EPT[I] Using the scout. - Page 3
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
Maybe starting a pvp game with a FE like versus zerg? Just sain'... | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
On November 09 2009 23:32 ceaRshaf wrote: I think people don't give credit to scouts because they try to implement them in current build orders and strategies, but think of a build order like scouts into carriers build in pvp or pvt. You have to use the stargates and fleet bacon to other uses if you want to make the strategy viable. Maybe starting a pvp game with a FE like versus zerg? Just sain'... ... Scouts and FE in PvP? Are you aware that PvP revolves around dragoons? | ||
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On November 09 2009 23:59 Severedevil wrote: ... Scouts and FE in PvP? Are you aware that PvP revolves around dragoons? Scouts are useless in modern PVP as no one goes for carriers. One cannon and dragoon own every scout. The only time I would consider scouts useful are harassment vs. Zerg or a counter to ed game air units. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
Scouts and FE in PvP? Are you aware that PvP revolves around dragoons? Yes, but do you think that when Bisu invented the build that crusher zergs someone came to him and told him "hey young man, you are aware that pvz revolves around high templars?". It's called thinking out of the box. Of course FE pvp is a lame strategy, or at least i have no argument to sustain it, but the fact that it's not in the current style it's not an argument of it's own to pawn it. The goal would be to go 2 base carriers, and the scouts would have the role to keep the enemy goons in the base with the harras until carriers are out. In the meantime zealots with +1. | ||
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Equaoh
Canada427 Posts
On November 10 2009 01:04 ceaRshaf wrote: Yes, but do you think that when Bisu invented the build that crusher zergs someone came to him and told him "hey young man, you are aware that pvz revolves around high templars?". It's called thinking out of the box. Of course FE pvp is a lame strategy, or at least i have no argument to sustain it, but the fact that it's not in the current style it's not an argument of it's own to pawn it. The goal would be to go 2 base carriers, and the scouts would have the role to keep the enemy goons in the base with the harras until carriers are out. In the meantime zealots with +1. One might go FE but it's generally not worth making strategies at (relatively) low levels that count on your opponent not realizing they could crush you at any point in the early/mid game. But as for scouts, I think you CAN produce them early PvZ (instead of first sair) off of one gate tech. They can tank hydra shots/kill ovies much better than sairs on a 1v1 level. Then timing push while Z is supply blocked. This thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=48673 Ra vs July is mentioned, woo 2007. | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
On November 09 2009 04:48 Nosmo wrote: Lol, this is the same guy who suggested hallucination in pvp. mass halluz on reavers in pvp and your opponent will shit his pants before the battle even begun and he will type out. Thats sounds like an awsome plan ;D. | ||
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
On November 10 2009 01:04 ceaRshaf wrote: Yes, but do you think that when Bisu invented the build that crusher zergs someone came to him and told him "hey young man, you are aware that pvz revolves around high templars?". It's called thinking out of the box. Of course FE pvp is a lame strategy, or at least i have no argument to sustain it, but the fact that it's not in the current style it's not an argument of it's own to pawn it. The goal would be to go 2 base carriers, and the scouts would have the role to keep the enemy goons in the base with the harras until carriers are out. In the meantime zealots with +1. reaver outranges cannons. gg. | ||
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
On November 09 2009 23:19 nicoaldo wrote: but they also require a lot of micro and in late game it gets pretty hard trying to weave stacked air units back and forth while macroing/expanding. and let's not forget you have to be so far ahead to be able to afford 11 scouts + fleet beacon + speed upgrade. i don't want to even start calculating how many resources that takes. and get all this while holding onto your lead, preventing more Z expansions, maintaining your army size. at that point any unit combination can theoretically be powerful with proper micro.Vs Zerg , when you are ahead, stacked scouts with speed are so powerful, you can destroy zerg's economy picking drones left and right, scourge can´t hit you if you patrol-micro, and you kill overlords in one hit. to OP, i went back and read your hallucination thread (the one that got locked). i understand you are trying to be rebellious and take a fresh approach at the matchups but your ideas are pretty bad and aren't new. its not a revolutionary-enough idea that people are willing to consider it just for the sake of novelty nor are they practical enough to warrant discussion. your topics are generally very wordy versions of "hey remember that (unit/spell) that isn't used much? i think it can work! here's a very loose situation where it might." unless you actually come up with a practical application for that new unit, put it into practice, and provide replays of it being put to use, you're gonna be bashed by the forum goers and eventually be banned from the strategy forums by our patron deity Chill. go look at village_idiot's post about queens for a new idea that actually worked out. look at my spire thread for an idea that failed hard but was discussed just because it was really novel. you work hard on your OPs but your ideas aren't there. keep at it, take a fresher approach (not just taking an unused unit and trying to argue its uses) and maybe you actually will discover something new. until then, stop making new [I] threads. | ||
KwarK
United States42691 Posts
On November 10 2009 01:04 ceaRshaf wrote: Yes, but do you think that when Bisu invented the build that crusher zergs someone came to him and told him "hey young man, you are aware that pvz revolves around high templars?". It's called thinking out of the box. Of course FE pvp is a lame strategy, or at least i have no argument to sustain it, but the fact that it's not in the current style it's not an argument of it's own to pawn it. The goal would be to go 2 base carriers, and the scouts would have the role to keep the enemy goons in the base with the harras until carriers are out. In the meantime zealots with +1. If you're building scouts to keep him in base it's not gonna work because goons are half the price and even in a fight so he can make two armies, both capable of defeating your scouts, and leave one at home and attack with one. Plus you're making scouts so your carriers aren't actually being built. Unless you mean just a few scouts in which case I have no idea how you plan to keep him in base with that. If he leaves 2 dragoons at home (which people do vs reaver anyway) those scouts are worthless. Zealots < dragoons and +1 is not especially valuable in PvP. You want it but it's not like +1 zealots PvZ. Nothing about your post make any sense at all. You're going to go the units which don't work out of the building which you need to be not using to win the game while at the same time blocking him with units weak against what he has and getting upgrades that don't change anything. | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
however, scouts will always fulfill the role of mindfucking your opponents  | ||
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
Might be viable on Outsider... air control opens a lot of new expansions. In general, the scout costs enough that you have to get a LOT of out it to make it worthwhile, does no damage in PvT (and is slower than a dropship), dies to scourge in PvZ, and is impotent in goon-heavy PvP. Making it cost-effective is very difficult. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Impervious
Canada4200 Posts
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whoseline
Canada29 Posts
On November 08 2009 18:08 HaXXspetten wrote: If you want to see how to use the scout; then check out: ForGG vs Kal at the start of the video: "please don't let my MSL VODs and Proleague embed into TeamLiquid -BaeZZi" (aka Jon747). is there a feud between TL and Jon747, or just a simple matter of "not wanting videos embedded on other sites"? i think i've seen some of his videos embedded in some topics in TL... | ||
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Coca Cola Classic
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
We've gone over this before... | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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Gnarly
United States151 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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