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besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
May 27 2007 16:06 GMT
#81
and lets not forget the man apologized and made this shiny new thread, no need to bring the flames over here
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 27 2007 16:08 GMT
#82
if he gets so terribily offended by

'"hey shadow, you seem pretty intelligent
1v1 on hamachi? KarMa//1"

then he's helpless. That can't even be considered a "flame."
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-27 16:16:21
May 27 2007 16:15 GMT
#83
On May 27 2007 21:23 Seraphim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2007 21:13 lastshadow wrote:
On May 27 2007 20:17 Seraphim wrote:
hey shadow, you seem pretty intelligent

1v1 on hamachi? KarMa//1


...no


eh, ok

I've always wanted to play against a terran who plays like this:

[image loading]


or this:
[image loading]


but damn...I've always wanted to play against a top-foreigner terran will top-foreigner skills ...maybe just not this time >.<



this is what got the response, not the 1v1 post

anyways lets just stop it before some admin comes along and kicks us out of here
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
May 27 2007 16:20 GMT
#84
this thread is not for flames or to ask for a game... if u really wanna play 1v1 with him just pm him.
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-27 16:45:17
May 27 2007 16:41 GMT
#85
seraphim stop being a prick. if you're going to be petty enough to pore over replays that xyo willingly supplied with only a generous intent and then mock him with the smallest stupidest shit like a few queued vultures (you've never seen high-level players slip in macro?), you and anyone defending you shouldn't tell him to 'grow up.' acting like a baby when he turns down your fake niceness for a game makes you out to be more childish than a fourteen-year-old =(

this is a pretty awesome guide, get over yourselves and give him a chance
Moderatorhttps://soundcloud.com/castlesmusic/sets/oak
I-Emerge
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States435 Posts
May 27 2007 16:54 GMT
#86
Sup?!

LastShadow Fighting!!!

---I-Emerge
A punch is just a punch. Then a punch becomes more than a punch. A punch becomes just a punch again.
fS-TranCeR
Profile Joined May 2007
Somalia1 Post
May 27 2007 20:56 GMT
#87
Im c6 and I know im not c4 like lastshadow, but can i try to make toss guide? I know some good tricks
I-Emerge
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States435 Posts
May 27 2007 21:06 GMT
#88
On May 28 2007 05:56 fS-TranCeR wrote:
Im c6 and I know im not c4 like lastshadow, but can i try to make toss guide? I know some good tricks


Write a Blog!
A punch is just a punch. Then a punch becomes more than a punch. A punch becomes just a punch again.
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
May 27 2007 23:18 GMT
#89
I still think that #2 (shadow rush?) strat is really risky. It would work if the protoss is just grabbing a 3rd expo, but let's get serious, most non-idiot protoss won't get 2 expos if they don't see you getting yours.

You're saying 3-gate-robo powerbuild will set him back on economy? Why? You didn't get your nat either. So you're pretty much on the same level.

Reaver/DT is scary for terran. Yes, I said it in the other thread too, you're probably safe in base. But he CAN stall you if he's just waiting for you to get your nat. Yes you have scan, but maybe he has 2-3 darks, or even worse, a shuttle too.

I'm just saying that in your oppion, this can only be countered by a 3-gate-robo build (at least that's what it sounded like). And I don't think so. I think that expo + some sort of tech can still counter this build, if he's not being overly agressive and losing units.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
May 27 2007 23:22 GMT
#90
On May 27 2007 23:57 LibertyTerran wrote:
You mofos are a bunch of cyber bully bois . Leave the kid alone and let him make us proud .
V_DrOp)Reaver
Profile Joined June 2006
United States64 Posts
May 27 2007 23:44 GMT
#91
a good toss will shit on you if you do this
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 27 2007 23:49 GMT
#92
Shadow, still down with a game
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 27 2007 23:50 GMT
#93
btw, the first photo is not showing his awesome macro, but his gosu tank/mine/vulture placement

Shadow, please reconsider
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
May 27 2007 23:56 GMT
#94
On May 28 2007 01:41 intrigue wrote:
seraphim stop being a prick. if you're going to be petty enough to pore over replays that xyo willingly supplied with only a generous intent and then mock him with the smallest stupidest shit like a few queued vultures (you've never seen high-level players slip in macro?), you and anyone defending you shouldn't tell him to 'grow up.' acting like a baby when he turns down your fake niceness for a game makes you out to be more childish than a fourteen-year-old =(

this is a pretty awesome guide, get over yourselves and give him a chance


I never told him to grow up
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
geometryb
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1249 Posts
May 28 2007 00:12 GMT
#95
lastshadow,
i am getting rocked by the midas push (the one with 7 marines), does toss HAVE to 2-gate against it? is one gate range robo gate supposed to die?
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-28 01:19:24
May 28 2007 01:18 GMT
#96
On May 28 2007 08:18 CubEdIn wrote:
I still think that #2 (shadow rush?) strat is really risky. It would work if the protoss is just grabbing a 3rd expo, but let's get serious, most non-idiot protoss won't get 2 expos if they don't see you getting yours.

