Firebat vs Hydra?

On December 15 2004 23:27 radar14 wrote:
did you think of this right after you "helped" grot in his tvz thread? and i do mean that in the most liberal sense of the word

On December 15 2004 23:27 radar14 wrote:
did you think of this right after you "helped" grot in his tvz thread? and i do mean that in the most liberal sense of the word

On December 15 2004 23:41 Never Post wrote:
And the problem with Marines + Medics against Hydras is..?

On December 15 2004 23:41 Never Post wrote:
And the problem with Marines + Medics against Hydras is..?

On December 16 2004 00:14 Never Post wrote:
Still, is Firebat + Medics suppose to be any better?

On December 16 2004 00:21 gulii wrote:
they will die be4 they will get there to shoot !

On December 16 2004 00:37 evanthebouncy wrote:


That's y you mix them with goliaths, goliath will draw fire(higher attack piority)
thats rite!

um walkiki... firebats cannot fight back to mutas...

On December 16 2004 00:37 evanthebouncy wrote:


That's y you mix them with goliaths, goliath will draw fire(higher attack piority)
thats rite!

um walkiki... firebats cannot fight back to mutas...

On December 16 2004 01:49 Abahgus wrote:
You people need to sleep....

On December 15 2004 23:08 evanthebouncy wrote:
Just a thought, i think bat do good vs hydra if it can get close rite?

On December 16 2004 00:36 wakiki wrote:
Fbats are also alot better vs. Muta, since they can take more hits.

On December 16 2004 10:10 TheGreenBeret wrote:
what is there to micro with bats vs hydras?

On December 16 2004 00:36 wakiki wrote:
Fbats are also alot better vs. Muta, since they can take more hits.

On December 16 2004 00:10 Smurg wrote:


Watch the replay of Nal_Testie vs Froz. It shows some MnM getting owned by Hydras.

T_T

Just a thought, i think bat do good vs hydra if it can get close rite?

On December 16 2004 13:38 IntoTheWow wrote:


yes and zealots without speed also do better if they can get close, same with archon vs hydra, same with zealots vs marine, same with zealot vs vultutre in little numbers.

On December 16 2004 07:52 gricha wrote:


Yeah. Firebats actually do great against muta if they can get close. You just have to make them jump. Geez, learn to micro, noobs...

Problem is devourers totally OWN firebats, because acid spores corrode their fuel tank.

On December 16 2004 10:10 TheGreenBeret wrote:
what is there to micro with bats vs hydras?

On December 16 2004 16:19 BroodWar102 wrote:
I have a good question,

Firebats own lurkers if they get close enough right?

On December 16 2004 16:29 baal wrote:


actually firebats dont do bad against lurkers, when there are 1 or 2 in a group or rines they usually draw the lurks pines away and also take 3 hits to die, its not a counter to lurker ofcourse, but they are not a waste also.

On December 12 2004 16:05 hasuwar wrote:
shoulda made more firebats

On December 16 2004 15:28 wakiki wrote:


Yes that is correct. The only problem is when an Interceptor flies over and knocks your Firebat into the water. But then, Scourge own Interceptors, so that's that.



Terran player uses Stimpack. Zerg player burrows Lurkers. The End.

___
EDIT:

Haha, theburningred, yes that's awesome! The classic "Ram the dropship" attack! As can be demonstrated in this battlereport.

On December 16 2004 19:47 Kaotu wrote:
why are you building units at all? straight 4 scv micro owns pretty much anything, especially hydras. if you are seriously trying to go firebat vs hydra bring some freaking scv support or you WILL get owned.

OMFG OBS VS MEDICS GOGOOGOGOGOGO

On December 16 2004 16:29 baal wrote:


actually firebats dont do bad against lurkers, when there are 1 or 2 in a group or rines they usually draw the lurks pines away and also take 3 hits to die, its not a counter to lurker ofcourse, but they are not a waste also.

On December 16 2004 19:11 exalted wrote:
evanthebouncy why bother with that low tech goliath shit just go straight to BC and run them over when you get 12, micro is for those newfangled players that like to make more than 10 workers, old skool for3v3r!212121

On December 20 2004 04:13 [ErOs]~InCoGniTo wrote:
hydra vs pure bat hahahahahahah
thats classic..

I Just said firebats vs lurkers I think firebat wins?

-sometimes after a few battles your BCs get covered by blue lightning or red goo. That means respectively that there's been a short circuit or too much rust. Time to recycle. Go over a cliff and make them yamato one another so that your opponent don't get the exp.

On December 20 2004 16:42 boongee wrote:
OMG! I can't take the newbiness of this thread. Perhaps I shall share some of my wisdom with you guys.

First of all: Zerg SUX!!! Don't use them. Mass SCVs can kill 2 Zerglings, so clearly TvZ is imbalanced.

Next, you need to learn basic build orders. Here's my personal favorite with Protoss:
Build 50 probes
Mass cannons at your choke point

Your opponent will become frustrated because cannons are invincible. He will leave and you will win. If he uses this thing called a "Dropship", then disconnect, because he is clearly hacking.

Never expand. Getting multiple bases is dangerous. With 1 base, you're much stronger.

Oh and about firebats vs hydras.... You shouldn't ever have to worry about hydras, since Zerg sux and all you have to do to beat them is mass SCVs. The only problem is if the Zerg uses their super cheap flying pigs (they get one at the beginning of each game because Blizzard knew that Zerg were the worst). Your SCVs won't be able to attack them, it's laem.

