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[H] How did i loose this game?

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BlissX1
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States328 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 08:50:54
December 04 2009 12:53 GMT
#1
My mechanics overall were subaverage for me by a lot, but how did i really loose this game? can someone please break this game down for me? and help me figure out how i lost this?
here it is
p.s. i know i was kinda confused on what to do after my 1 gate. i usually do 2 gate, but trying out 1 gate on terran.

edit: sorry for the 'loose'.... i was in a rush...
XtremeOneZ 4 Life Bliss[x.1]
MrHickoryHam55
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2 Posts
December 04 2009 13:22 GMT
#2
1. u had no build order

ur 1-gate cyber was standard, and u transitioned into 2 gate. then, u should go obs, which is standard vs terran.

2. u expanded too late.

he went siege expand, which means he is basically turtling in his base until he can get his expo running. use this time to gain 1-2 bases depending on how u see fit. but at least expand ONCE.

3. u kept ur army still

u basically camped ur army in ur base until he came with the tanks. but then again, u would have lost anyway because ur econ was bad (didnt have enough min, so could not make more gates and units)

4. u suicided ur initial force.

STOP TRYING TO ATTACK UP THE RAMP. its called siege expand because u cant touch the tanks without a clever bulldog, which u didnt have. keep the goons and stuff across the bridge outside of his main. this confines ur opp while u expand and tech up safely.

probly more experienced players will add more critiques, but this is my two cents.

good luck
BlissX1
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States328 Posts
December 04 2009 13:24 GMT
#3
On December 04 2009 22:22 MrHickoryHam55 wrote:
1. u had no build order

ur 1-gate cyber was standard, and u transitioned into 2 gate. then, u should go obs, which is standard vs terran.

2. u expanded too late.

he went siege expand, which means he is basically turtling in his base until he can get his expo running. use this time to gain 1-2 bases depending on how u see fit. but at least expand ONCE.

3. u kept ur army still

u basically camped ur army in ur base until he came with the tanks. but then again, u would have lost anyway because ur econ was bad (didnt have enough min, so could not make more gates and units)

4. u suicided ur initial force.

STOP TRYING TO ATTACK UP THE RAMP. its called siege expand because u cant touch the tanks without a clever bulldog, which u didnt have. keep the goons and stuff across the bridge outside of his main. this confines ur opp while u expand and tech up safely.

probly more experienced players will add more critiques, but this is my two cents.

good luck



lol the build order im totaly sure about it, cause i had that reaver lol..... and i was totally confused plus here on teh west coast it is 5 am.....i played it at 4 am
and many other gamesbefore that... it hink im a tired 15 year old boy
XtremeOneZ 4 Life Bliss[x.1]
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
December 04 2009 13:39 GMT
#4
Some blatant mistakes.

1. Your scouting probe didn't actually go up the ramp and scout, even though he had a hole in the wall

2. You lost the initial force of 2 dragoons and a zealot (maybe more actually)

3. 4 gates and reaver harrass off 1 base - not economically viable, your expo comes way too late, so he can contain you from just 2-3 factories.



Blyf
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Denmark408 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-04 13:40:37
December 04 2009 13:40 GMT
#5
Disappointing opening post. Read the rules before posting in the strat forum
"ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" - Charles Darwin --- wtf? begets isn't a word. quit trying to make up words, fuckface. - Some idiot --- D3 Evelynn main with a side of Ashe/Tristana
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
December 04 2009 13:45 GMT
#6
After watching your replay I was kind of confused. Your one gate core was wrong, build core on 14 instead of 17.

You lost your army carelessly to your opponent outside his/her base. He was seige expanding, there was no way you were going to break that. When I see a Terran seige expand I normally expand (sometimes twice depending on the situation) myself (remember you need to have one more base than Terran), you also expanded late.

Also, and this is very important, you need to keep making probes, I noticed that you stopped very early, don't stop. The reason being when you expand you want to be able to transfer probes so you can get your expansion running quicker while still having saturation in your main.

You went 4 gates and reaver? Not on one base buddy. You also lost your reaver near the end when it could have been microed. You could have also brought it back to defend your base considered all he had was tanks. In the end he just ran you over because your expansion was late, you had no money to pump units.

I think you should learn the basics before you go into reaver play. Get a solid game down first and learn how to macro. Hope that helps.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Slugbreath
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden201 Posts
December 04 2009 14:02 GMT
#7
Not to be rude or anything (I do appologize if that is how this sounds), but howabout checking the Protoss Stategy Pages on Liquipedia? They have quite a few good tips, even if they of course can't comment directly on that specific game you played.

