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DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
October 01 2011 21:52 GMT
#21
Just look for 1v1 noob games, theres always a few.
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
October 02 2011 01:19 GMT
#22
On October 02 2011 02:54 snowroller1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 21:44 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.

All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.

And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.

Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?

Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.

Thanks guys


hi, im also a SC2 player, grandmaster. I read all you wrote and isn't all those things signs of BW beeing a better game? meaning it takes more skill to play? but we all have different opinions i guess~!hf


I didn't mean to imply that either game was better =/, I was just asking for help because BW is sooo much more challenging. I am trying though haha and it is a lot of fun for that very reason.

On October 02 2011 04:28 ThugTerran wrote:
stop sending him on iccup lol... he can't hotkey or even separate/move units he has no place in iccup...read guides watch replays/vods then start 1v1 vs comp to exercise your mechanics whatever..
hf gl you will need it!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Well you can always jump onto iCCup and sink or swim, mostly sink, then lose the will to play BW online like I did because you have no chance of winning. I swear that's a good way to do it!

But seriously if you do go on iCCup, just play people on op teamliquid who will help you get better before you actually try laddering.


I dont mind the sink or swim mentality, you improve much faster getting crushed than playing against the ai. I did the same thing with SC2, just started playing without any guidance only watching streams and stuff to improve. Lost my first 15 games in a row in bronze, but now I'm diamond so I have improved :D
My wife for hire! - Zealot
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
October 02 2011 07:23 GMT
#23
^^ awsome cuzz iccup is realy though for new players unless your gm in eu u will be d+:D but go to ww.iccup.com download the antie hack laucher (for wc3 and sc:bw have the same laucher) and use open the laucher, direct it to your bw and you can use start playing off the lacuher:D
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
October 02 2011 07:27 GMT
#24
On October 02 2011 16:23 sabas123 wrote:
^^ awsome cuzz iccup is realy though for new players unless your gm in eu u will be d+:D but go to ww.iccup.com download the antie hack laucher (for wc3 and sc:bw have the same laucher) and use open the laucher, direct it to your bw and you can use start playing off the lacuher:D


Ok great thanks for that will do
My wife for hire! - Zealot
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
October 02 2011 09:12 GMT
#25
Played a game against a comp after like 2 years of absence (played sc/bw since 1999) and now i can't stand this game anymore. It's just insane how much it has changed really... It has brought back a lot of good memories, but when you played like thousands of sc2 games, you'll find that unit number's limit selection pretty retarded... Sooooooo many retarded things actually... Like shift commands, drone's gathering and so on...

Can't believe that i played it a lot (probably 10k/20k games on bw and C+ on iccup)... oO

Either way, i really wish you all the best because i already gave up !

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
puppykiller
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States3126 Posts
October 02 2011 09:30 GMT
#26
On October 01 2011 22:14 Afmug wrote:
Use the F1 through F5 keys to select locations.

User was warned for this post


haha i love how this guy gets warned for this even though i dont completely understand why.
Why would I play sctoo when I can play BW?
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
October 02 2011 09:30 GMT
#27
On October 02 2011 10:19 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 02:54 snowroller1 wrote:
On October 01 2011 21:44 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.

All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.

And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.

Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?

Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.

Thanks guys


hi, im also a SC2 player, grandmaster. I read all you wrote and isn't all those things signs of BW beeing a better game? meaning it takes more skill to play? but we all have different opinions i guess~!hf


I didn't mean to imply that either game was better =/, I was just asking for help because BW is sooo much more challenging. I am trying though haha and it is a lot of fun for that very reason.

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 04:28 ThugTerran wrote:
stop sending him on iccup lol... he can't hotkey or even separate/move units he has no place in iccup...read guides watch replays/vods then start 1v1 vs comp to exercise your mechanics whatever..
hf gl you will need it!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Well you can always jump onto iCCup and sink or swim, mostly sink, then lose the will to play BW online like I did because you have no chance of winning. I swear that's a good way to do it!

But seriously if you do go on iCCup, just play people on op teamliquid who will help you get better before you actually try laddering.


