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On October 30 2017 18:35 Ty2 wrote:
How do people feel about sending an overlord inside the protoss' base? It seems you guarantee protoss at least one overlord kill and there's a possibility a dragoon can kill it and now you a second one dying to a corsair. Any thoughts? I find it essential sometimes to tell if protoss is going stargate or not or even two stargates or some highly dangerous build.

On October 30 2017 18:22 Golgotha wrote:
I have a pvp dilemma. A specific scenario that happens often and I lose my lead and die.

In pvp, I always go for fast shuttle into reaver by getting goon range late. So I always keep my goons on top of my ramp and defend. This works really well since it allows me to get the reaver faster than my opponent. I have lower goon count but using the reaver I can equal the odds. However, my dilemma is when I move down the ramps and the opponent has a line of goons waiting for me. I found out in a painful way that attack moving down a ramp makes the goons retarded. Literally retarded. They get lost inside my base and go down one by one.

My question is, how do I break this situation? How do I use my early reaver to break this and how do I micro my goons so they don't go ballistic? Do I just stay on top of my ramp and reaver harass? But I really want to know how to micro the goons and the reaver so I can break the goon line at the bottom of my ramp. I want to punish it and not be holed up in my base. Am I supposed to target the enemy goons manually and kill them one by one?

I even tried attack moving the reaver down the ramp but it just leaves it vulnerable to snipes since I can only fit a reaver on the ramp.

Maps in question are outsider, FS, and circuit breaker. Would love to hear your advice. Thanks folks.

On October 30 2017 18:22 Golgotha wrote:
I have a pvp dilemma. A specific scenario that happens often and I lose my lead and die.

In pvp, I always go for fast shuttle into reaver by getting goon range late. So I always keep my goons on top of my ramp and defend. This works really well since it allows me to get the reaver faster than my opponent. I have lower goon count but using the reaver I can equal the odds. However, my dilemma is when I move down the ramps and the opponent has a line of goons waiting for me. I found out in a painful way that attack moving down a ramp makes the goons retarded. Literally retarded. They get lost inside my base and go down one by one.

My question is, how do I break this situation? How do I use my early reaver to break this and how do I micro my goons so they don't go ballistic? Do I just stay on top of my ramp and reaver harass? But I really want to know how to micro the goons and the reaver so I can break the goon line at the bottom of my ramp. I want to punish it and not be holed up in my base. Am I supposed to target the enemy goons manually and kill them one by one?

I even tried attack moving the reaver down the ramp but it just leaves it vulnerable to snipes since I can only fit a reaver on the ramp.

Maps in question are outsider, FS, and circuit breaker. Would love to hear your advice. Thanks folks.

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On October 31 2017 13:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:
attack move is good enough.
manually selecting targets from outside range causes the reaver to walk and sometimes not shoot from max range.
usually you dont bother with reaver micro much though (unless youre harrassing mineral lines and want to target workers rather than a random marine or you absolutely need to target fire a bunch of units together or the enemy reaver etc.). microing your shuttle is more important

On October 31 2017 15:18 Golgotha wrote:


Wait so don't target unless I'm sniping something specific? So a move is really better? I never knew that. No wonder I've been dying.

On October 30 2017 22:23 shall_burn wrote:

You may elevator all or a part of your goons to the low-ground and then surround-attack him.
You may also try to hit him by a reaver from the ramp, and when his goons shoot back, pick it up with a shuttle.
But generally, you don't want to be in such situation. Because it will take more effort from you to break out, than for him to hold you off and contain, you may lose your reaver/shuttle too, your elevator shenanigan may get revealed, etc, etc.
My advice would be to go for your build on maps with big, actual ramps, such as Chain Reaction, Neo Jade, Aztec, etc.
There it will be easier for you to hold off his early pressure this way (highground advantage) even with the delayed range. On FS CB etc go for something more standart with earlier range and a later reaver.