Also, check some of the useful tips listed on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60601

Best of luck!
BlissX1
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States328 Posts
December 04 2009 14:06 GMT
#8
heheh i always get that. i just wanted a list... so i could be sure of it... i know how to fix it.. iw as just tired. imma go to school now good byr
XtremeOneZ 4 Life Bliss[x.1]
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
December 04 2009 18:31 GMT
#9
If you knew all this why did you ask? and the proper spelling is lose.
Hi.
irishash
Profile Joined November 2008
United States285 Posts
December 04 2009 18:36 GMT
#10
On December 05 2009 03:31 d(O.o)a wrote:
If you knew all this why did you ask? and the proper spelling is lose.


lmao seriously... you listed like 3 things you already knew you did wrong, which are the basics needed to win 95% of games. sometimes it helps more to figure out what you did wrong yourself and why it's wrong rather than rely on people to baby you through.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
December 04 2009 18:59 GMT
#11
On December 04 2009 22:24 Necr0matis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2009 22:22 MrHickoryHam55 wrote:
1. u had no build order

ur 1-gate cyber was standard, and u transitioned into 2 gate. then, u should go obs, which is standard vs terran.

2. u expanded too late.

he went siege expand, which means he is basically turtling in his base until he can get his expo running. use this time to gain 1-2 bases depending on how u see fit. but at least expand ONCE.

3. u kept ur army still

u basically camped ur army in ur base until he came with the tanks. but then again, u would have lost anyway because ur econ was bad (didnt have enough min, so could not make more gates and units)

4. u suicided ur initial force.

STOP TRYING TO ATTACK UP THE RAMP. its called siege expand because u cant touch the tanks without a clever bulldog, which u didnt have. keep the goons and stuff across the bridge outside of his main. this confines ur opp while u expand and tech up safely.

probly more experienced players will add more critiques, but this is my two cents.

good luck



lol the build order im totaly sure about it, cause i had that reaver lol..... and i was totally confused plus here on teh west coast it is 5 am.....i played it at 4 am
and many other gamesbefore that... it hink im a tired 15 year old boy
then why would you ask for help on a replay not representational of your real skill. and i looked at it. your build order is totally wrong. im totaly sure about it. the reaver doesn't mean jack.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
December 04 2009 19:06 GMT
#12
Necosarius you are doing the typical teenager thing and asking for advice but at the same time trying to refute the things that people tell you. Stop, accept that you messed up and that you are not good, and the advice in the thread will help you if you just accept it and stop making excuses. In other words, grow up, and your game will get better.
Peace~
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
December 04 2009 19:46 GMT
#13
You didn't "loose" anything.
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
Fixed
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States174 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-05 03:51:24
December 05 2009 03:49 GMT
#14
I wish 15 year olds werent allowed to be online.

P.S. u lost the game cuz u have no clue what ur doing....not cuz it was late at night.
fanatacist likes men.....but mostly boys...and some anal toys. Also his ability to read and understand posts is on par with a slightly retarded meerkat.
hixhix
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1158 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-05 03:58:49
December 05 2009 03:58 GMT
#15
Easy on the little boy, guys. He doesnt know the internet is harsh, let alone the real life
BlissX1
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States328 Posts
December 05 2009 04:05 GMT
#16
u guys are just gr8 guys. i just wanted other peoples ideas on this..... seems it was too much to ask...... Close?
XtremeOneZ 4 Life Bliss[x.1]
hixhix
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1158 Posts
December 05 2009 04:09 GMT
#17
On December 05 2009 13:05 Necr0matis wrote:
u guys are just gr8 guys. i just wanted other peoples ideas on this..... seems it was too much to ask...... Close?


What're other ideas you want to know about? All have been said, your bo is wrong, your economy is bad, your decisions are bad, you are making excuses while refuting others' comments, you are bad in general.
pRo9aMeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
595 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-05 04:15:22
December 05 2009 04:13 GMT
#18
On December 05 2009 13:05 Necr0matis wrote:
u guys are just gr8 guys. i just wanted other peoples ideas on this..... seems it was too much to ask...... Close?


Would it be too much to ask of you to read other related posts and liquipedia to get other people's ideas on how you (protoss in general) lose games instead of doing what you did here which is...fail.

Close? How about not ever opening in the first place.
In training...let's play, gg! d^..^b
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-05 04:55:18
December 05 2009 04:51 GMT
#19
On December 05 2009 13:05 Necr0matis wrote:
u guys are just gr8 guys. i just wanted other peoples ideas on this..... seems it was too much to ask...... Close?

If you want the opinion of others, it's generally a good idea to give those opinions some respect, rather than giving excuses, shrugging them off, or just saying "no, I'm sure I'm right." Once you get past that, a "thank you" might be appropriate.

The help you get is directly related to how well you follow the rules (your OP is below the quality guidelined in the Strategy forum rules), and how much you respect the opinions of others in the thread.
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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
December 05 2009 05:07 GMT
#20
loose
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