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Tossim1
Profile Joined June 2004
714 Posts
February 12 2006 02:44 GMT
#41
and btw if you think otherwise id be happy to install bw again after not doing so for 10+ months and play you for some moolah via rek + fayth
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
February 12 2006 03:21 GMT
#42
On February 12 2006 11:43 Tossim1 wrote:
...and if toss is going sair goon, WHY IS IT BAD TO GO TANK/VALKS OR TANK WRAITHS?...


Yes, because NEITHER goons NOR sairs rape wraiths. -_-
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Tossim1
Profile Joined June 2004
714 Posts
February 12 2006 04:29 GMT
#43
lol ok try out 200/200 sair goon vs my 200/200 tank wraiths lets see whotf wins newb. you wouldnt be able to use dweb effectively ANYWAY because you're too slow to cast it so dont even talk like its a viable strat for you to use. my tanks would rape the shit out of your goons, your sairs would be too busy fighting my wraiths to even cast enough dwebs for it to be effective.
Tossim1
Profile Joined June 2004
714 Posts
February 12 2006 04:37 GMT
#44
THE ONLY TIME ITS GOOD IS IF YOU CATCH THE T OFFGUARD EARLY MIDGAME.
LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
February 12 2006 05:38 GMT
#45
On February 12 2006 13:29 Tossim1 wrote:
lol ok try out 200/200 sair goon vs my 200/200 tank wraiths lets see whotf wins newb. you wouldnt be able to use dweb effectively ANYWAY because you're too slow to cast it so dont even talk like its a viable strat for you to use. my tanks would rape the shit out of your goons, your sairs would be too busy fighting my wraiths to even cast enough dwebs for it to be effective.

I wonder how many wraiths would it take to kill 10 sair....
hmmm maybe like hundred...
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GsOne
Profile Joined November 2005
Poland164 Posts
February 12 2006 06:36 GMT
#46
I think it would be nice to be able to switch to carriers later (i.e. there are cliffs to abuse), otherwise it's better going arbiters.

AND scanning a fleet beacon going up may cause terr to overmass golies and get raped by goons. I think it's nice to learn how and when to pull this off, cause it's a nice alternative to arbiter ending.
CloudTime
Profile Joined October 2005
80 Posts
February 12 2006 07:13 GMT
#47
On February 12 2006 13:37 Tossim1 wrote:
THE ONLY TIME ITS GOOD IS IF YOU CATCH THE T OFFGUARD EARLY MIDGAME.


stfu noob
Kami5909
Profile Joined November 2005
United States157 Posts
February 13 2006 06:32 GMT
#48
On February 11 2006 10:23 Tossim1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2006 05:30 PetrBlaha wrote:
On February 07 2006 17:08 Kami5909 wrote:

That's kinda like telling people that there's no use studying classical physics because it doesn't work at the quantum level. We're not all good enough or patient enough and most of us don't have the practice partners worth inventing new strats with. The reason we use these strategies (note: NOT build orders) is because they're PROVEN to be efficient and better unit combos than any random unit combo (i.e. reaver/obs, dt/arbiter, goon/sair, etc.).


but you don't get that point, i'm only saying that it's viable strategy, not denying "good-old" strategies, I'm just saying that this kid with his "1 word answers" don't have any clue what can or can't be done

On February 10 2006 17:22 Tossim1 wrote:

no, its just he's right... t's arent that stupid to just sit there and not do anything about the sairs, if the t is 200/200 he's going to see the sairs and get something to counter them


what is that something on luna? turrets? where?
Or do you suggest goliaths? Look at those replays and tell me if protoss's army would be countered by goliaths+tanks combo, and even... do you think that corsairs won't shoot disruption web? they are fast enough and have great range for web



umm how about valks/wraiths? lol just shut up you dno what you're talking about =[

Excuse me, did you just suggest that the terran counters mass goon sair with wraith valk? Come again?

Look, I don't think goon/sair is a great build or even really viable, but it's really hard not to make fun of the idiot trying to counter it with terran air. Get a few vessels for emp, some gols, and fight without siegeing the tanks.
Tossim1
Profile Joined June 2004
714 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-02-13 06:56:17
February 13 2006 06:53 GMT
#49
i was saying wraiths OR vaulks could counter sairs k. i thought it was obvious enough that you would need tanks to counter the goons but i guess i need to spell everything out for you guys
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
February 13 2006 08:54 GMT
#50
Please, don't spell it out. Before we only thought you were dumb - now we *know* you are.

Wraiths, the counter to sairs.

This is Tossim1's advice, everyone -_-
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Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
February 13 2006 09:07 GMT
#51
On February 13 2006 17:54 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Please, don't spell it out. Before we only thought you were dumb - now we *know* you are.

