can find ton of materials about BO if you visit liquipedia. You use hotkeys always.

thank u
i listen so much players say apm is not important
yes i use the canon expand x zerg....use 2gates robotic reaver x terran + prottoss
i know build but i noob
i play some1 in battlenet he have 60apm and he stats is like 100+ win 20 lose....he have more lower apms then i and why he win stat so more good???????
elmatadorputo
Profile Joined March 2020
Peru4 Posts
March 17 2020 17:44 GMT
#8
On March 18 2020 00:14 Highgamer wrote:
For a start, wouldn't it be good to get rid of the language barrier?

There should be quite a few Peruvians (or spanish-speakers) playing BW (if they're not all still on Iccup).

Maybe you can just create a game with a game-name like "peruvian wants to learn BW/help me" (in spanish) and talk to the people that join?

(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...)


haha yes i wish Fenix is gives me he skill
starcraft not nice to begginner noob like i yes?
i say "no player more then 90apm please" they say "yes i 80apm gogo"
i lose i see they lie and 200+apm and say "haha noob suck so much"
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
March 17 2020 18:30 GMT
#9
On March 18 2020 02:44 elmatadorputo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2020 00:14 Highgamer wrote:
For a start, wouldn't it be good to get rid of the language barrier?

There should be quite a few Peruvians (or spanish-speakers) playing BW (if they're not all still on Iccup).

Maybe you can just create a game with a game-name like "peruvian wants to learn BW/help me" (in spanish) and talk to the people that join?

(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...)


haha yes i wish Fenix is gives me he skill
starcraft not nice to begginner noob like i yes?
i say "no player more then 90apm please" they say "yes i 80apm gogo"
i lose i see they lie and 200+apm and say "haha noob suck so much"


Make a friend from peru to play with, he should play a bit better than you, but not too much. Talk about strategy after game and mistakes, watch replay. Try 1 bo for each matchup and play until you are very good with it.

Apm develops over time if you train regulary, you will be faster.

If you need a victory feel, look for practice partners on discord (many good links above by other people already)
Broodwar for life!
elmatadorputo
Profile Joined March 2020
Peru4 Posts
March 17 2020 22:14 GMT
#10
On March 18 2020 03:30 Cele wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2020 02:44 elmatadorputo wrote:
On March 18 2020 00:14 Highgamer wrote:
For a start, wouldn't it be good to get rid of the language barrier?

There should be quite a few Peruvians (or spanish-speakers) playing BW (if they're not all still on Iccup).

Maybe you can just create a game with a game-name like "peruvian wants to learn BW/help me" (in spanish) and talk to the people that join?

(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...)


haha yes i wish Fenix is gives me he skill
starcraft not nice to begginner noob like i yes?
i say "no player more then 90apm please" they say "yes i 80apm gogo"
i lose i see they lie and 200+apm and say "haha noob suck so much"


Make a friend from peru to play with, he should play a bit better than you, but not too much. Talk about strategy after game and mistakes, watch replay. Try 1 bo for each matchup and play until you are very good with it.

Apm develops over time if you train regulary, you will be faster.

If you need a victory feel, look for practice partners on discord (many good links above by other people already)


hi
how much apms u do in beggining and how much apms now?
i can higher apms like 200+ in 3 month this is possible things?
ciel123
Profile Joined March 2014
12 Posts
March 17 2020 23:31 GMT
#11
On March 18 2020 00:14 Highgamer wrote:
(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...)


I'm curious about this, I've heard a few things about Peruvian players and their exploits... Is BW really big in Peru and why? I mean it just seems like a really random country for BW to be popular in (no offense).
diskovision
Profile Joined January 2019
United States27 Posts
March 17 2020 23:53 GMT
#12
On March 18 2020 08:31 ciel123 wrote:
it just seems like a really random country for BW to be popular in


More random than Korea? I'm not surprised by its popularity anywhere after the past 20 years.
ciel123
Profile Joined March 2014
12 Posts
March 18 2020 07:46 GMT
#13
On March 18 2020 08:53 diskovision wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2020 08:31 ciel123 wrote:
it just seems like a really random country for BW to be popular in


More random than Korea? I'm not surprised by its popularity anywhere after the past 20 years.


I guess it would seem random at first, but we've all heard the stories about how BW got popular in Korea, with PC cafes popping up all over the place and the way gaming culture works/worked in Korea, BW happened "in the right place at the right time".
att
Profile Joined March 2020
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-18 11:26:53
March 18 2020 11:26 GMT
#14
On March 18 2020 07:14 elmatadorputo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2020 03:30 Cele wrote:
On March 18 2020 02:44 elmatadorputo wrote:
On March 18 2020 00:14 Highgamer wrote:
For a start, wouldn't it be good to get rid of the language barrier?

There should be quite a few Peruvians (or spanish-speakers) playing BW (if they're not all still on Iccup).

