Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.
All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.
And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.
Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?
Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.
Firstly, you can hotkey buildings, just not multiple buildings. This means if you're, say, terran in early game, you'd want to hotkey your ccs and raxes. Most people keep all their raxes and faxes on one screen so they can just quickly double tap a rax hotkey (or a screen hotkey) then quickly click on their raxes and do a production cycle then go back to their army.
Regarding army control, it's really down to personal preference how you hotkey all your army; I'm zerg so I tend to just loosely hotkey clusters of units together then drag select mid-battle if I want to micro my lurkers or defilers or such.
To log in and play on iCCup, you'll first want to register on iccup.com, then download the antihack launcher and the reg file. Then add the reg to your register (double clicking it should normally just work if you're on Windows), then the iCCup server should be on your server list. Then you can just login with your site username and password.
If you don't have the correct ports forwarded for BW, you won't be able to host games - people will just get latency too high messages. Basically you need to forward port 6112-6119 TCP and UDP, both out and in. Doing this will be specific to your router - most have web interfaces but they're different from brand to brand.
Use F buttons to bind location cameras above your production facilities/hatches - this will enable you to click on specific production facilities alot quicker. And dear lord it isn't hard to google ICCup to found out how to begin.
use Shift+F2-F5 to bind locations, then bind say F2 to where your production facilities are, then you can macro, you can also bind say F3 to any given location so that you can change rally points faster.
Ok screen hotkeys seem to be the way to go, thanks a lot guys. A fairly epic simcity might be required as well. And thanks for the ICCup explanation
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use Shift+F2-F5 to bind locations, then bind say F2 to where your production facilities are, then you can macro, you can also bind say F3 to any given location so that you can change rally points faster
Oh that makes so much sense changing rally points was a royal pain in the arse thanks
On October 01 2011 22:41 HystericaLaughter wrote: Ok screen hotkeys seem to be the way to go, thanks a lot guys. A fairly epic simcity might be required as well. And thanks for the ICCup explanation
use Shift+F2-F5 to bind locations, then bind say F2 to where your production facilities are, then you can macro, you can also bind say F3 to any given location so that you can change rally points faster
Oh that makes so much sense changing rally points was a royal pain in the arse thanks
It's only F2-F4, F5 won't work as BW only allows 3 location keys Just letting you know in case you've gone in-game to find your F5 location key not working
its cool that your picking up bw but if your doing it just to improve your mechaincs for sc2 i wouldnt recommend it. bw players who switch had great mechanics but they still had to learn how to play the game. i geuss im trying to say that playing bw wont make you better at sc2
On October 01 2011 23:56 love.less wrote: its cool that your picking up bw but if your doing it just to improve your mechaincs for sc2 i wouldnt recommend it. bw players who switch had great mechanics but they still had to learn how to play the game. i geuss im trying to say that playing bw wont make you better at sc2
I don't think that is true at all considering Yellow went from nub to beating people at the Code A qualifier in about a month (my time frame may be a bit off but you get the point). The mechanics themselves should transfer between games the strategies however, probably won't.
On October 01 2011 23:56 love.less wrote: its cool that your picking up bw but if your doing it just to improve your mechaincs for sc2 i wouldnt recommend it. bw players who switch had great mechanics but they still had to learn how to play the game. i geuss im trying to say that playing bw wont make you better at sc2
I don't think that is true at all considering Yellow went from nub to beating people at the Code A qualifier in about a month (my time frame may be a bit off but you get the point). The mechanics themselves should transfer between games the strategies however, probably won't.
yellow had been playing broodwar since release and was awesome on top of that you cant compare that kind of background to somebody in diamond sc2 starting to play a different game to improve
that sounded a bit offensive to the OP when i read it out loud. none intended my friend
An SC2 player getting mad at the gameplay design of BW hehehe...
Basically, 12 units to a hotkey (so you'll have like hotkey's 1-6 for units in late game) and one structure per hotkey (as terran, use comsat stations as hotkeys 7-0) f2-f4 hotkeys are great (can you really use f5? never tried it) f2 is something like your production facilities. f3 could be your rally point. f4 could be a base of importance of your upgrade area or depot making area.