On December 20 2004 03:48 gricha wrote:


Exalted is actually right but the problem is many average terran players don't know how to rush to BC the way gosu people do. Let me try to write...

... The definitive BC rush Build Order

The key is pretty tricky for average players: peon stopping, sacrificing econ to get shit faster.

1)build scv until 10/10, build gas, put 5 scv to gas, then wait for 400 min and build a command center at your choke to wall in. The reason for a CC is:

- you need the supply for BC that take mucho mucho food
- you need gas and CC don't take too much
- cc is low tech so you are not giving away your strat (extremely important)
- cc has much more hp than supply depot. Don't use supply for wallin; that's what noobs do.

2) stop producing scv (that's the peon stopping i was talking about). Keep making command centers, completing your wallin and getting supply.

3) build barracks, factory, then immediately build 5 starports. The reason is you'll get BC five times faster this way, which is smart. By the time your nerd facility with star trek add-on will finish, you should have the gas to get all 5 BCs (timing is essential in this build)

4) by that time, your opponent may try a risky rush. lift your command centers and micro them back and forth the way you micro goons vs marines, it should buy you enough time to defend with the BCs (in the right hands, 5 BCs own 6 zerglings)

5) research yamato gun

6) start yamato harassing his base. The key is: scan, choose a larva, "y". The BCs will swoop in and anihilate that larva. From my experience, NO amount of micro can save a larva targetted by 5 yamatos. That's what make this build so strong... Retreat immediately to your base or a cliff.

7) rinse and repeat: the reason is, when you have killed all 3 larvae, THEY CANNOT PRODUCE STUFF, meaning you win !

Stuff to watch

-scourges: easy counter. Just yamato the buggers

-blimps: tricky. Scan and clone-yamato the interceptor. Try not to use more than 2 yamatos on a single interceptor

-defilers: they can't hurt you. Scorpions hit with their tail, and you are cruising in hyperspace and shit.

-firebats: those bad guys OWN mutas AND BCs because of +1 armor and stim. If he gets firebats, just mass scvs from all your command centers and overwhelm him with sheer number.

-sometimes after a few battles your BCs get covered by blue lightning or red goo. That means respectively that there's been a short circuit or too much rust. Time to recycle. Go over a cliff and make them yamato one another so that your opponent don't get the exp.

-high templars: those can harm you only if they morph into an archon. Don't mind them.

With a little bit of practice, you should get the coveted "5 stars" in you battlenet profile, definitely proving you are not an average player anymore...

Hope this helps newbie players out there.

On December 20 2004 03:48 gricha wrote:


Exalted is actually right but the problem is many average terran players don't know how to rush to BC the way gosu people do. Let me try to write...

... The definitive BC rush Build Order

The key is pretty tricky for average players: peon stopping, sacrificing econ to get shit faster.

1)build scv until 10/10, build gas, put 5 scv to gas, then wait for 400 min and build a command center at your choke to wall in. The reason for a CC is:

- you need the supply for BC that take mucho mucho food
- you need gas and CC don't take too much
- cc is low tech so you are not giving away your strat (extremely important)
- cc has much more hp than supply depot. Don't use supply for wallin; that's what noobs do.

2) stop producing scv (that's the peon stopping i was talking about). Keep making command centers, completing your wallin and getting supply.

3) build barracks, factory, then immediately build 5 starports. The reason is you'll get BC five times faster this way, which is smart. By the time your nerd facility with star trek add-on will finish, you should have the gas to get all 5 BCs (timing is essential in this build)

4) by that time, your opponent may try a risky rush. lift your command centers and micro them back and forth the way you micro goons vs marines, it should buy you enough time to defend with the BCs (in the right hands, 5 BCs own 6 zerglings)

5) research yamato gun

6) start yamato harassing his base. The key is: scan, choose a larva, "y". The BCs will swoop in and anihilate that larva. From my experience, NO amount of micro can save a larva targetted by 5 yamatos. That's what make this build so strong... Retreat immediately to your base or a cliff.

7) rinse and repeat: the reason is, when you have killed all 3 larvae, THEY CANNOT PRODUCE STUFF, meaning you win !

Stuff to watch

-scourges: easy counter. Just yamato the buggers

-blimps: tricky. Scan and clone-yamato the interceptor. Try not to use more than 2 yamatos on a single interceptor

-defilers: they can't hurt you. Scorpions hit with their tail, and you are cruising in hyperspace and shit.

-firebats: those bad guys OWN mutas AND BCs because of +1 armor and stim. If he gets firebats, just mass scvs from all your command centers and overwhelm him with sheer number.

-sometimes after a few battles your BCs get covered by blue lightning or red goo. That means respectively that there's been a short circuit or too much rust. Time to recycle. Go over a cliff and make them yamato one another so that your opponent don't get the exp.

-high templars: those can harm you only if they morph into an archon. Don't mind them.

With a little bit of practice, you should get the coveted "5 stars" in you battlenet profile, definitely proving you are not an average player anymore...

Hope this helps newbie players out there.

On December 15 2004 23:48 Never Post wrote:
You can micro MnM ^_^

On December 21 2004 16:54 evanthebouncy wrote:
If only bat is normal dmg...
that would be too crazy :no:

On December 16 2004 00:36 wakiki wrote:
Fbats are also alot better vs. Muta, since they can take more hits.

On December 04 2023 20:45 iloveav wrote:
It took 19 years for this to happen?

I guess we will talk again in 2042 about how we found a second game.

On December 05 2023 13:12 Manifesto7 wrote:
Evan with the legendary grudge hold.