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AlexanderTheGreat
Profile Joined October 2006
Canada521 Posts
January 09 2007 11:43 GMT
#61
Be protoss since you can mc all your allies and max more then one race(late game str8 ultras off 30 hats along with arbs and a maxed toss army is nice). but first you want to get another nexus asap if there is a zerg on the other team then get forge first and 2 cannons b4 nex just in case.
if you see that the other team is powering for a rush then add as many cannons as u need to hold it while teching and adding gates. you must be constantly pumping probes off your 2 nex 3 if you want. you should be able to max on this map in like 10 minutes. make huge amounts of cannons, try and reaver/temp drop so u can rape their workers. also get 3 forges for ups right away. Basically you get so much money in this map that u can get everything at once. but dont get carriers. goons/zeal/dts/temp/arbs along with reaver drops. make sure u make a ridiculous amount of cannons. when your not making units your making cannons. the faster u can max the map the less units your opponents will have. cannon rushes can be good too since 99.9% of the players are noobs. If you cant kill them with just your units of protoss then mc your ally zerg first and if not then settle for terran. you want to stay away from air in this map because A it builds too slow and B it gets pwned too ez by mass storms or golies etc. A nice 36 guardian attack can tear shit up tho. Ah this map was funny playing stoned or drunk after a night of partying but still pwning it up.
There is nothing impossible to him who will try
davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-09 12:24:16
January 09 2007 11:55 GMT
#62

davidgurt fmp rep pack:
click here.


Watching some of my old replays really made me sad. You can watch them to get a basic idea of how fastest is played, but please don't criticize how I play in any of those games. My APM was only around 160 most of the time; my builds were inconsistent and poorly executed; and this was before I really learned how to play (thanks to a month or so of playing low ). In addition, the replays range from more than a year ago to approximately last summer.

Needless to say, I've improved a lot since.

Also, for anyone who wants to know just how "good" I claim I am, I can elaborate on that. I personally believe that I was one of the top ten players on the West bnet server for at least a month, after I began playing low and developed a real sense for the game. My APM jumped from 160 to 250, and I definitely learned a lot in terms of overall gameplay.

I competed in vgtour for only one season, beating the #2 ranked 1;1 player in a bo3, but did not play too actively in it. I also participated in numerous clan battles and met a ridiculously large number of people who played fastest, many of which I could recall if I happened to play them in a later game.

The maps I've played on, beginning 8-9 years ago, were bgh -> low -> zero clutter -> fastest -> low, in that order. I began playing zero clutter (aka zc) in channel clash and then continued by playing fastest in channel bravo, where I met powerhouse (apparently he played in WCG at the time as well), cloudxx2, z-unit, hornyflip, crimson)s(hadow, sod-warrior, guyabovemesucks, crazy-vegeto, vincent_guapo, and many more.
There's crashing?
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
January 09 2007 11:56 GMT
#63
On January 09 2007 00:34 Gandalf wrote:
Nexus first to pump probes of course. In team games you'll need to forge and cannon up, but in 1on1 you might be able to skip it if your opponent is going nexus first too.

And I see this thread closing in 5..4..3..2..1..


0.. BOOM

GG
^-^
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-09 11:59:40
January 09 2007 11:58 GMT
#64
Thank you Dave! I'm checking them out now! I hope they work with 1.14 without PP. I won't go into details, but just say I can't get 1.13/earlier or PP to work.

BTW, I'm still quite a noob. I'm not going to be judging you. My highest average APM was 122, and that was with Terran too.
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EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
January 09 2007 12:11 GMT
#65
I just watched the first 1v1 vs 980. That was really cool. You played it very well and he made quite a few mistakes you capitalized on. Like he never built cannons near his workers, and your storm shuttling KILLED his economy. SWEEEEEET
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Monoxide
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada1190 Posts
January 09 2007 12:23 GMT
#66
lol heres how i see it:
Protoss: Mass Dragoons 3-3-3 upgraded of course with a couple of temps (like gg everytime) if hes being a bitch and building cannons everywhere, use reavers.
Zerg: Mass Hydras or Guards and Devour. (3-3 Upgrade) (they see it and call GG)
Terran: Seige tank push with wraiths or battlecruisers (gg)
ya... if u come up with anything pm me
davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-09 12:25:15
January 09 2007 12:25 GMT
#67
On January 09 2007 21:23 Monoxide wrote:
lol heres how i see it:
Protoss: Mass Dragoons 3-3-3 upgraded of course with a couple of temps (like gg everytime) if hes being a bitch and building cannons everywhere, use reavers.
Zerg: Mass Hydras or Guards and Devour. (3-3 Upgrade) (they see it and call GG)
Terran: Seige tank push with wraiths or battlecruisers (gg)
ya... if u come up with anything pm me


It's a little bit more work than just that.
There's crashing?
AlexanderTheGreat
Profile Joined October 2006
Canada521 Posts
January 09 2007 12:28 GMT
#68
On January 09 2007 21:23 Monoxide wrote:
lol heres how i see it:
Protoss: Mass Dragoons 3-3-3 upgraded of course with a couple of temps (like gg everytime) if hes being a bitch and building cannons everywhere, use reavers.
Zerg: Mass Hydras or Guards and Devour. (3-3 Upgrade) (they see it and call GG)
Terran: Seige tank push with wraiths or battlecruisers (gg)
ya... if u come up with anything pm me


this may work vs the average first day noob but vs anyone with low-decent skill/understaning of the game let alone the map will rape all of these unit combos every time.
There is nothing impossible to him who will try
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
January 09 2007 12:39 GMT
#69
What counters mass siege tanks with air support and detection? I'm a noob so maybe thats why the answer isn't clear to me.
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Arcanis_Li
Profile Joined December 2006
United States37 Posts
January 09 2007 12:54 GMT
#70
On January 09 2007 21:39 EscPlan9 wrote:
What counters mass siege tanks with air support and detection? I'm a noob so maybe thats why the answer isn't clear to me.