1-2: early game: main building or first production buildings. later: spellcasters, VIUs, micro complement units (reaver, medic, ht, defiler, queen, etc). 3-5: army 6-7 army if needed. 8-9: center production building for double tap. 0: most important buildings (comsat, defiler mound, templar archive). This is usually for timing purposes, so i don't miss on the important timings in the game, whether my tech or to attack. f2: main production f3: rally f4: tech buildings
Remember though that throughout the game you will need to rebind hotkeys depending on the situation. it's never fixed,especially 1-6, but practice and discipline will give you the muscle memory and the feel later so that you become more comfortable and confident when you need to adjust and freestyle. This has always been a reason for me why I chuckle at 1a2a3a because my army has always started at 3. I mean, how can u 1a2a defilers, queens, arbiters, and vessels. Hahaha.
On October 02 2011 01:29 The Black wrote: My style, any race:
1-2: early game: main building or first production buildings. later: spellcasters, VIUs, micro complement units (reaver, medic, ht, defiler, queen, etc). 3-5: army 6-7 army if needed. 8-9: center production building for double tap. 0: most important buildings (comsat, defiler mound, templar archive). This is usually for timing purposes, so i don't miss on the important timings in the game, whether my tech or to attack. f2: main production f3: rally f4: tech buildings
Remember though that throughout the game you will need to rebind hotkeys depending on the situation. it's never fixed,especially 1-6, but practice and discipline will give you the muscle memory and the feel later so that you become more comfortable and confident when you need to adjust and freestyle. This has always been a reason for me why I chuckle at 1a2a3a because my army has always started at 3. I mean, how can u 1a2a defilers, queens, arbiters, and vessels. Hahaha.
On October 01 2011 21:44 HystericaLaughter wrote: Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.
All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.
And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.
Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?
Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.
Thanks guys
hi, im also a SC2 player, grandmaster. I read all you wrote and isn't all those things signs of BW beeing a better game? meaning it takes more skill to play? but we all have different opinions i guess~!hf
Playing BW to be better at SC2 is a huge waste of time and such an awfully stupid thing to do. It takes a f*ckton of time and effort to get anywhere near decent at BW, all of which would be much better spent on the actual game you're practicing for.
The mechanics transfer between games to an extent, sure. Not much else will. Also, I'm pretty sure you are able to improve SC2 mechanics in SC2, considering that's your goal. It is not like BW will magically make your fingers fast if you play it a while.
If you'll stay, though, I'd totally be glad for ye'. Here's some tips:
To group different types of units, be sure to ctrl+left click them, I guess this is used in BW a lot more than in SC2. Yes, you can't group buildings up like in SC2. The most preferred (and optimal) method is to have a production facility in 5,6,7 or something like that so you'd double-tap the key and macro, then double tap your army hotkeys again to go back. The screen hotkeys are mostly used for bases (with the CC/Hatch/Nexus in the center of your screen) but some players prefer to have the screen on production / rally point.
stop sending him on iccup lol... he can't hotkey or even separate/move units he has no place in iccup...read guides watch replays/vods then start 1v1 vs comp to exercise your mechanics whatever.. hf gl you will need it!
On October 02 2011 04:28 ThugTerran wrote: stop sending him on iccup lol... he can't hotkey or even separate/move units he has no place in iccup...read guides watch replays/vods then start 1v1 vs comp to exercise your mechanics whatever.. hf gl you will need it!
Well you can always jump onto iCCup and sink or swim, mostly sink, then lose the will to play BW online like I did because you have no chance of winning. I swear that's a good way to do it!
But seriously if you do go on iCCup, just play people on op teamliquid who will help you get better before you actually try laddering.
On October 02 2011 04:28 ThugTerran wrote: stop sending him on iccup lol... he can't hotkey or even separate/move units he has no place in iccup...read guides watch replays/vods then start 1v1 vs comp to exercise your mechanics whatever.. hf gl you will need it!
Yeah, if I were you, I would play on b.net for some time before installing iCCup. It’s hard to find games on decent maps on b.net but there is always Hunters etc. which many people find entertaining and it gives you the opportunity to familiarize yourself with hotkeys and basic build orders. That being said, if you are eager to play on iCCup now, then do so. There are a lot of noobs in the E/CPU (lowest rank). HF!
On October 01 2011 21:44 HystericaLaughter wrote: Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.
All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.
