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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27173 Posts
Which one do you want? | ||
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Detonate
Iceland578 Posts
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Phyre
United States1288 Posts
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
On May 24 2007 20:11 Manifesto7 wrote: xyo / lastshadow, you only use one name on TL.net. Which one do you want? i want lastshadow. But my 10 day period is not up yet, hence i cant post/edit my thread.  im sorry. | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
On May 24 2007 20:21 Detonate wrote: so basically your saying protoss can't win on lost temple if you use the standard build for it? which is 1 gate robo to accomodate for dropship play. lolcopter? LT has a completly different play. LT is no longer standard game. Im talking the standard game ; Long ; Tau ; Luna ; Python ; etc.. | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
On May 24 2007 20:07 LastRomantic wrote: Just because Midas has used it doesn't make it his build. He was the first to use it in a LIVE game, at a recorded event. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
from reading this, it seems that most of these are just variatiosn of a 2fac push. shadow is basically hiding a fac right? | ||
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fonger
United Kingdom1218 Posts
On May 24 2007 22:23 imBLIND wrote: you need 100 gas to get a rax Yeah I still don't get how pros manage to build rax before gas in their games. Fucking HACKERS?!? | ||
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
GO TEACH!! ^^ (Kay, you're not my teach anymore.. but go you!! ^^) Looking forward to the TvZ guide, Shadow. I'm having SO MUCH TROUBLE IN THAT. (>.<) I should stab myself. | ||
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United States7081 Posts
On May 24 2007 20:47 lastshadow wrote: LT has a completly different play. LT is no longer standard game. Im talking the standard game ; Long ; Tau ; Luna ; Python ; etc.. Dude, you're wrong, but I"m not going to argue with you anymore. Just try to be less stubborn. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
also, i guess nowadays FD = midas build, 3hatch muta = savior build. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On May 25 2007 03:53 niteReloaded wrote: i still dont understand why 12/12 makes up for gas heavy strat? also, i guess nowadays FD = midas build, 3hatch muta = savior build. 3 hatch muta has been around forever though..midas basically came onto the scene with his FD build. i remember watching him vs reach back in gillette and the commentators were surprised at midas's opening. several people here also commented on how unique/strange his opening was. he dominated protoss when he first appeared until all terrans started using his build and tosses learned how to effectively play vs it. | ||
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Dendra
Croatia801 Posts
*reads 1st few lines *skips to the ppl's comments | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On May 25 2007 05:00 Dendra wrote: *looks at name of the author *reads 1st few lines *skips to the ppl's comments Haha guess what? *already skipped to last page, last comment, and read this* ^^;; | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9043 Posts
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
On May 24 2007 22:13 KissBlade wrote: Doesn't look too bad. Just curious though ... what's the difference between a "Shadow rush" and a two factory timed push...? I'm really missing what's so unique about that one, except the odd 12 rax/12 gas when if you 9 depot, normally you can 10 rax/11 gas and get that factory up even faster. The problem is, if you do the build proporly ( acquiring academy and such ), the rush macro's its gas perfectly. The problem is it also needs minerals to compensate for its high vult/tank cost, and even marine vs dragoon rush. The 12/12 provides all of this, because you dont have to cut scvs. The difference between the "shadow" rush and other 2 factory timing attacks, is that this one hold 6 keys. where as others normally hold 3. * Mines * Siege * Ion thrusters * Fakes 2 other possible builds *Allows to expo/academy/ good reinforcement *Is timed perfectly so that the toss would normally be taking a 3rd if they see the fake FE. | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
On May 24 2007 22:23 imBLIND wrote: you need 100 gas to get a rax from reading this, it seems that most of these are just variatiosn of a 2fac push. shadow is basically hiding a fac right? Yes, in the "shadow" rush, you will hide a factory usually. Let the first one be viewable and make it look like an FE, so they will take 2xpoes. Taking 2 expos will almost seal the deal when you come out with 4 tanks 7 vults and 4 scvs, with mines/ion/siege. Meanwhile you may expo, get a 3rd factory, and continue vulture production. | ||
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