Wraiths, the counter to sairs.

This is Tossim1's advice, everyone -_-


it's what the prima guide says!

although they also list corsairs as the counter to wraiths
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RuNei
Profile Joined January 2006
United States30 Posts
February 13 2006 09:51 GMT
#52
Wouldnt cloak/obs-snipe work vs sairs tho? (with the wraiths that is)
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kP_cHoBo
Profile Joined June 2004
United States439 Posts
February 13 2006 11:00 GMT
#53
On February 12 2006 11:44 Tossim1 wrote:
and btw if you think otherwise id be happy to install bw again after not doing so for 10+ months and play you for some moolah via rek + fayth


Are you sure u haven't been playing for 10+ months? I sware someone named "Tossim" joined my game "1:1 LT GOSU toss come!!" That wasn't you? My screenname was Marine23....
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GroT
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Belgium3003 Posts
February 13 2006 11:36 GMT
#54
On February 13 2006 15:53 Tossim1 wrote:
i was saying wraiths OR vaulks could counter sairs k. i thought it was obvious enough that you would need tanks to counter the goons but i guess i need to spell everything out for you guys



are you trolling or what?
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maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-02-14 02:34:09
February 14 2006 02:33 GMT
#55
what a lame thread

how bout a close.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
February 14 2006 02:40 GMT
#56
???

I think the topic is fine, just not Tossim's advice on how to counter it.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-02-14 04:46:56
February 14 2006 04:09 GMT
#57
On February 04 2006 08:49 PetrBlaha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2006 11:49 mcmascote wrote:


On February 02 2006 14:53 PetrBlaha wrote:
This strategy is only viable on maps like lune, where terran don't have antiair like turrets. Also note that time of this spell is really short so you must really hurry

I also suggest it on R point where almost all Terrans go out with 200/200 all in.


at noob level? yes.


pls see these reps. they are not perfect but there is way how it can be done. Thank you
http://replays.orik.org/replays/050715 ErOs_Fros-Lumen[z-z.rep
http://replays.orik.org/replays/050715 ErOs_Fros-KT.MGW)Pl.rep
http://replays.orik.org/replays/050723 FrostY-Crow.rep


I won't watch your replays.. do you know why?
Cause if you beat someone using corsair/dweb, you should've raped him without corsairs/dweb

IMO Macro+Scan >>>>>>>>> 2stargates + fleet + reasearch dweb + 4-6 corsairs + wait for mana + great unit control + corsair micro.

again, its just my opinion. But I think you're 6-8 years later in theorycraft
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20069 Posts
February 14 2006 06:14 GMT
#58
sair/goon rules in 2v2 vs pubbies :D
I'm 2 -0 using it, its quite fun strat to use.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Dantak
Profile Joined January 2006
Czech Republic648 Posts
February 14 2006 20:42 GMT
#59
On February 14 2006 13:09 mcmascote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2006 08:49 PetrBlaha wrote:
On February 03 2006 11:49 mcmascote wrote:


On February 02 2006 14:53 PetrBlaha wrote:
This strategy is only viable on maps like lune, where terran don't have antiair like turrets. Also note that time of this spell is really short so you must really hurry

I also suggest it on R point where almost all Terrans go out with 200/200 all in.


at noob level? yes.


pls see these reps. they are not perfect but there is way how it can be done. Thank you
http://replays.orik.org/replays/050715 ErOs_Fros-Lumen[z-z.rep
http://replays.orik.org/replays/050715 ErOs_Fros-KT.MGW)Pl.rep
http://replays.orik.org/replays/050723 FrostY-Crow.rep


I won't watch your replays.. do you know why?
Cause if you beat someone using corsair/dweb, you should've raped him without corsairs/dweb

IMO Macro+Scan >>>>>>>>> 2stargates + fleet + reasearch dweb + 4-6 corsairs + wait for mana + great unit control + corsair micro.

again, its just my opinion. But I think you're 6-8 years later in theorycraft


then you, my friend, just own yourself because saying this without looking at replays in not worthy answer
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20069 Posts
February 14 2006 23:20 GMT
#60
On February 13 2006 20:00 kP_cHoBo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2006 11:44 Tossim1 wrote:
and btw if you think otherwise id be happy to install bw again after not doing so for 10+ months and play you for some moolah via rek + fayth


Are you sure u haven't been playing for 10+ months? I sware someone named "Tossim" joined my game "1:1 LT GOSU toss come!!" That wasn't you? My screenname was Marine23....

You're Marine23? I think i've played you a couple times in the past. Are you on USEast?
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
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