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StaSiS
Profile Joined February 2004
United States147 Posts
July 30 2004 09:28 GMT
#1
Im recently started to play some TvT; before, I had played PvT. Can somebody please tell me some basic TvT BOs, counters, unit selection choices, etc? thx a lot
pheered.user
Profile Joined March 2003
United States2603 Posts
July 30 2004 09:33 GMT
#2
tanks own, dont ever go 1fact CC this is all the advice i have

also+2 on tank weapons = 2shot death vs other tanks which i think is important, i dont see alot of terrans get it either
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ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
July 30 2004 09:37 GMT
#3
what's the best counter for 1 fac cc? dropship?
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LastDoomZerg
Profile Joined May 2004
Korea (South)104 Posts
July 30 2004 10:01 GMT
#4
just try to take the map control
What i do on lost temple as long as the opponenet does wraith is to try to contain him with my first two tanks.(upgrade siege fast)

on namja iyagi i wraith
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t3h.sWaRm
Profile Joined July 2004
United States202 Posts
July 30 2004 11:08 GMT
#5
dropships r very important and dont forget turrets!
User_2
Profile Joined March 2004
Russian Federation1020 Posts
July 30 2004 11:28 GMT
#6
Some basic strats to TvT that i know of are: 2 port wraith, 2 fac tank, 2 fac vult (mine + speed), goli drop. 1 fac cc is questionable in TvT because it allows your opponent to contain you that much easier if he went 2 fac tank. 2 port wraith is probably my favorite build. It doesn't do alot of damage, but it's effective in stopping drops and altering your opponents build. If he was going 2 fac tank, hes going to need to add an armory or engineering bay, and than turrets/goli after. Both alternatives get massacred by tank/wraith (mostly tank in beginning). The basic flow of the match when i play (2 port wraith is the build i use usually): Attack with wraith -> expand -> move out with 2-3 tanks + scvs -> contain -> expand -> expand -> expand -> etc. I generally tend to be very passive in this matchup and try to get as much of a defensive advantage as i can. To attack a defensive terran you need at the least, twice as many troops, or ridiculous micro.
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RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
July 30 2004 12:49 GMT
#7
wraiths counter tanks. goliaths counter wraiths. turrets counter dropships. study this and you will become great.
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Null_hk
Profile Joined November 2003
China318 Posts
July 30 2004 13:09 GMT
#8
On July 30 2004 20:28 User_2 wrote:
Some basic strats to TvT that i know of are: 2 port wraith, 2 fac tank, 2 fac vult (mine + speed), goli drop. 1 fac cc is questionable in TvT because it allows your opponent to contain you that much easier if he went 2 fac tank. 2 port wraith is probably my favorite build. It doesn't do alot of damage, but it's effective in stopping drops and altering your opponents build. If he was going 2 fac tank, hes going to need to add an armory or engineering bay, and than turrets/goli after. Both alternatives get massacred by tank/wraith (mostly tank in beginning). The basic flow of the match when i play (2 port wraith is the build i use usually): Attack with wraith -> expand -> move out with 2-3 tanks + scvs -> contain -> expand -> expand -> expand -> etc. I generally tend to be very passive in this matchup and try to get as much of a defensive advantage as i can. To attack a defensive terran you need at the least, twice as many troops, or ridiculous micro.



ive always failed at making wraith..

perhaps u could teach me on a replay??
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NeverTheEndlessWiz
Profile Joined November 2003
Singapore827 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-07-30 14:29:43
July 30 2004 14:28 GMT
#9
On July 30 2004 18:37 ejai63 wrote:
what's the best counter for 1 fac cc? dropship?


a simple 2 fact vult rush or 2 fact 2 vul 2 gol rush provided ur floating rax sees it in time and do some delaying by landing on the expo spot

also remember if the other terran builds it in his main and floats it to the expo, this will cost him 20 to 30 secs which is almost half a CC! this means u can catch up somehow if u just use one vult to kill the SCV killing the CC while expoing straight urself (assuming u started with 2 fact)

if he builds it on the expo spot straight of coz he's asking for it =P

timing =O
Retired Brood War player / WCG SG Top 8 for 2002, 2003, 2004, retired, then made minor comeback to Top 8 at 2008. 2009 = bleh xD
RiSE
Profile Joined April 2004
United States3182 Posts
July 30 2004 14:32 GMT
#10
A general TvT tip I can come up with off the top of my head is that the gayest player wins.
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RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
July 30 2004 16:02 GMT
#11
dont be afraid to build random turrets to contain your opponent. its not like you should ever be poor in minerals anyway
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Million
Profile Joined April 2004
United States559 Posts
July 30 2004 16:11 GMT
#12
TvT is hard, today this guy did a one Factory tank build and just turtled in his base and got BCs and owned me. So wanna cry ><
HeaT
Profile Joined June 2004
Germany325 Posts
July 30 2004 16:11 GMT
#13
TvT is all about mapcontrol so always place turrets or mines all over the map so u can see his every move. fast contains are always fun since u have the biggest chance of winning then. however when u do this dont forget to place turrets or mines otherwise his drops might be deadly. aslong as u defend all your expands with allot of def(yes lame but it works) just expand expand expand and keep him contained and mass, its boring but thats tvt
LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
July 30 2004 16:56 GMT
#14
Turrets up everywhere possible. Your mineral will sky rocket after one or two expansions. And dont be like me, remember to get gas at your expansion.
scGhost
Profile Joined December 2002
Poland168 Posts
July 30 2004 18:52 GMT
#15
Gas is everything in TvT, turret all over the world, mass tank, mass scv, mass expo... thats TvT
SCV is the key! ....
Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
July 30 2004 21:09 GMT
#16
2 fac expo/2 fac drop expo - collecting dropships, drop game with lots of mech, usually. secure other main, contain opponent, make some random turrets, especially random turrets and contain vs tank/wraith if you pull it off.

fac port or fac port port into expo - usually you see what opponent has, harass with wraith early or not while making 1 fac tank, cc and switching to factories or tank/wraith, unless opponent makes fast expo of same build where 1 fac mass port can work

fast expo - expand fast with turret/siege tank and then go into mech(usually) or "suprise" mass wraith(good vs tank/wraith users who get expo after you and then you can catch them off guard with wraith before they switch to mech)

variations/suprise builds - 2 fac gol or vult and then add 2 ports for wraith.

I didnt say what dies to what because every game is different and writing longass essays on each minor build is pointless. Just shared few opening ideas.
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Pob
Profile Joined February 2004
880 Posts
July 30 2004 21:21 GMT
#17
remember to keep a strong caffinated drink handy , you may fall asleep , lines of tanks and turrets... im yawning already
Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
July 30 2004 21:23 GMT
#18
On July 31 2004 06:21 Pob wrote:
remember to keep a strong caffinated drink handy , you may fall asleep , lines of tanks and turrets... im yawning already


you mean "Remember to piss before playing a TvT. Good TvT player always has food and drinks near comp in case of a long bc/turret/tank 1 hour+ game"? ^^
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Pob
Profile Joined February 2004
880 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-07-30 21:34:01
July 30 2004 21:30 GMT
#19
lol nah piss in a cup then if you get thirsty 2 hours down the track (in the same game) you can refresh yourself

anyway i guess i should answer this question... i always go random cos its more fun and i like it when they get pissed off when i wont select a race...if it ends up tvt ill go 3 port wraitha or marine rush , i dont often do many long tvt because if i have a long tvt i could have had 2-3 GG's in other matches by that time , know what i mean
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
July 30 2004 21:36 GMT
#20
lol tvt is gay
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