I dont mind the sink or swim mentality, you improve much faster getting crushed than playing against the ai. I did the same thing with SC2, just started playing without any guidance only watching streams and stuff to improve. Lost my first 15 games in a row in bronze, but now I'm diamond so I have improved :D

That's a good mindset. You will get crushed but when looking back a replays you can be like hey im supply blocked here need to work making my build crisp or hey floating too many resources here or hey i didnt micro well here. All the while you will lose but you'll lose less 'hard'. And when you finally get your first win its bloody exhilarating like your fingers wont stop trembling and you might need new underwear not cause you've soiled yourself but because your testicles are enormous.
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
October 02 2011 10:34 GMT
#28
On October 01 2011 23:38 Termit wrote:
Damn, a ton of peeps from Australia picking up BW here at TL right now. O_O


It's the Kiante Effect.
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
October 02 2011 11:11 GMT
#29
On October 02 2011 10:19 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 02:54 snowroller1 wrote:
On October 01 2011 21:44 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.

All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.

And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.

Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?

Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.

Thanks guys


hi, im also a SC2 player, grandmaster. I read all you wrote and isn't all those things signs of BW beeing a better game? meaning it takes more skill to play? but we all have different opinions i guess~!hf


I didn't mean to imply that either game was better =/, I was just asking for help because BW is sooo much more challenging. I am trying though haha and it is a lot of fun for that very reason.

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 04:28 ThugTerran wrote:
stop sending him on iccup lol... he can't hotkey or even separate/move units he has no place in iccup...read guides watch replays/vods then start 1v1 vs comp to exercise your mechanics whatever..
hf gl you will need it!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Well you can always jump onto iCCup and sink or swim, mostly sink, then lose the will to play BW online like I did because you have no chance of winning. I swear that's a good way to do it!

But seriously if you do go on iCCup, just play people on op teamliquid who will help you get better before you actually try laddering.


I dont mind the sink or swim mentality, you improve much faster getting crushed than playing against the ai. I did the same thing with SC2, just started playing without any guidance only watching streams and stuff to improve. Lost my first 15 games in a row in bronze, but now I'm diamond so I have improved :D


Just keep in mind that when you start laddering on iccup, you're going to most likely be losing many more than just 15 games in a row to people much much better than bronze level, even though they are only D/D+ level on iccup.

BW is an amazing game though and I still love it more than SC2. So good luck!
HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
October 02 2011 13:28 GMT
#30
On October 02 2011 20:11 Angra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 10:19 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On October 02 2011 02:54 snowroller1 wrote:
On October 01 2011 21:44 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.

All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.

And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.

Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?

Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.

Thanks guys


hi, im also a SC2 player, grandmaster. I read all you wrote and isn't all those things signs of BW beeing a better game? meaning it takes more skill to play? but we all have different opinions i guess~!hf


I didn't mean to imply that either game was better =/, I was just asking for help because BW is sooo much more challenging. I am trying though haha and it is a lot of fun for that very reason.

On October 02 2011 04:28 ThugTerran wrote:
stop sending him on iccup lol... he can't hotkey or even separate/move units he has no place in iccup...read guides watch replays/vods then start 1v1 vs comp to exercise your mechanics whatever..
hf gl you will need it!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Well you can always jump onto iCCup and sink or swim, mostly sink, then lose the will to play BW online like I did because you have no chance of winning. I swear that's a good way to do it!

But seriously if you do go on iCCup, just play people on op teamliquid who will help you get better before you actually try laddering.


I dont mind the sink or swim mentality, you improve much faster getting crushed than playing against the ai. I did the same thing with SC2, just started playing without any guidance only watching streams and stuff to improve. Lost my first 15 games in a row in bronze, but now I'm diamond so I have improved :D


Just keep in mind that when you start laddering on iccup, you're going to most likely be losing many more than just 15 games in a row to people much much better than bronze level, even though they are only D/D+ level on iccup.

BW is an amazing game though and I still love it more than SC2. So good luck!


I don't really mind how many games I lose I'm just excited for the challenge
My wife for hire! - Zealot
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
October 02 2011 14:27 GMT
#31
just be prepared to go 2-85 :D

it is normal, don't get discouraged
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
October 03 2011 08:00 GMT
#32
On October 02 2011 23:27 fabiano wrote:
just be prepared to go 2-85 :D

it is normal, don't get discouraged


Finally got around to downloading iccup and playing a game, got proxy rax/bunker rushed. Ah, the nostalgia from my bronze league days. Had a massive OH SHIT moment and had zero idea how to deal with it.

