On August 21 2019 19:49 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Incredible the amount of post saying about few months.the only you need to do is skip stargate.go citadel 4-5 gates and never stop making zealots.GG

Well, you have to be sure it's coming though. If zerg doesn't skimp on units and goes "quick" lair instead, 4-5 gates is suicide.

AttackZerg

United States7584 Posts

August 21 2019 15:42 GMT

#42

On August 21 2019 21:38 Miragee wrote:

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Well, you have to be sure it's coming though. If zerg doesn't skimp on units and goes "quick" lair instead, 4-5 gates is suicide.

That is not true.

4-5 gate isnt even an auto lose against mutas.

Badfan92

5 Posts

August 22 2019 11:40 GMT

#43

On August 19 2019 02:07 ggsimida wrote:

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yup bisu just slaughtered zero with this :D

Here's a link to the game if anyone else's curious:

fefil

92 Posts

August 22 2019 17:05 GMT

#44

This does not seem to be anything “new”.

Halt corsair production after you make 1,
Sit it at his natural or main and see what pops out of his eggs.

Lately I have had success going 9 gate and then making a cyber core at my nat to wall in. I make the forge in my main, saw Bisu do this too. That way he cant snipe your +1 upgrade which is what a lot of the strength comes from in this build

From there, its on the Protoss to do heavy 2 base aggression. Zerg is going for a fourth expo but this expo will be useless if he cant drone it up. So its about applying pressure to prevent that while taking your own bases. Lots of different ways to do this, we saw on Bisutube that reavers worked really well. On another VOD, he skipped stargate completely and just went for a baboon style build off 1 gas, instant citadel for zealot legs. Or you can just pressure once you get storm.

Only way for Z to defend against any of this pressure is to get simcity or lurkers or both. From there its just a standard game.

zaMNal

Mongolia385 Posts

August 23 2019 04:46 GMT

#45

Anyone knows exactly what the "4" means in 9734?

Bakuryu

Germany1065 Posts

August 23 2019 05:14 GMT

#46

On August 23 2019 13:46 zaMNal wrote:
Anyone knows exactly what the "4" means in 9734?

placing the 4th hatch at a 4th base

prosatan

Romania9018 Posts

August 23 2019 08:05 GMT

#47

AMAZING 50 MIN+ GAME BETWEEN STORK AND LARVA !

Queens , Dark archon, guardians and many more !

Also, a nice counter to 973-4 build , where you skip stargate and go for citadel and 3 gates, placed in your nat

yubo56

690 Posts

August 23 2019 17:54 GMT

#48

On August 23 2019 17:05 prosatan wrote:
AMAZING 50 MIN+ GAME BETWEEN STORK AND LARVA !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIFmXVPyOqk

Queens , Dark archon, guardians and many more !

Also, a nice counter to 973-4 build , where you skip stargate and go for citadel and 3 gates, placed in your nat

3 extra gates for a total of four right, if I saw correctly? I haven't been following very carefully, but it seems like Larva started droning pretty early since the forge didn't even die? Or were his gates just that early

prosatan

Romania9018 Posts

August 24 2019 08:02 GMT

#49

Yes yubo56, correct ! in total, 4 early gates

BigBalls

United States5354 Posts

August 27 2019 22:11 GMT

#50

I don't think this build is going to be an issue at the highest levels because the best players have the multitasking ability to keep their scouting probe alive and also to pressure with gateway expo builds while keeping themselves safe at home. The problem will be at the <2000 MMR level, where it will be easy for zergs to either go 9734 and win outright, fake 9734 into lair tech, fake lair tech into 9734, or kill the scouting probe early enough to just make the protoss guess at what's happening.

At the pro level, there are a number of options Protoss and mapmakers have to keep it balanced. If the fakeouts prove to lead to a zerg advantage (as I don't think the build itself breaks Protoss, but having it as an option among other builds merely strengthens Zerg overall due to information hiding), Protoss could always turn it into a rock-paper-scissors at worst, but can always rely on the mapmakers to do things that slightly increase Protoss win %, like for instance giving 10 mineral patches instead of 9, creating semi-island maps, giving Protoss an expansion behind their main so they can protect a ramp to early expand, or giving multiple secret entrances to bases via worker tricks.

Things like this make Starcraft more fun, and even if it makes playing my own race harder I welcome all new discoveries with open arms.

Akio

Finland1838 Posts

October 02 2019 06:42 GMT

#51

Does a written out version of this build exist with all the specific things to keep in mind, timings etc.? Looks like it hasn't been added to Liquipedia. Not the most necessary thing since Zero's tutorial videos exist but could be a nice add to the wiki

JieXian

Malaysia4677 Posts

October 02 2019 17:57 GMT

#52

On August 22 2019 20:40 Badfan92 wrote:

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Here's a link to the game if anyone else's curious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDLvQin64nY#t=4m

Damn that was dirty. Thank you.

MeSaber

Sweden1235 Posts

October 04 2019 06:12 GMT

#53

973 refers to amount of drones.. Then 4 refers to a 4th exp? Logic??

I would prefer to call it 973 instead as thats all that is required to produce said hydras.

Turbovolver

Australia2435 Posts

October 06 2019 10:32 GMT

#54

On October 04 2019 15:12 MeSaber wrote:
973 refers to amount of drones.. Then 4 refers to a 4th exp? Logic??

I would prefer to call it 973 instead as thats all that is required to produce said hydras.

973 is the hydra "all-in", the 4 distinguishes going into the 4th behind the threat of a "real" 973.