And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.
Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?
Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.
Thanks guys
hi, im also a SC2 player, grandmaster. I read all you wrote and isn't all those things signs of BW beeing a better game? meaning it takes more skill to play? but we all have different opinions i guess~!hf
I didn't mean to imply that either game was better =/, I was just asking for help because BW is sooo much more challenging. I am trying though haha and it is a lot of fun for that very reason.
On October 02 2011 04:28 ThugTerran wrote: stop sending him on iccup lol... he can't hotkey or even separate/move units he has no place in iccup...read guides watch replays/vods then start 1v1 vs comp to exercise your mechanics whatever.. hf gl you will need it! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well you can always jump onto iCCup and sink or swim, mostly sink, then lose the will to play BW online like I did because you have no chance of winning. I swear that's a good way to do it!
But seriously if you do go on iCCup, just play people on op teamliquid who will help you get better before you actually try laddering.
I dont mind the sink or swim mentality, you improve much faster getting crushed than playing against the ai. I did the same thing with SC2, just started playing without any guidance only watching streams and stuff to improve. Lost my first 15 games in a row in bronze, but now I'm diamond so I have improved :D
^^ awsome cuzz iccup is realy though for new players unless your gm in eu u will be d+:D but go to ww.iccup.com download the antie hack laucher (for wc3 and sc:bw have the same laucher) and use open the laucher, direct it to your bw and you can use start playing off the lacuher:D
On October 02 2011 16:23 sabas123 wrote: ^^ awsome cuzz iccup is realy though for new players unless your gm in eu u will be d+:D but go to ww.iccup.com download the antie hack laucher (for wc3 and sc:bw have the same laucher) and use open the laucher, direct it to your bw and you can use start playing off the lacuher:D
Played a game against a comp after like 2 years of absence (played sc/bw since 1999) and now i can't stand this game anymore. It's just insane how much it has changed really... It has brought back a lot of good memories, but when you played like thousands of sc2 games, you'll find that unit number's limit selection pretty retarded... Sooooooo many retarded things actually... Like shift commands, drone's gathering and so on...
Can't believe that i played it a lot (probably 10k/20k games on bw and C+ on iccup)... oO
Either way, i really wish you all the best because i already gave up !
On October 01 2011 21:44 HystericaLaughter wrote: Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.
All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.
And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.
Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?
Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.
Thanks guys
hi, im also a SC2 player, grandmaster. I read all you wrote and isn't all those things signs of BW beeing a better game? meaning it takes more skill to play? but we all have different opinions i guess~!hf
I didn't mean to imply that either game was better =/, I was just asking for help because BW is sooo much more challenging. I am trying though haha and it is a lot of fun for that very reason.
On October 02 2011 04:28 ThugTerran wrote: stop sending him on iccup lol... he can't hotkey or even separate/move units he has no place in iccup...read guides watch replays/vods then start 1v1 vs comp to exercise your mechanics whatever.. hf gl you will need it! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well you can always jump onto iCCup and sink or swim, mostly sink, then lose the will to play BW online like I did because you have no chance of winning. I swear that's a good way to do it!
But seriously if you do go on iCCup, just play people on op teamliquid who will help you get better before you actually try laddering.
I dont mind the sink or swim mentality, you improve much faster getting crushed than playing against the ai. I did the same thing with SC2, just started playing without any guidance only watching streams and stuff to improve. Lost my first 15 games in a row in bronze, but now I'm diamond so I have improved :D
That's a good mindset. You will get crushed but when looking back a replays you can be like hey im supply blocked here need to work making my build crisp or hey floating too many resources here or hey i didnt micro well here. All the while you will lose but you'll lose less 'hard'. And when you finally get your first win its bloody exhilarating like your fingers wont stop trembling and you might need new underwear not cause you've soiled yourself but because your testicles are enormous.
On October 01 2011 21:44 HystericaLaughter wrote: Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.
All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.
And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.
Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?
Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.
Thanks guys
hi, im also a SC2 player, grandmaster. I read all you wrote and isn't all those things signs of BW beeing a better game? meaning it takes more skill to play? but we all have different opinions i guess~!hf
I didn't mean to imply that either game was better =/, I was just asking for help because BW is sooo much more challenging. I am trying though haha and it is a lot of fun for that very reason.
