I duno about most matchups, but PvZ where I know for sure lurks aren't coming would so EASY!!!. No containment, no need to worry about cliff lurks, detection, etc. It would be so straight-forward. And once I get a third expo (cuz no contain, remember?) I would have no problem getting a couple of socuts. They are no easier to counter with scourge than sairs, especialyl since you need 3 scourge to kill a scout. Storm/scout would counter guards easily.

tKd_

United States2916 Posts

June 21 2006 23:52 GMT

#23

why the fuck is it called vanilla someone tell me.

InToTheWannaB

United States4770 Posts

June 22 2006 00:20 GMT

#24

TvZ not that bad on reg SC. You can make just racks and pump marines with a few bats mixed in. ZvP I think is harder then TvZ anyway on Vanilla.

lawl mart

United States1289 Posts

June 22 2006 01:03 GMT

#25

What about the PvP imbalance I always mention?

k3fka

Argentina1267 Posts

June 22 2006 01:06 GMT

#26

wtf i never said z>>>>p. I said P>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Z on vanilla -.-v

Chill

Calgary25980 Posts

June 22 2006 01:51 GMT

#27

On June 22 2006 08:52 tKd_ wrote:
why the fuck is it called vanilla someone tell me.

God, are you this useless?
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=define: vanilla&btnG=Google Search&meta=

Mod or modification is a term generally applied to computer games, especially first-person shooters and real-time strategy games. Mods are made by the general public, and can be entirely new games upon themselves. They can include new items, weapons, characters, enemies, models, modes, textures, levels, and story lines. They also usually take place in unique locations. They can be single-player or multiplayer.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_(computer_game)

Any unpatched software is called "vanilla". Technically SC 1.00 would be Vanilla SC, but because people use "SC" to mean both StarCraft and Brood War, vanilla began being used to describe regular Starcraft.

Sadir

Vatican City State1176 Posts

June 22 2006 02:04 GMT

#28

On June 22 2006 09:20 InToTheWannaB wrote:
TvZ not that bad on reg SC. You can make just racks and pump marines with a few bats mixed in. ZvP I think is harder then TvZ anyway on Vanilla.

i still think that muta/lings will own marine bat hardcore

k3fka

Argentina1267 Posts

June 22 2006 02:33 GMT

#29

muta ling doesnt pwn you so bad. but when zergs get to hive tech , you should start worrying.

Mora

Canada5235 Posts

June 22 2006 02:43 GMT

#30

On June 22 2006 11:33 k3fka wrote:
muta ling doesnt pwn you so bad. but when zergs get to hive tech , you should start worrying.

Marines without stim get slaughtered by muta.

Mutas keep harassing until they stim, and retreat.

gg terran.

k3fka

Argentina1267 Posts

June 22 2006 03:51 GMT

#31

since there are no lurkers ppl in vanilal go 9 rax double upgrade marines , doesnt matter if they stim them or no , they just dont have to micro , so they just attack move.

Person514cs

1004 Posts

June 22 2006 07:28 GMT

#32

Wasn't this topic disscused along time ago? I think the over all point of view is Zerg > Protoss> Terran. Basicly the game is not balanced.

PePe QuiCoSE

Argentina1204 Posts

June 22 2006 09:00 GMT

#33

hehe they are saying exactly the contrary about Z and P.
I dunno, never played it but it seems that mutaling is hell strong against anything in vanilla

Bladox

Canada763 Posts

June 22 2006 09:08 GMT

#34

I didnt know there were still peeps playing vanilla.
Its interesting to see differences in matchups.

Aileon

United States299 Posts

June 22 2006 13:19 GMT

#35

Mutaling is ridiculous in all matchups in vanilla.

Open with mutaling in every game, and you should be able to make minor adaptions and still be able to win every game. Mutaclump micro is already picking off marines out of mm clusters in BW muta harass, i'd hate to see what Ter did about early muta harass (before vessel) in vanilla, or what toss would do about islands/guards pvz. The only way to stop drops would be to see them coming and just wait for them with units. No intercepting with sairs.

<333333 bw

ToKoreaWithLove

Norway10161 Posts

June 22 2006 13:40 GMT

#36

Yea agree with above poster. While muta is less of a problem for toss the lack of sairs makes islands near-impossible to kill, and guard are pretty much unstoppable. When I played some vanilla back in 1.08 beta times I could do whatever I wanted. Funny thing was people had not figured out the power of well-microed lings and mutas then. I mean, just going tripple expand right away with a mass of speedlings will still keep a one base terran player occupied untill you can get something else.

Vanilla is horribly imbalanced.

dream-_-

United States1857 Posts

June 22 2006 16:43 GMT

#37

Wow this makes "vanilla" (whatever the hell that means) look so incredibly gay. Why would ANYONE still play original sc.

Elsi

United Kingdom8173 Posts

June 22 2006 17:42 GMT

#38

Because it's fun, it's not that imbalanced as people say, it's quite an interesting game to play because it's completely dfferent to Brood War.

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

June 22 2006 18:38 GMT

#39

Well about pvz, I think you have to go scouts for vs guardians, with storm support.. I mean sure hey suck in bw due to hydra/sair/valk but here they are quite good for countering air. (Though really expensive the only way to kill cliff guardians.:/

Elsi

United Kingdom8173 Posts

June 22 2006 18:44 GMT

#40

You cant afford to go scouts with only 1 expo.....

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