EPThere it is
p.s. i know i was kinda confused on what to do after my 1 gate. i usually do 2 gate, but trying out 1 gate on terran.
edit: sorry for the 'loose'.... i was in a rush...
[H] How did i loose this game?
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BlissX1
United States328 Posts
here it is p.s. i know i was kinda confused on what to do after my 1 gate. i usually do 2 gate, but trying out 1 gate on terran. edit: sorry for the 'loose'.... i was in a rush... | ||
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MrHickoryHam55
United States2 Posts
ur 1-gate cyber was standard, and u transitioned into 2 gate. then, u should go obs, which is standard vs terran. 2. u expanded too late. he went siege expand, which means he is basically turtling in his base until he can get his expo running. use this time to gain 1-2 bases depending on how u see fit. but at least expand ONCE. 3. u kept ur army still u basically camped ur army in ur base until he came with the tanks. but then again, u would have lost anyway because ur econ was bad (didnt have enough min, so could not make more gates and units) 4. u suicided ur initial force. STOP TRYING TO ATTACK UP THE RAMP. its called siege expand because u cant touch the tanks without a clever bulldog, which u didnt have. keep the goons and stuff across the bridge outside of his main. this confines ur opp while u expand and tech up safely. probly more experienced players will add more critiques, but this is my two cents. good luck  | ||
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BlissX1
United States328 Posts
On December 04 2009 22:22 MrHickoryHam55 wrote: 1. u had no build order ur 1-gate cyber was standard, and u transitioned into 2 gate. then, u should go obs, which is standard vs terran. 2. u expanded too late. he went siege expand, which means he is basically turtling in his base until he can get his expo running. use this time to gain 1-2 bases depending on how u see fit. but at least expand ONCE. 3. u kept ur army still u basically camped ur army in ur base until he came with the tanks. but then again, u would have lost anyway because ur econ was bad (didnt have enough min, so could not make more gates and units) 4. u suicided ur initial force. STOP TRYING TO ATTACK UP THE RAMP. its called siege expand because u cant touch the tanks without a clever bulldog, which u didnt have. keep the goons and stuff across the bridge outside of his main. this confines ur opp while u expand and tech up safely. probly more experienced players will add more critiques, but this is my two cents. good luck lol the build order im totaly sure about it, cause i had that reaver lol..... and i was totally confused plus here on teh west coast it is 5 am.....i played it at 4 am and many other gamesbefore that... it hink im a tired 15 year old boy | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
1. Your scouting probe didn't actually go up the ramp and scout, even though he had a hole in the wall 2. You lost the initial force of 2 dragoons and a zealot (maybe more actually) 3. 4 gates and reaver harrass off 1 base - not economically viable, your expo comes way too late, so he can contain you from just 2-3 factories. | ||
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Blyf
Denmark408 Posts
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
You lost your army carelessly to your opponent outside his/her base. He was seige expanding, there was no way you were going to break that. When I see a Terran seige expand I normally expand (sometimes twice depending on the situation) myself (remember you need to have one more base than Terran), you also expanded late. Also, and this is very important, you need to keep making probes, I noticed that you stopped very early, don't stop. The reason being when you expand you want to be able to transfer probes so you can get your expansion running quicker while still having saturation in your main. You went 4 gates and reaver? Not on one base buddy. You also lost your reaver near the end when it could have been microed. You could have also brought it back to defend your base considered all he had was tanks. In the end he just ran you over because your expansion was late, you had no money to pump units. I think you should learn the basics before you go into reaver play. Get a solid game down first and learn how to macro. Hope that helps. | ||
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Slugbreath
Sweden201 Posts
Also, check some of the useful tips listed on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60601 Best of luck! | ||
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BlissX1
United States328 Posts
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
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irishash
United States285 Posts
On December 05 2009 03:31 d(O.o)a wrote: If you knew all this why did you ask? and the proper spelling is lose. lmao seriously... you listed like 3 things you already knew you did wrong, which are the basics needed to win 95% of games. sometimes it helps more to figure out what you did wrong yourself and why it's wrong rather than rely on people to baby you through. | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On December 04 2009 22:24 Necr0matis wrote: then why would you ask for help on a replay not representational of your real skill. and i looked at it. your build order is totally wrong. im totaly sure about it. the reaver doesn't mean jack.lol the build order im totaly sure about it, cause i had that reaver lol..... and i was totally confused plus here on teh west coast it is 5 am.....i played it at 4 am and many other gamesbefore that... it hink im a tired 15 year old boy | ||
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fanatacist
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
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Fixed
United States174 Posts
P.S. u lost the game cuz u have no clue what ur doing....not cuz it was late at night. | ||
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hixhix
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BlissX1
United States328 Posts
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hixhix
1158 Posts
On December 05 2009 13:05 Necr0matis wrote: u guys are just gr8 guys. i just wanted other peoples ideas on this..... seems it was too much to ask...... Close? What're other ideas you want to know about? All have been said, your bo is wrong, your economy is bad, your decisions are bad, you are making excuses while refuting others' comments, you are bad in general. | ||
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pRo9aMeR
595 Posts
On December 05 2009 13:05 Necr0matis wrote: u guys are just gr8 guys. i just wanted other peoples ideas on this..... seems it was too much to ask...... Close? Would it be too much to ask of you to read other related posts and liquipedia to get other people's ideas on how you (protoss in general) lose games instead of doing what you did here which is...fail. Close? How about not ever opening in the first place. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On December 05 2009 13:05 Necr0matis wrote: u guys are just gr8 guys. i just wanted other peoples ideas on this..... seems it was too much to ask...... Close? If you want the opinion of others, it's generally a good idea to give those opinions some respect, rather than giving excuses, shrugging them off, or just saying "no, I'm sure I'm right." Once you get past that, a "thank you" might be appropriate. The help you get is directly related to how well you follow the rules (your OP is below the quality guidelined in the Strategy forum rules), and how much you respect the opinions of others in the thread. | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