On October 02 2011 04:28 ThugTerran wrote: stop sending him on iccup lol... he can't hotkey or even separate/move units he has no place in iccup...read guides watch replays/vods then start 1v1 vs comp to exercise your mechanics whatever.. hf gl you will need it! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well you can always jump onto iCCup and sink or swim, mostly sink, then lose the will to play BW online like I did because you have no chance of winning. I swear that's a good way to do it!
But seriously if you do go on iCCup, just play people on op teamliquid who will help you get better before you actually try laddering.
I dont mind the sink or swim mentality, you improve much faster getting crushed than playing against the ai. I did the same thing with SC2, just started playing without any guidance only watching streams and stuff to improve. Lost my first 15 games in a row in bronze, but now I'm diamond so I have improved :D
Just keep in mind that when you start laddering on iccup, you're going to most likely be losing many more than just 15 games in a row to people much much better than bronze level, even though they are only D/D+ level on iccup.
BW is an amazing game though and I still love it more than SC2. So good luck!
On October 01 2011 21:44 HystericaLaughter wrote: Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.
All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.
And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.
Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?
Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.
Thanks guys
hi, im also a SC2 player, grandmaster. I read all you wrote and isn't all those things signs of BW beeing a better game? meaning it takes more skill to play? but we all have different opinions i guess~!hf
I didn't mean to imply that either game was better =/, I was just asking for help because BW is sooo much more challenging. I am trying though haha and it is a lot of fun for that very reason.
On October 02 2011 04:28 ThugTerran wrote: stop sending him on iccup lol... he can't hotkey or even separate/move units he has no place in iccup...read guides watch replays/vods then start 1v1 vs comp to exercise your mechanics whatever.. hf gl you will need it! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well you can always jump onto iCCup and sink or swim, mostly sink, then lose the will to play BW online like I did because you have no chance of winning. I swear that's a good way to do it!
But seriously if you do go on iCCup, just play people on op teamliquid who will help you get better before you actually try laddering.
I dont mind the sink or swim mentality, you improve much faster getting crushed than playing against the ai. I did the same thing with SC2, just started playing without any guidance only watching streams and stuff to improve. Lost my first 15 games in a row in bronze, but now I'm diamond so I have improved :D
Just keep in mind that when you start laddering on iccup, you're going to most likely be losing many more than just 15 games in a row to people much much better than bronze level, even though they are only D/D+ level on iccup.
BW is an amazing game though and I still love it more than SC2. So good luck!
I don't really mind how many games I lose I'm just excited for the challenge
On October 02 2011 23:27 fabiano wrote: just be prepared to go 2-85 :D
it is normal, don't get discouraged
Finally got around to downloading iccup and playing a game, got proxy rax/bunker rushed. Ah, the nostalgia from my bronze league days. Had a massive OH SHIT moment and had zero idea how to deal with it.
On October 02 2011 23:27 fabiano wrote: just be prepared to go 2-85 :D
it is normal, don't get discouraged
Finally got around to downloading iccup and playing a game, got proxy rax/bunker rushed. Ah, the nostalgia from my bronze league days. Had a massive OH SHIT moment and had zero idea how to deal with it.
I'm gonna go play a few more games now :D
whats your name on iccup? i lag like a mofo on it so i play on fish, but i'll try help and play a few games with you. hystericallaughter? i'll check now.
Nah its HystericaLaugh, the full name doesn't fit. Notice the single capital L.
I'm done for now but I'll play with you sometime for sure just pm me or if you see me on iccup.
On October 02 2011 23:27 fabiano wrote: just be prepared to go 2-85 :D
it is normal, don't get discouraged
Finally got around to downloading iccup and playing a game, got proxy rax/bunker rushed. Ah, the nostalgia from my bronze league days. Had a massive OH SHIT moment and had zero idea how to deal with it.
I'm gonna go play a few more games now :D
Hehe, you'll get used to how BW mechanics work, eventually you will grow to love it like everyone else glhf.
You sound like you are zerg, if that's the case you will love BW zerg. Lings can actually kill marines, infestors can make units invincible and have unlimited energy, fungal growth reduces units and buildings to 1 health, ultralisks never die, and your lurkers don't die after they attack.
Just don't do what every SC2 player does and use hydras against marines, lurkers and lings are 100x better.
