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lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-28 07:26:23
May 28 2007 07:09 GMT
#101
On May 28 2007 05:56 fS-TranCeR wrote:
Im c6 and I know im not c4 like lastshadow, but can i try to make toss guide? I know some good tricks


Yes... you msg me out of no-where asking for a game when i have no idea who you are.

You msg me in op tot),not wgt, for a WGT game.

Im 12-1 WGT and 1220 points ??? What are you talking about now?
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
NaDazpwnz3r
Profile Joined April 2007
United States111 Posts
May 28 2007 07:19 GMT
#102
yo, question, i find it dif to play against toss who goes 2 gate zeolot rushes--> reaver drop...
just tell me wut to do, cuz i have no idea=)
Saber is el pwnz0r in FSN
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
May 28 2007 07:27 GMT
#103
On May 28 2007 16:19 NaDazpwnz3r wrote:
yo, question, i find it dif to play against toss who goes 2 gate zeolot rushes--> reaver drop...
just tell me wut to do, cuz i have no idea=)



I really dont understand how you dont know how to fight it.

Simply just micro and make constant marines and FE. With a few turrets around nat/main.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-28 09:26:19
May 28 2007 08:21 GMT
#104
On May 28 2007 16:27 lastshadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2007 16:19 NaDazpwnz3r wrote:
yo, question, i find it dif to play against toss who goes 2 gate zeolot rushes--> reaver drop...
just tell me wut to do, cuz i have no idea=)



I really dont understand how you dont know how to fight it.

Simply just micro and make constant marines and FE. With a few turrets around nat/main.


...

well I think you can handle the 2 gate zealot rush with a well-placed bunker if you are not confident withSCV+micro. From then on just get a factory -> expo while getting tanks and turrets. Spread the tanks out so it can hit the possible landing locations of the reaver. Turret placement is important too, so the toss doesn't keep on picking up+dropping the reaver.

You made this thread to help out people with their TvP. No need to say how you dont understand they lose to this stuff.
qet
Profile Joined May 2007
Australia245 Posts
May 28 2007 13:46 GMT
#105
Ahh the replay download links don't work any more. Good information though, thanks
requiem
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United States268 Posts
May 28 2007 15:24 GMT
#106
when u say midas >> robo, what about if he camps his ramp with goons until his obs comes out then he counter attacks ur 1 tank marines and buncha mines? he'll have ~4 goons on ramp once you arrive there, it's kinda hard to bust thru.
...
statix
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States1760 Posts
May 28 2007 15:41 GMT
#107
Guys please stop flaming this dude. I actually learned quite a bit. Thanks shadow :D
SCC-Caliban
Detonate
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Iceland578 Posts
May 28 2007 20:56 GMT
#108
how do you handle the detonator drop? dual robo with reaver pwnage everywhere(results may vary, maps with ramp needed)
inept @ west always up for TMM and 1vs1. TLT3 goGOgOG
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
May 28 2007 21:37 GMT
#109
On May 29 2007 00:24 requiem wrote:
when u say midas >> robo, what about if he camps his ramp with goons until his obs comes out then he counter attacks ur 1 tank marines and buncha mines? he'll have ~4 goons on ramp once you arrive there, it's kinda hard to bust thru.


If they are doing the standard 1 gate -> 20? robo. Into obs or reaver, they will have 2 dragoons / 3rd coming. 7 Marines 1 tank and a vulture can easily bust through this.

Otherwise, since siege is upgrading after mines, simply just sit at his choke with 3+ mines / 7 marines + 1 tank ( sieged ) and play standard. Your expo should be much faster.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
May 28 2007 21:37 GMT
#110
On May 29 2007 05:56 Detonate wrote:
how do you handle the detonator drop? dual robo with reaver pwnage everywhere(results may vary, maps with ramp needed)


Granted your just posting here to be a complete idiot / think your funny. There is actually a viable build for goon/reaver. . .
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
May 28 2007 22:50 GMT
#111
The people in this thread need to chill the fuck out.

Everyone jumping on lastshadow need to stfu cause his guide is pretty helpful. He even bothered to fix it up and create a new thread so people can learn from it and discuss it without a flame war.

And lastshadow you need to learn to not throw a retaliatory flame post every time you think someone may have made the slightest joke or insult post. You're only feeding the fire by responding in such a way.
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
May 28 2007 23:02 GMT
#112
On May 29 2007 07:50 Slithe wrote:
The people in this thread need to chill the fuck out.

Everyone jumping on lastshadow need to stfu cause his guide is pretty helpful. He even bothered to fix it up and create a new thread so people can learn from it and discuss it without a flame war.

And lastshadow you need to learn to not throw a retaliatory flame post every time you think someone may have made the slightest joke or insult post. You're only feeding the fire by responding in such a way.