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LeoTheLion
China958 Posts
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On December 04 2009 22:22 MrHickoryHam55 wrote: its called siege expand because u cant touch the tanks without a clever bulldog You're wrong here, it's called siege expand because you get siege mode while expanding. | ||
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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
byr. | ||
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On December 05 2009 18:25 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: the bear eyes another customer. says "dibs".Watch a ton of replays. See what works, then try to begin to understand it. byr. edit: realized you aren't incontrol... ultralisks icons confuse me. | ||
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Misrah
United States1695 Posts
But i will give you this advice: GET SOME HUMILITY | ||
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On December 05 2009 18:57 redtooth wrote: the bear eyes another customer. says "dibs". LOL I can kinda picture incontrol in a crappy checkered suit chasing down newbies with his card...just like those shady accident lawyers. Instead of patrolling the hospital, he hovers around the strat forum...lol | ||
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
On December 04 2009 22:22 MrHickoryHam55 wrote: + Show Spoiler + 1. u had no build order ur 1-gate cyber was standard, and u transitioned into 2 gate. then, u should go obs, which is standard vs terran. 2. u expanded too late. he went siege expand, which means he is basically turtling in his base until he can get his expo running. use this time to gain 1-2 bases depending on how u see fit. but at least expand ONCE. 3. u kept ur army still u basically camped ur army in ur base until he came with the tanks. but then again, u would have lost anyway because ur econ was bad (didnt have enough min, so could not make more gates and units) 4. u suicided ur initial force. STOP TRYING TO ATTACK UP THE RAMP. its called siege expand because u cant touch the tanks without a clever bulldog, which u didnt have. keep the goons and stuff across the bridge outside of his main. this confines ur opp while u expand and tech up safely. probly more experienced players will add more critiques, but this is my two cents. good luck great 1st post, i concur | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On December 04 2009 22:22 MrHickoryHam55 wrote: 1. u had no build order ur 1-gate cyber was standard, and u transitioned into 2 gate. then, u should go obs, which is standard vs terran. 2. u expanded too late. he went siege expand, which means he is basically turtling in his base until he can get his expo running. use this time to gain 1-2 bases depending on how u see fit. but at least expand ONCE. 3. u kept ur army still u basically camped ur army in ur base until he came with the tanks. but then again, u would have lost anyway because ur econ was bad (didnt have enough min, so could not make more gates and units) 4. u suicided ur initial force. STOP TRYING TO ATTACK UP THE RAMP. its called siege expand because u cant touch the tanks without a clever bulldog, which u didnt have. keep the goons and stuff across the bridge outside of his main. this confines ur opp while u expand and tech up safely. probly more experienced players will add more critiques, but this is my two cents. good luck mrhickoryham55 is our new strarcraft strategy expert | ||
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Pepsi14
Canada2 Posts
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BlissX1
United States328 Posts
Thanx alot anyway everyone. i really appreciated this. I have been trying to find out what im doing SO wrong wiht these pushes. They cause the most trouble. | ||
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
On December 05 2009 04:06 fanatacist wrote: Necosarius you are doing the typical teenager thing and asking for advice but at the same time trying to refute the things that people tell you. Stop, accept that you messed up and that you are not good, and the advice in the thread will help you if you just accept it and stop making excuses. In other words, grow up, and your game will get better. Please don't confuse me with the OP  | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On December 05 2009 21:27 Pepsi14 wrote: Fixed u need to calm down dude. Its just a game and hes tryin to learn so chill out Don't worry about fixed, he is iscout4u fyi | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
this hurts my eyes | ||
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29 fps
United States5725 Posts
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Papvin
Denmark610 Posts
On December 09 2009 10:20 29 fps wrote: most 15 yr olds from the US can spell "lose", right? No. Most ppl can't spell lose right. Including native english speakers. | ||
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Equaoh
Canada427 Posts
On December 05 2009 22:47 Necr0matis wrote: me calm down? well im sorry if my 'writing tone' was bad towards alls of yeese, but like really i just wanted some advice on that single game. I felt that i really actually shouldn't have lost that game. That is why i made this post to more over verify that this is why i lost. I also thought that what mrhickoryham55 did was really a good format. They should have a rep review page where ppl can post reps and people break down what didn't go so swell. Thanx alot anyway everyone. i really appreciated this. I have been trying to find out what im doing SO wrong wiht these pushes. They cause the most trouble. Advice on a single, poorly played out game isn't going to help as much as critically rewatching your replay and comparing what you did to more viable strategies (such as you can find on Liquipedia). Seems like mrhickoryham pointed out stuff you would see if you didn't just mass game + expect the strategy forum to take care of the rest. /rage Omg the 'loose' in title bothers me so much. | ||
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Hacksaw11
Australia359 Posts
how about you play at 8pm and then send a replay here where your not confused? | ||
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BlissX1
United States328 Posts
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
On December 11 2009 18:12 Saturnize wrote: Jeez why are people flaming this kid... Its like he committed murder. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=106788 and is D-. | ||
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Saturnize
United States2473 Posts
On December 11 2009 18:47 resonance wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=106788 and is D-. Thats just mean lmao... | ||
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