In short, avoid getting contained, being locked sucks. Hard to break free, and by the time you've just cleared your natural, his nexus is halfway done

On October 31 2017 21:23 ajmbek wrote:


Do not ever drop ALL of your dragons on low ground while trying to break a contain. Your opponent will just walk up your ramp and you will be loosing 100% of the time.

On October 30 2017 18:22 Golgotha wrote:
I have a pvp dilemma. A specific scenario that happens often and I lose my lead and die.

In pvp, I always go for fast shuttle into reaver by getting goon range late. So I always keep my goons on top of my ramp and defend. This works really well since it allows me to get the reaver faster than my opponent. I have lower goon count but using the reaver I can equal the odds. However, my dilemma is when I move down the ramps and the opponent has a line of goons waiting for me. I found out in a painful way that attack moving down a ramp makes the goons retarded. Literally retarded. They get lost inside my base and go down one by one.

My question is, how do I break this situation? How do I use my early reaver to break this and how do I micro my goons so they don't go ballistic? Do I just stay on top of my ramp and reaver harass? But I really want to know how to micro the goons and the reaver so I can break the goon line at the bottom of my ramp. I want to punish it and not be holed up in my base. Am I supposed to target the enemy goons manually and kill them one by one?

I even tried attack moving the reaver down the ramp but it just leaves it vulnerable to snipes since I can only fit a reaver on the ramp.

Maps in question are outsider, FS, and circuit breaker. Would love to hear your advice. Thanks folks.

On November 02 2017 00:57 pyrogenetix wrote:

This is one of the reasons why people will go range first in pvp because pvp early to mid game is basically who's got more goons. My advice would actually be to not get shuttle speed.

Ask yourself:
1) Are you doing enough damage to justify shuttle speed
2) Is your reaver harass success due to shuttle speed or other things like mistakes by your opponent or better micro by yourself
3) Are you willing to give up your nat

Also you seem to be microing goons wrong. If anything you should be using hold position when move shooting down your ramp. Right click, H, right click, H, just like when blind mine sweeping. But this isn't that great since your goons don't FF and his goons will.

If you absolutely need to go shuttle speed for personal reasons my advice on breaking out of a goon contain scenario is:
1) 2 zealots and reaver in shuttle - don't just hurl down and drop zeal zeal reav if he is quick he will focus fire (FF) your shuttle before your reav is out. Drop a zealot, fly back into high ground then come back and drop the second zeal and then your reav. Make sure the goons are not going to FF your shuttle. Also, after you drop first zeal start to move goons down ramp and FF his goons. Maybe have 1 or 2 zealots in the front when moving down ramp.

2) 4 zealots in shuttle - this one is easier as you're just dropping them down to soak damage. Then move your goons down while FF his goons. Have your reav close to your drop off point so that right after you drop zeals you go back and grab reav to join the fight.

3) probe slide - grab 3, 4 or even 5 probes, right click nat mins, and as you hear enemy goons firing, move your shuttle into play and goons down ramp. Shuttle can be filled with anything.

4) reaver crawl - reaver on ramp and just try to pick at the enemy goons. keep your shuttle moving by flying it around in a small circle. the shuttle has a slow acceleration so if your shuttle is at a dead stop and you right click on reaver it will pickup slower. May want to get a battery to keep reav/shuttle alive when doing this. Basically 3 or 4 good scarabs is enough to make a move, get too greedy and he will FF your reav/shuttle.

5) fake - use an empty shuttle and make it look like you're trying to reaver harass, when he moves a big chunk of his army to FF, move goons down with reaver. Obviously if he's smart he won't move like 12 goons to attack your shuttle but sometimes this works on new players or if he's busy with something else.

That's pretty much what I can think of. I stand by my advice to not go shuttle speed. Usually in pvp, shuttle speed is for when your first harass was good and you're getting speed to try and snowball from there. Or you're just really really confident in your shuttle micro and believe that it wins you games.

GooDLucK

1. In PvT, is this the correct order of arbiter upgrades? Energy-Stasis-Recall? Would there be any point in getting recall first or recall 2nd after energy?