This thread got pwned :O

Thanks for stopping (or temporarily trying to stop) the flames, Slithe.
^-^
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
May 28 2007 23:10 GMT
#113
On May 28 2007 16:08 lastshadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2007 23:29 CapO wrote:
lastshadow, why don't u just play Seraphim?
i don't want any flame, but i just wanna say, lastshadow u were 13-0 on wgt and then 17-17. u reset afterwards claiming u got spammed too much. LOL my ass. u only reset cause ur rec was shit. and then u bragged about ur winning streak and then made this tvp guide.
anyway, the way u replied to Seraphim makes u look like a typical bm kid from east.

btw, hows the test going in [Shield] or [z-zOne]? lol don't be kidding around



I went 18-8 you idiot. Don't bring your BM into this thread please. Your just an idiot, i have never liked you since we spoke for the first time in TL.west when i brought up you talking to nada.

Do you feel powerful BMing me? Your a horrible player. And if you follow my stats on WGT. I've reset 2x. 1x because of flaw and 1x because of a New ID. Don't post in my thread anymore please.

Lastly, the way i replied to seraphim was because his asking for a game seemed very sarcastic and BM in my eyes.


LOL? u got owned by me in TvT. mr.extirpate
SNSD fan
LuMiX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
China5757 Posts
May 29 2007 00:33 GMT
#114
I like the Terran race very much, because I too am Terran user. FD build is the most versatile and the BEST! =]
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8917 Posts
May 29 2007 04:20 GMT
#115
Please post the Metal[x] rush.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
May 29 2007 05:42 GMT
#116
Thanks to the Shadow Rush (TM) I hold an impressive 3-1 record against Sargas Tribe. Thanks LaStShadOw !
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
iSeeYou
Profile Joined May 2007
Korea (South)22 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-29 05:49:46
May 29 2007 05:46 GMT
#117
LOL i jussed sum of these strats omg ur the best ^^



EDIT:i wont dulbe post so hewre it is plz dont bm i hate bm ^^ Lastshadows guide was sooo helpful
I Am Now Known As m00n : Anyways 1:1 Anyone ? Im In [Op iWarn] Message For 1:1
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
May 30 2007 09:22 GMT
#118
On May 27 2007 13:17 lastshadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2007 18:14 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On May 26 2007 00:35 LeoTheLion wrote:
Thought 11/11 rax gas was cutting 12th scv for about 2 seconds so you could reach 250 mins and start rax/gas at the same time? Then you would still have 9 scvs mining.

Youre completely right Lastshadow doesn't know what hes talking about here. You wait til 225 and start gas while you send out your scv for rax...the timing works perfectly. Its superior to 12/12 when you are not walling. It also allows for a significantly faster FD (fake double) push. Thats the actual name for "Midas Rush" by the way


Its superior for a rush build. Not a macro heavy build. Im pretty sure daze even says 12/12 is the best compared to any other eco build.

Also your "FD" is what foreigners call it. Just like how we say " expo "

Koreans say "midas" and "multi".

i just watched the So1 OSL Finals VODs (Fall 2005) and when Boxer does this rush the announcers definitely say "FD" a few times
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20666 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-30 09:47:36
May 30 2007 09:32 GMT
#119
On May 30 2007 18:22 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2007 13:17 lastshadow wrote:
On May 26 2007 18:14 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On May 26 2007 00:35 LeoTheLion wrote:
Thought 11/11 rax gas was cutting 12th scv for about 2 seconds so you could reach 250 mins and start rax/gas at the same time? Then you would still have 9 scvs mining.

Youre completely right Lastshadow doesn't know what hes talking about here. You wait til 225 and start gas while you send out your scv for rax...the timing works perfectly. Its superior to 12/12 when you are not walling. It also allows for a significantly faster FD (fake double) push. Thats the actual name for "Midas Rush" by the way


Its superior for a rush build. Not a macro heavy build. Im pretty sure daze even says 12/12 is the best compared to any other eco build.

Also your "FD" is what foreigners call it. Just like how we say " expo "

Koreans say "midas" and "multi".

i just watched the So1 OSL Finals VODs (Fall 2005) and when Boxer does this rush the announcers definitely say "FD" a few times


It's definitely FD.

Stop being ridiculous, lastshadow.

The first time FD was used, Midas didn't even use Midas tag. -___________-;;

edit: and I always thought foreigners use both expo and multi? w/e, I use multi.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
GongKyuckTerran
Profile Joined March 2006
Croatia1096 Posts
May 30 2007 12:16 GMT
#120
On May 29 2007 14:42 Valentine wrote:
Thanks to the Shadow Rush (TM) I hold an impressive 3-1 record against Sargas Tribe. Thanks LaStShadOw !

rofl
1 lose bad boy
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