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Waffles
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Romania605 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-13 03:29:18
November 13 2009 03:29 GMT
#21
please teach me how to move my units into a push without all of them dying. i will watch your stream every day if i have to. good read btw lol
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9107 Posts
November 13 2009 03:35 GMT
#22
Nice write-up. I'm curious what NonY would say on your insight but it seems solid to me.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-16 16:52:10
November 13 2009 03:37 GMT
#23
double post D:
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 13 2009 03:37 GMT
#24
On November 13 2009 11:09 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2009 03:28 Pokebunny wrote:
Hey awesome now I can use your weaknesses against you tonight~~

edit: not to come off as a bitch or anything lol. This is pretty good; pretty safe; pretty standard.


Glad that worked out for you <3

Btw, you didn't harass me AT ALL... you let me take 5 bases easy. You pretty much played EXACTLY into how I described PvT in this post actually. 1 fac expo, I double expanded, you tried to do a mid-game push. I stopped it. Took more bases. You took a 3rd, but it was too late.

Well I thought I could timing push since you went reaver but you still had some unitz D:
and I was worried about my macro fail mostly lolol... it wasn't the bases, it was the fact that I had 3k when I ggd
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 13 2009 04:00 GMT
#25
On November 13 2009 12:37 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2009 11:09 Xeris wrote:
On November 13 2009 03:28 Pokebunny wrote:
Hey awesome now I can use your weaknesses against you tonight~~

edit: not to come off as a bitch or anything lol. This is pretty good; pretty safe; pretty standard.


Glad that worked out for you <3

Btw, you didn't harass me AT ALL... you let me take 5 bases easy. You pretty much played EXACTLY into how I described PvT in this post actually. 1 fac expo, I double expanded, you tried to do a mid-game push. I stopped it. Took more bases. You took a 3rd, but it was too late.

Well I thought I could timing push since you went reaver but you still had some unitz D:
and I was worried about my macro fail mostly lolol... it wasn't the bases, it was the fact that I had 3k when I ggd


IF YOU READ MY GUIDE.... You would know that I cut probes to get more units because I knew you would try a timing push (which you did). Basically it's just like baiting you into trying to do that timing push because by losing all those units you get REALLY far behind in tank count and such. And ya, you lost like 45654 depots to my reavers.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 13 2009 04:00 GMT
#26
On November 13 2009 12:29 Waffles wrote:
please teach me how to move my units into a push without all of them dying. i will watch your stream every day if i have to. good read btw lol


To be honest - I'm not very good at this yet But watch tomorrow, I'm going to go through some of my reps and such.
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-13 06:59:33
November 13 2009 06:58 GMT
#27
pokebunny needz sum timing push lessonz.

wat time is the bday celebration stream gonna be starting?
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 13 2009 07:17 GMT
#28
3pm tomorrow most likely, ima be leaving work early to prep for it, rararararr.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 13 2009 19:38 GMT
#29
gonna go live with the cast in 15 min
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Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
November 13 2009 20:08 GMT
#30
On November 14 2009 04:38 Xeris wrote:
gonna go live with the cast in 15 min

im working cant watch it
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LeoTheLion
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
China958 Posts
November 13 2009 20:50 GMT
#31
how is this a tutorial? just a bunch of rambling about your pvt
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4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
November 13 2009 21:05 GMT
#32
Its all nice and stuff but in modern tvp just need 2 builds, 12 nex > 2 base arb and 9/9 gate every toss above B does this and its a painshit to beat. 2gate/robo on modern maps fails horribly vs flash style of play or even a delayd fantasy is strong vs it cause you cant denie the expo cause dropships/vult going arround. Cause you delayed your own eco he will get ahead.

A 1000x better build is 2 gate goon > 3 base.
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
November 13 2009 21:06 GMT
#33
A midgame/lategame push can also be helped by HT.

Since you NEVER want to engage a fully settled T army, its always best to catch the army on the move. Set up a wide perimeter and move in from multiple sides. Catch the T off guard and maybe he'll clump up his tanks. Storm it up 2 storms = dead tank
cw)minsean(ru
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 13 2009 21:32 GMT
#34
On November 14 2009 06:05 4Servy wrote:
Its all nice and stuff but in modern tvp just need 2 builds, 12 nex > 2 base arb and 9/9 gate every toss above B does this and its a painshit to beat. 2gate/robo on modern maps fails horribly vs flash style of play or even a delayd fantasy is strong vs it cause you cant denie the expo cause dropships/vult going arround. Cause you delayed your own eco he will get ahead.

A 1000x better build is 2 gate goon > 3 base.


Considering I have 80% winrate PvT at C ranks on my smurf, and have been able to beat C+ players pretty handily recently with my build I think it's pretty damn strong for the level of play I'm catering this guide to.

I have no idea how the dynamic of PvT will change at B ranks... because I'm not a B rank player. I only know what works at my level of play, and this build has been the most effective I've found. Of course, I don't claim that this is 100% the BEST PvT build, but it's what I have had the most success with, and I wanted to share it with others.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 13 2009 21:34 GMT
#35
On November 14 2009 05:50 LeoTheLion wrote:
how is this a tutorial? just a bunch of rambling about your pvt


It's a tutorial because it gives the thought process that I follow, so if you follow my thought process, look at my build (I.E watch the video I just made) you should be able to fundamentally and theoretically have ~C/C+ level PvT just based on this.

Obviously you need to practice execution and have C level gameplay overall, but if you're struggling with PvT this should help from a theoretic standpoint.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 13 2009 21:35 GMT
#36
ANYWAYS: Check my On-Demand section under "Guides" ... I just casted 1.5 hours of replays, went through my build order, and did Q&A. I hope this was helpful to everyone!
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-13 22:03:11
November 13 2009 22:02 GMT
#37
I would like to watch a rep.
Toyotomi
Profile Joined April 2009
United States10 Posts
November 13 2009 22:20 GMT
#38
Thanks a ton for the guide / analysis / Q&A, Xeris! We really appreciate it. It's awesome to be able to watch the session on On Demand, but could you post an exemplary rep for us in this thread? Thanks!
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
November 13 2009 22:42 GMT
#39
I'm gonna post a rep pack tomorrow or something! Just gotta finish compiling it.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
category
Profile Joined July 2009
United States85 Posts
November 13 2009 23:09 GMT
#40
thanks Xeris!
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