On October 01 2011 22:23 Garrl wrote: Firstly, you can hotkey buildings, just not multiple buildings. This means if you're, say, terran in early game, you'd want to hotkey your ccs and raxes. Most people keep all their raxes and faxes on one screen so they can just quickly double tap a rax hotkey (or a screen hotkey) then quickly click on their raxes and do a production cycle then go back to their army.
Regarding army control, it's really down to personal preference how you hotkey all your army; I'm zerg so I tend to just loosely hotkey clusters of units together then drag select mid-battle if I want to micro my lurkers or defilers or such.
To log in and play on iCCup, you'll first want to register on iccup.com, then download the antihack launcher and the reg file. Then add the reg to your register (double clicking it should normally just work if you're on Windows), then the iCCup server should be on your server list. Then you can just login with your site username and password.
If you don't have the correct ports forwarded for BW, you won't be able to host games - people will just get latency too high messages. Basically you need to forward port 6112-6119 TCP and UDP, both out and in. Doing this will be specific to your router - most have web interfaces but they're different from brand to brand.
On October 02 2011 23:27 fabiano wrote: just be prepared to go 2-85 :D
it is normal, don't get discouraged
Finally got around to downloading iccup and playing a game, got proxy rax/bunker rushed. Ah, the nostalgia from my bronze league days. Had a massive OH SHIT moment and had zero idea how to deal with it.
I'm gonna go play a few more games now :D
Just don't do what every SC2 player does and use hydras against marines, lurkers and lings are 100x better.
No one uses hydralisks ZvT anymore they're just as bad ZvT in SC1 as they are in SC2.
On October 01 2011 21:44 HystericaLaughter wrote: Hi I'm a diamond Terran in SC2 and i have switched over to playing BW, mainly to develop more disciplined mechanics.
All I've done is play the vanilla starcraft Terran campaign, and already its like what the fu-hotkeys! If I'm not mistaken, you cant group hotkey buildings, meaning you need to manually click and build units? Also I'll have a ball of units, and separating them into hotkeys is painful, even splitting them for easier management is extremely difficult for me seeing as you can only have 12 units selected at once. The whole process takes forever for me, and then we come to actually controlling the army. Cycling between 5 hotkeys while right-clicking or a-moving into position is painful at best, and then microing in battle is pretty hilarious when i pull the wrong hotkey of units back/forward or whatever.
And you are supposed to macro during this mess! Jesus.
Dont get me wrong, the game is hella fun, but the hotkey style is killing me. My longwinded rant has basically come to, what are some ways to handle base management and hotkeys as the game progresses?
Finally, can somebody explain ICCup? Like how I access/play games on it and just give me a basic explanation or a link where I can read up about it.
Thanks guys
hi, im also a SC2 player, grandmaster. I read all you wrote and isn't all those things signs of BW beeing a better game? meaning it takes more skill to play? but we all have different opinions i guess~!hf
BW is a better game, but having a bad user interface is not why. It's just deeper strategically and the units are more balanced and interesting. Units require micro to be fully useful. Mechanics are extremely hard in BW and that may be a good thing but I could easily make a game where you could only select one unit at a time and say "LOL l2p BW n00bs"
learn and spam 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a whenever you can.(before game starts) It helped me to control my 100+ armies pretty good. My fav is 1a2a3a4sh5sh6sh7sh8sh9sh0sh. Damn, i miss BW..
On October 04 2011 19:43 RaYhN wrote: learn and spam 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a whenever you can.(before game starts) It helped me to control my 100+ armies pretty good. My fav is 1a2a3a4sh5sh6sh7sh8sh9sh0sh. Damn, i miss BW..
Just come back then, BW is still there... and I dare to say it will get even better after the new teams are formed.
On October 04 2011 19:43 RaYhN wrote: learn and spam 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a whenever you can.(before game starts) It helped me to control my 100+ armies pretty good. My fav is 1a2a3a4sh5sh6sh7sh8sh9sh0sh. Damn, i miss BW..
Just come back then, BW is still there... and I dare to say it will get even better after the new teams are formed.