Try mass air. If you are fast enough, you can also include spells
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-01-09 13:05:41
January 09 2007 13:05 GMT
#71
Say you're protoss. He has many siege tanks, some detection (turrets, comsats, sci vessels, whatever), and wraiths. What do you do? Scouts/Carriers/Corsairs? He can comsat (or otherwise detect your observers), take out your observers, cloak his wraiths, and kill any of your air units easily. How are you going to get templars near his siege tanks when his air support will prevent drops and you obviously can't walk into the tanks? I'm thinking you'd have to do something like hallucinate arbiters (a LOT of hallucinations), send them in, then send in some real arbiters, recall a massive army of zlots/goons/archons and hope for the best.
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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
January 09 2007 13:50 GMT
#72
On January 09 2007 22:05 EscPlan9 wrote:
Say you're protoss. He has many siege tanks, some detection (turrets, comsats, sci vessels, whatever), and wraiths. What do you do? Scouts/Carriers/Corsairs? He can comsat (or otherwise detect your observers), take out your observers, cloak his wraiths, and kill any of your air units easily. How are you going to get templars near his siege tanks when his air support will prevent drops and you obviously can't walk into the tanks? I'm thinking you'd have to do something like hallucinate arbiters (a LOT of hallucinations), send them in, then send in some real arbiters, recall a massive army of zlots/goons/archons and hope for the best.


If he has that many siege tanks, he can only have so many air units. Spend all your money on carriers and obs.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
January 09 2007 14:07 GMT
#73
On January 09 2007 22:05 EscPlan9 wrote:
Say you're protoss. He has many siege tanks, some detection (turrets, comsats, sci vessels, whatever), and wraiths. What do you do? Scouts/Carriers/Corsairs? He can comsat (or otherwise detect your observers), take out your observers, cloak his wraiths, and kill any of your air units easily. How are you going to get templars near his siege tanks when his air support will prevent drops and you obviously can't walk into the tanks? I'm thinking you'd have to do something like hallucinate arbiters (a LOT of hallucinations), send them in, then send in some real arbiters, recall a massive army of zlots/goons/archons and hope for the best.


I assure you, 99.9% of fastest players will not think of comsat + obs sniping, much less try to attempt it. I should think if he's at a choke, then stasis/recall + sair/disruption web will probably work. Otherwise continuous speedlots + storm from 36+ gates should be able to break his tank line if he's not at a choke
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
January 09 2007 14:18 GMT
#74
I agree most fastest players won't do a tactic like that, but here we're specifically referring to the better ones who have some understanding of the game.
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BalloonFight
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States2007 Posts
January 09 2007 15:12 GMT
#75
On January 09 2007 20:55 davidgurt wrote:
I began playing zero clutter (aka zc) in channel clash and then continued by playing fastest in channel bravo, where I met powerhouse (apparently he played in WCG at the time as well), cloudxx2, z-unit, hornyflip, crimson)s(hadow, sod-warrior, guyabovemesucks, crazy-vegeto, vincent_guapo, and many more.


Haha, I used to hang out in bravo a long time ago as well. What was your account name? I bet I'd recognize you .

RebelHeart
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
New Zealand722 Posts
January 09 2007 15:43 GMT
#76
build lots of shit... depends which race
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17732 Posts
January 09 2007 16:21 GMT
#77
Just play toss. TOss is overpowered on fastest. Just go storm harass/reaver on their mineral lines. Or just go max out in like 7 minutes with 200 of goons and lots. Its impossible to lose vs a zerg if you are toss in fastest.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
January 09 2007 17:35 GMT
#78
On January 09 2007 21:23 Monoxide wrote:
lol heres how i see it:
Protoss: Mass Dragoons 3-3-3 upgraded of course with a couple of temps (like gg everytime) if hes being a bitch and building cannons everywhere, use reavers.
Zerg: Mass Hydras or Guards and Devour. (3-3 Upgrade) (they see it and call GG)
Terran: Seige tank push with wraiths or battlecruisers (gg)
ya... if u come up with anything pm me


that's the way to play fastest!
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
January 09 2007 17:52 GMT
#79
Watching one of the PvP replays in that pack reminded me that fastest games can potentially never end. If you're playing someone of similar skill, there could easily be no end to the game, especially with same race matchup. You never run out of resources and you only need to defend one area, this severely limits the amount of mistakes you can make and exploit. Keep up on macro, do whatever little micro necessary, and keep up on tech.

In one of those PvP replays you guys were doing mass goon/reav/temp battle for 20 minutes straight. I had to turn off my sound and speed up to 16x to get through that. I just wanted to see how it'd end.
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
January 09 2007 20:15 GMT
#80
OH ... MY ... GOD.

ADMIN GODS, PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD T_T
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