Maybe you can just create a game with a game-name like "peruvian wants to learn BW/help me" (in spanish) and talk to the people that join?

(Not sure if this is a good advice actually... those cheesy Peruvians... either they do bad things to you or you'll become one of them...)


haha yes i wish Fenix is gives me he skill
starcraft not nice to begginner noob like i yes?
i say "no player more then 90apm please" they say "yes i 80apm gogo"
i lose i see they lie and 200+apm and say "haha noob suck so much"


Make a friend from peru to play with, he should play a bit better than you, but not too much. Talk about strategy after game and mistakes, watch replay. Try 1 bo for each matchup and play until you are very good with it.

Apm develops over time if you train regulary, you will be faster.

If you need a victory feel, look for practice partners on discord (many good links above by other people already)


hi
how much apms u do in beggining and how much apms now?
i can higher apms like 200+ in 3 month this is possible things?

Ive been watching and playing starcraft for years but my apm never went up. Bakaryu is one of the top zergs outside korea yet his apm also never went up but he is still really good. Some protoss pros like stork and horang2 also have low apm but still play really well. I think its all about ur gamesense in the end
MisterBoba
Profile Joined January 2020
Russian Federation121 Posts
March 18 2020 20:05 GMT
#15
Hi noob prottoss player want help very bad. I think you can start by play many game. Try to get fast and faster. Good start is with Computer in custom game. You will be win no time.

To increase APM you must involve many game. Practice many time. At least 90 minute a day. Good luck friend good health.
If enjoyed way you spend time, then it was not waste time )
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-19 12:37:04
March 19 2020 11:51 GMT
#16
Don't care so much about APM (quantity of clicks per minute, no matter what kind of clicks), care about useful clicks and Mechanics.

Everyone can have high APM by spamming useless buttons or making lots of imprecise clicks, but only useful clicks and button-presses matter (eAPM = effective actions per minute, without redundant clicks).

That's why a 60 APM player who has good APM can easily outplay a 120 APM player who has trash APM.

Good game knowledge and concentration while playing make your actions more useful and precise. And good mechanics allow you to make a lot of good, useful clicks in less time (= increase your efficiency).

So for a start, if you want good APM, then your clicks/actions should be precise and you should practice your mechanics. If you build up more and more knowledge about the game on that foundation, your (e)APM will increase quickly.
att
Profile Joined March 2020
128 Posts
March 19 2020 12:26 GMT
#17
Also if you pick one race it helps. If you watch pros like Zero has 370 apm with zerg, but 300 apm with terran or protoss, so with your main race u can expect more apm and to play better. Therefore if you focus on playing only one race u generally build up that "main race apm" and ur mind will focus in especially welll when playing that race. Since you already picked protoss u dont need too much help with that but still good to keep in mind.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-19 12:32:52
March 19 2020 12:32 GMT
#18
nuke me
ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2294 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-19 15:26:57
March 19 2020 15:25 GMT
#19
On March 17 2020 18:49 elmatadorputo wrote:
i love watch the korea ASL tournaments and i start play the starcraft

i do apm 70 to 90 maximim but im lose all game in battlenet games 0 win 15 lose

after i make game title "1v1 only noob apm 70-90" but every players lie for me they all have the 120+ apm and say bad word insulting i sucks AND i lag..... i know....now stats for me is 1 win 34 lose... 1 win is terran disconection so i no do thing for win...

i want know how i am win game more then 1 win...

not fun for just win 1 and lose 50...i feell like i want quit game...

sorry bad english but please help give advice....



1) First thing to do as a very new player is play a little with all races to know how each race works and be able to "read" the timings or when they do a mistake.

I am telling you this because I am mainly a Z only player to C rank, after playing around 20 games as Protoss lately, I understood Protoss better and finally hit B rank for the first time so it means I improved.

2) After you play around with all races pick one that you like and play only with that. I would suggest you play Protoss which is the easiest race to start with and also it doesnt require alot of APM to be really good at high level. You can play 150APM Protoss and beat 250-350 APM zergs.

3) Practise and realize what u did wrong. Watch replays and question what went wrong. Usually newer players tend to not make workers. So I would suggest you make workers all the time at start! while also making some units.
Also dont forget that you need to start expanding and build more units/stuff. This is called macro, you need to have good macro.

4) Make sure you do good scouting so you know whats coming, good scouting is like having a maphack so the better scout you do the better you know what the opponent is trying to do to you so you can prepare accordingly.

5) Try and play as much games as you want. Even if you lose remember point 3. Dont get frustrated.

6) Learn timings and build orders. Also there are plenty of replays you can watch and VODs that you can learn from.

Hope this helps a bit on your journey to this amazing game. I would tell you to play some games together but since you are from Peru , we will have a lot of lag and I do not want to play with alot of lag, its unplayable.
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
March 19 2020 17:29 GMT
#20
Don't listen to these guys talking about APM

What good is APM if you don't even know what to do?

You have to learn the game first, then work on getting faster after.
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