On October 01 2011 22:38 Kipsate wrote: use Shift+F2-F5 to bind locations, then bind say F2 to where your production facilities are, then you can macro, you can also bind say F3 to any given location so that you can change rally points faster.
whoa whoa whoa, I always thought it was only f2 f3 and f4??? If you can use f5 my mind is blown and you just reinvented my BW experience :D
On October 01 2011 22:38 Kipsate wrote: use Shift+F2-F5 to bind locations, then bind say F2 to where your production facilities are, then you can macro, you can also bind say F3 to any given location so that you can change rally points faster.
whoa whoa whoa, I always thought it was only f2 f3 and f4??? If you can use f5 my mind is blown and you just reinvented my BW experience :D
After playing for a long time, you will get used to the mechanics of the game. This includes selecting no more than 12 units, only having one hotkey for one building or 12 units, and the fact that workers do not automatically rally to the minerals/gas. You will also find it being much slower (worker speed evident) but faster paced at different times. I find units die much faster in BroodWar. Or is it just me? The game pace is always intense and quick paced, as in Starcraft 2 you could tech a lot and not get punished, but in BroodWar teching quickly without making early game units in team games could get you and your team slaughtered easily. Or is that because the game has been so developed? I do not know. We will probably find out in the future. Many people complaining that their APM has lowered in SC2 have found that it is not just because of the game speed (faster is 1.33x normal speed, and that means your APM is 33% faster in real time) but in fact is because that basic mechanics require them to have a higher APM (no more than 12 units in a selection, workers have to be individually ordered to gather minerals, no more than 12 units or a building in a single hotkey, etc).
the other obvious answer is to play the SC2:BW series of custom map/games that some kind people have put up that allow you to turn on or off BW "flaws" (control group limitations/ building selection) and allows you to use the hotkeys you want, if i recall correctly. Similarly, it looks about >9000 times better in SC2 <3 theres even shitty pathing ai :D
Hot keying units is kind of a waste imo, it's better off to square select all and a move all of them, then positiong them manually with your mouse when they're engaging the enemy. I would say only use Hotkeys when you go for Bio Terran.
On October 12 2011 06:15 ppshchik wrote: Hot keying units is kind of a waste imo, it's better off to square select all and a move all of them, then positiong them manually with your mouse when they're engaging the enemy. I would say only use Hotkeys when you go for Bio Terran.
Terrible advice, wtf...
You send a 30 units army to attack. You go to macro in your base. You want to have instant control of your 30 units again. What do you do ?
How do you flank your opponent's army efficiently without hotkeys ? You can't synchronize all the groups properly.
How do you attack a m&m ball with lurk ling without hotkeys ?
You send your protoss army without realizing the terran had many siege tanks there. Without hotkeys to move your army it will be a field of blue goo before you can do anything.
I'm not even talking about hotkeying shuttles with reavers (oh there's a turret / scourges, lets click the minimap, manually select the shuttle, oh wait it's already dead, nvm)
On October 10 2011 16:54 Slaytilost wrote: Just a quick mechanics question, since you cant hotkey multiple buildings, how do you set rally points efficiently when you have 5+ structures?
Do you actually manually select each of them, go to your designated area and right click?
Theres 3 ways.
#1 Click each building and right click on the mini-map
#2 Hotkey all your buildings 1 to 0 and then move the camera to where you want to set the rally 1-click, 2-click, etc.
#3 The way progamers do it, and the way you should gradually learn to do: Screen save your base (normally this should already be done, screen save where you want to rally to, then flip between f2 and f3 screens while clicking on each building and rallying.
So it goes, f2->click barracks->f3->rightclick->f2 click 2nd barracks->f3->rightclick->repeat for every barracks.
On October 13 2011 11:38 Zergneedsfood wrote: Actually a lot of Zergs don't use hotkeys for their army control.
Sen for example few hotkeys for actual units and relies on his insane mouse control.
Zerg is the race that doesn't need to hotkey their main army aside from important units. Protoss and Terran definitely need to hotkey their units.
When you can macro better without needing to hotkey every hatch, its better to hotkey your army, your army effectiveness drops a lot otherwise, how do you dodge storms?
If you have muta ling lurker, a lot of times you can finish the game with good control, which you can't if you don't hotkey your lings.
EPT
An SC2 player getting mad at the gameplay design of BW hehehe...
they're just as bad ZvT in SC1 as they are in SC2.
