EPT[help] how to deal with swarm - Page 2
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overu1
Zimbabwe190 Posts
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123bangbang
United Kingdom83 Posts
sieged up tanks can eat them up albeit slowly. also remember that marines, medics and firebats can survive under the swarm as well... so get in the swarm and kill off as many lurkers as u can. if im wrong slap me. if not stfu. | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
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Alan Schezar
France44 Posts
Burrowed lurkers don't get hit by tank splash damage. They only get hurt if they unburrow to move farther so they will deal damage (and some very nice) Bats and medics only can survive quite decently under lurker spines. Upgraded lurkers tear rines in two shots (moreover rines won't do dmg to units under swarm even if they are inside | swarm do not protect against lurker attack). You'll need a large pack of frebats and medics to engage a pile of lurkers under swarm. And you would rather have several groups of mnm (bat-less) irradiate the defilers and wait farther so you can kill anything that goes out of the swarm and/or finish the zergs off when swarms wears off. Using sieged tanks in packs of ~4 can make him think twice before unburrowing his lurkers and can stall his swarm push nicely. slap me if i'm wrong somewhere ...  | ||
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mitsy
United States1792 Posts
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
Best weapon against swarm is keeping the zerg at bay, so when he starts getting swarm you have to be more aggresive in this part than in any other time of the game. If you have something like 1 factory and 1 starport, make another starport and pump vessels with irradiate. If you have many tank, like you went 2 factory and they have fast hive or something, you form a big separated line of the tanks, and put your mnm in the front, once they start swarming, you retreat to the next tank and so on. If you have 2 factory tank however, you still need at least an starport with vessels making irradiate. If you stay in your base you are as good as dead so go out and keep as aggresive as possible. There are some cocky terrans who make mines, and thats specially good vs fast defiler and on a map like nostalgia it rocks(for the terran) if used properly, but meh.. suit yourself. Edit: I play both zvt and tvz and im not a fan of swarm in either matchup, since for me fast swarm in zvt is kind of a do or die strategy, and can only be used properly against crappier terrans than you, and since 70% of the tvzs ive played on pgt were all fast swarms, i got bored with it too. And yes if you have 300+ apm you can switch to wraith like control said -_- | ||
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greatmeh
Canada1964 Posts
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mitsy
United States1792 Posts
tvt is the only matchup that teaches terran to be different than that on a regular basis. you can place buildings with a lot more aggression and style and move them, and the same goes for units. well in certain situations in other matchups you can take on this style as well, but most don't. one situation is when they are doing the kind of attack they put a lot of focus in that you can delay, you can meanwhile virtually ensure the win before they know what's going on. it's kind of a reversal of roles. we see the opposite in tvp, t are the ones doing the slow attack while p are aggressive everywhere but running away from the battle as long as possible. if a zerg is going earlier hive and using swarm you become like that protoss, except zerg main is even more vulnerable than the typical terran. | ||
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
Mines vs ultra/ling however is quite controversal though, friend told me that ultras will kill them before they get to do dmg to them. But then again, a smart zerg would just run one ling through a mine field and destroy all your mines for naught. Hmmm Bunkers/Mines/Sieged tanks :D? | ||
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HappyManRun
1111 Posts
On November 16 2005 17:07 QuietIdiot wrote: Mines and tanks > Lurker/ling underswarm Mines vs ultra/ling however is quite controversal though, friend told me that ultras will kill them before they get to do dmg to them. But then again, a smart zerg would just run one ling through a mine field and destroy all your mines for naught. Hmmm Bunkers/Mines/Sieged tanks :D? Honestly, I dont get why ppl wont use vulture later on, they sounded so sexy with mines... But it's prabably too risky huh, in case they switch to say... hydra :p | ||
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exalted
United States3612 Posts
On November 16 2005 17:07 QuietIdiot wrote: Mines and tanks > Lurker/ling underswarm Mines vs ultra/ling however is quite controversal though, friend told me that ultras will kill them before they get to do dmg to them. But then again, a smart zerg would just run one ling through a mine field and destroy all your mines for naught. Hmmm Bunkers/Mines/Sieged tanks :D? You are missing the most valuable piece of anti-defiler equipment: vessel. The only reason vultures are used in the first place is to free up more gas for 2 port vessel. Bunkers are again, useless due to swarm, and siege tank does minimal damage under swarm as well. The only viable counter to defiler is staying aggressive and forcing him to use swarm defensively as well as Vessel to win the attrition war. OP, please just read Control's and my posts for information on countering defiler.. | ||
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Crazy_Ghandi
United States20 Posts
One thing to remember is that you should mass vessels, keep building them no matter what. Secoundly since vessels dont cost much minerals just get 6 medics and mass marines. Keep upgrading and take control of islands. Try to avoid big battles unless you know you can win. This strat requires you to have decent micro skills but not too much. And lastly, once you have realized that the map has run out of minerals then you may finish him off with M&M and vessels. Just defend and harrass his expansions using dropships plus vessels for most of the game. You may end up only mining from 1 or 2 expansions the entire game and he may end up with 5 or 6 but that doesnt matter cause eventually he will run out of money and your job is to make that happen even faster with vessels and dropiships. | ||
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Oath
124 Posts
theres so many swarm attacks done there that maybe something from it could be helpful to u | ||
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greatmeh
Canada1964 Posts
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mitsy
United States1792 Posts
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Oath
124 Posts
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sdpgposd
United Kingdom1464 Posts
drops in his main, kill tech, i always hate that... u just gotta be sneaky doing it -. | ||
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