I'm gonna go play a few more games now :D
My wife for hire! - Zealot
Phyrigian
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand1332 Posts
October 03 2011 08:16 GMT
#33
--- Nuked ---
HystericaLaughter
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia720 Posts
October 03 2011 08:54 GMT
#34
On October 03 2011 17:16 Phyrigian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:00 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On October 02 2011 23:27 fabiano wrote:
just be prepared to go 2-85 :D

it is normal, don't get discouraged


Finally got around to downloading iccup and playing a game, got proxy rax/bunker rushed. Ah, the nostalgia from my bronze league days. Had a massive OH SHIT moment and had zero idea how to deal with it.

I'm gonna go play a few more games now :D


whats your name on iccup? i lag like a mofo on it so i play on fish, but i'll try help and play a few games with you. hystericallaughter? i'll check now.


Nah its HystericaLaugh, the full name doesn't fit. Notice the single capital L.

I'm done for now but I'll play with you sometime for sure just pm me or if you see me on iccup.
My wife for hire! - Zealot
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
October 03 2011 15:12 GMT
#35
Wow, this thread.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 17:51:02
October 03 2011 17:47 GMT
#36
On October 03 2011 17:00 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 23:27 fabiano wrote:
just be prepared to go 2-85 :D

it is normal, don't get discouraged


Finally got around to downloading iccup and playing a game, got proxy rax/bunker rushed. Ah, the nostalgia from my bronze league days. Had a massive OH SHIT moment and had zero idea how to deal with it.

I'm gonna go play a few more games now :D


Hehe, you'll get used to how BW mechanics work, eventually you will grow to love it like everyone else glhf.

You sound like you are zerg, if that's the case you will love BW zerg. Lings can actually kill marines, infestors can make units invincible and have unlimited energy, fungal growth reduces units and buildings to 1 health, ultralisks never die, and your lurkers don't die after they attack.

Just don't do what every SC2 player does and use hydras against marines, lurkers and lings are 100x better.
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
the_fixxer
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden30 Posts
October 03 2011 18:33 GMT
#37
On October 01 2011 22:23 Garrl wrote:
Firstly, you can hotkey buildings, just not multiple buildings. This means if you're, say, terran in early game, you'd want to hotkey your ccs and raxes. Most people keep all their raxes and faxes on one screen so they can just quickly double tap a rax hotkey (or a screen hotkey) then quickly click on their raxes and do a production cycle then go back to their army.

Regarding army control, it's really down to personal preference how you hotkey all your army; I'm zerg so I tend to just loosely hotkey clusters of units together then drag select mid-battle if I want to micro my lurkers or defilers or such.

To log in and play on iCCup, you'll first want to register on iccup.com, then download the antihack launcher and the reg file. Then add the reg to your register (double clicking it should normally just work if you're on Windows), then the iCCup server should be on your server list. Then you can just login with your site username and password.

If you don't have the correct ports forwarded for BW, you won't be able to host games - people will just get latency too high messages. Basically you need to forward port 6112-6119 TCP and UDP, both out and in. Doing this will be specific to your router - most have web interfaces but they're different from brand to brand.


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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
October 03 2011 22:45 GMT
#38
On October 04 2011 02:47 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:00 HystericaLaughter wrote:
On October 02 2011 23:27 fabiano wrote:
just be prepared to go 2-85 :D

it is normal, don't get discouraged


Finally got around to downloading iccup and playing a game, got proxy rax/bunker rushed. Ah, the nostalgia from my bronze league days. Had a massive OH SHIT moment and had zero idea how to deal with it.

I'm gonna go play a few more games now :D



Just don't do what every SC2 player does and use hydras against marines, lurkers and lings are 100x better.


No one uses hydralisks ZvT anymore they're just as bad ZvT in SC1 as they are in SC2.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
October 03 2011 22:56 GMT
#39
On October 02 2011 02:54 snowroller1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 21:44 HystericaLaughter wrote:
Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.

All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.

And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.

Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?

Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.

Thanks guys


hi, im also a SC2 player, grandmaster. I read all you wrote and isn't all those things signs of BW beeing a better game? meaning it takes more skill to play? but we all have different opinions i guess~!hf

BW is a better game, but having a bad user interface is not why. It's just deeper strategically and the units are more balanced and interesting. Units require micro to be fully useful. Mechanics are extremely hard in BW and that may be a good thing but I could easily make a game where you could only select one unit at a time and say "LOL l2p BW n00bs"
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RaYhN
Profile Joined June 2004
United States437 Posts
October 04 2011 10:43 GMT
#40
learn and spam 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a whenever you can.(before game starts) It helped me to control my 100+ armies pretty good. My fav is 1a2a3a4sh5sh6sh7sh8sh9sh0sh. Damn, i miss BW..
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