You're saying 3-gate-robo powerbuild will set him back on economy? Why? You didn't get your nat either. So you're pretty much on the same level.

Reaver/DT is scary for terran. Yes, I said it in the other thread too, you're probably safe in base. But he CAN stall you if he's just waiting for you to get your nat. Yes you have scan, but maybe he has 2-3 darks, or even worse, a shuttle too.

I'm just saying that in your oppion, this can only be countered by a 3-gate-robo build (at least that's what it sounded like). And I don't think so. I think that expo + some sort of tech can still counter this build, if he's not being overly agressive and losing units.


Exactly my thoughts. I think natural expo followed by DT or Reaver can beat the Shadow rush or whatever. Or how about even just natural->four gates->shuttle+zealots?
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-05-28 02:29:35
May 28 2007 02:27 GMT
#97
On May 27 2007 13:17 lastshadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2007 18:14 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On May 26 2007 00:35 LeoTheLion wrote:
Thought 11/11 rax gas was cutting 12th scv for about 2 seconds so you could reach 250 mins and start rax/gas at the same time? Then you would still have 9 scvs mining.

Youre completely right Lastshadow doesn't know what hes talking about here. You wait til 225 and start gas while you send out your scv for rax...the timing works perfectly. Its superior to 12/12 when you are not walling. It also allows for a significantly faster FD (fake double) push. Thats the actual name for "Midas Rush" by the way



Its superior for a rush build. Not a macro heavy build. Im pretty sure daze even says 12/12 is the best compared to any other eco build.

Also your "FD" is what foreigners call it. Just like how we say " expo "

Koreans say "midas" and "multi".
no, if you watch VODs we say "FD"
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 28 2007 05:02 GMT
#98
On May 28 2007 11:27 LosingID8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2007 13:17 lastshadow wrote:
On May 26 2007 18:14 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On May 26 2007 00:35 LeoTheLion wrote:
Thought 11/11 rax gas was cutting 12th scv for about 2 seconds so you could reach 250 mins and start rax/gas at the same time? Then you would still have 9 scvs mining.

Youre completely right Lastshadow doesn't know what hes talking about here. You wait til 225 and start gas while you send out your scv for rax...the timing works perfectly. Its superior to 12/12 when you are not walling. It also allows for a significantly faster FD (fake double) push. Thats the actual name for "Midas Rush" by the way



Its superior for a rush build. Not a macro heavy build. Im pretty sure daze even says 12/12 is the best compared to any other eco build.

Also your "FD" is what foreigners call it. Just like how we say " expo "

Koreans say "midas" and "multi".
no, if you watch VODs we say "FD"


OH YEAH! I REMEMBER NOW.

they go
"ahhhh neeeh 'appe dee' (FD) terran yi joh"
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
May 28 2007 07:08 GMT
#99
On May 27 2007 23:29 CapO wrote:
lastshadow, why don't u just play Seraphim?
i don't want any flame, but i just wanna say, lastshadow u were 13-0 on wgt and then 17-17. u reset afterwards claiming u got spammed too much. LOL my ass. u only reset cause ur rec was shit. and then u bragged about ur winning streak and then made this tvp guide.
anyway, the way u replied to Seraphim makes u look like a typical bm kid from east.

btw, hows the test going in [Shield] or [z-zOne]? lol don't be kidding around



I went 18-8 you idiot. Don't bring your BM into this thread please. Your just an idiot, i have never liked you since we spoke for the first time in TL.west when i brought up you talking to nada.

Do you feel powerful BMing me? Your a horrible player. And if you follow my stats on WGT. I've reset 2x. 1x because of flaw and 1x because of a New ID. Don't post in my thread anymore please.

Lastly, the way i replied to seraphim was because his asking for a game seemed very sarcastic and BM in my eyes.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
lastshadow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1372 Posts
May 28 2007 07:08 GMT
#100
On May 28 2007 08:50 Seraphim wrote:
btw, the first photo is not showing his awesome macro, but his gosu tank/mine/vulture placement

Shadow, please reconsider


I will play.
Patience is a small price to pay for perfection.
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