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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 25 2009 09:39 GMT
#101
On November 25 2009 15:50 LeoTheLion wrote:
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On November 25 2009 11:05 MuffinDude wrote:
On November 25 2009 10:03 zerglingsfolife wrote:
If you guys get a chance to test any of these ideas, please posts reps and tell about their success. I'm gonna try my next tvz to incorporate some of these ideas, especially since d level zerg often open lurker.


I tested against comps where I was p, I mc a drone and a scv, (using cheats of course) and made lurkers and blinded them. I positioned them right on top and the comp's marine tried to walk up but once they got into my lurker's range of sight, they melted because they were all lined up single filed up the ramp and the spine shot all the way down the ramp. It won't work, and I also put a zergling on top of the lurker and the lurker was shooting spines just fine.


people usually put the lurkers a little above the ramp so there's a little space you can squeeze through.

if not, you can run a fire bat to the back and draw fire, and then kill the lurkers with your marines

What happens if they target?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
cttwalla
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada15 Posts
November 25 2009 10:50 GMT
#102
On November 24 2009 07:17 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
When was the last time you saw a ghost in ZvT?


Today i saw Boxer vs Yellow and there were ghosts lol...
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-25 11:48:35
November 25 2009 11:47 GMT
#103
On November 25 2009 15:50 LeoTheLion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2009 11:05 MuffinDude wrote:
On November 25 2009 10:03 zerglingsfolife wrote:
If you guys get a chance to test any of these ideas, please posts reps and tell about their success. I'm gonna try my next tvz to incorporate some of these ideas, especially since d level zerg often open lurker.


I tested against comps where I was p, I mc a drone and a scv, (using cheats of course) and made lurkers and blinded them. I positioned them right on top and the comp's marine tried to walk up but once they got into my lurker's range of sight, they melted because they were all lined up single filed up the ramp and the spine shot all the way down the ramp. It won't work, and I also put a zergling on top of the lurker and the lurker was shooting spines just fine.


people usually put the lurkers a little above the ramp so there's a little space you can squeeze through.

if not, you can run a fire bat to the back and draw fire, and then kill the lurkers with your marines

Well, as long as the z players put it right on top of the ramp so when it shoots at marines coming up the ramp, it shoots down the ramp, it won't fucking matter.
On November 25 2009 14:11 ArvickHero wrote:
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On November 25 2009 13:05 feuxfollets wrote:
On November 25 2009 09:22 Aurious wrote:
On November 25 2009 09:05 LeoTheLion wrote:
No dude you just walk right past them.

Another use is when you play some zerg who goes slow drop or something just blind the lurkers if your mm micro sucks. Lol!

They still get a small vision left they aren't completely blind


That. If the lurkers are burrowed on top of the ramp, they will still see whatever unit walks right over them when you move your rines up the ramp. Then they shoot spines at the ramp and now all your shit on the ramp is dead. You don't need sight for lurker splash.

So after you flare the lurkers, you can spread your marines and shoot up the ramp. The marines get luxury of attacking first which makes breaking the third and getting a ginormous advantage much easier. Plus, some zergs don't burrow the lurkers right at the ramp, which makes running up the ramp after a flare a possibility.

I expect to see this pimp move happen soon, more likely in a foreigner match *coughTSLcough*

Shooting lurkers up a ramp is suicide and its not like the lurkers won't see you after u start shooting.
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LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
November 25 2009 15:28 GMT
#104
point is some don't put it EXACTLY on top of ramp. it's a little behind. usually there are no zerling there either until later in the game.

also lurkers will only gain vision of marines attacking. when they are blind marines will get first hit.

i would def try this with a friend to see if it works
Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. -Chairman Mao
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 25 2009 20:18 GMT
#105
On November 26 2009 00:28 LeoTheLion wrote:
point is some don't put it EXACTLY on top of ramp. it's a little behind. usually there are no zerling there either until later in the game.

also lurkers will only gain vision of marines attacking. when they are blind marines will get first hit.

i would def try this with a friend to see if it works

Good luck getting past D rank.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
November 26 2009 05:43 GMT
#106
On November 26 2009 00:28 LeoTheLion wrote:
point is some don't put it EXACTLY on top of ramp. it's a little behind. usually there are no zerling there either until later in the game.

also lurkers will only gain vision of marines attacking. when they are blind marines will get first hit.

i would def try this with a friend to see if it works

a. u r playing a d- noob
b. u get first hit but u have a like 30% miss rate (30% rite?), gl killing the lurkers.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Gnarly
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States151 Posts
November 26 2009 06:33 GMT
#107
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
November 26 2009 06:37 GMT
#108
On November 26 2009 15:33 Gnarly wrote:
Wait, would you actually put your lurkers really close to a ramp, knowing tanks can obliterate them with ease? It would be better to put them further back from tank range. This could be enough space to punish a zerg who just put lurkers there. I don't know shit about TvZ, though.

Right next to a ramp and if tanks come, then you move it back. But by then you should be on hive with nydus cannal ready.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
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