ok i just played a zvt and got raped pretty badly...i went
mutas and he went gols//tanks i switched to lurk drop after making 6 mutas for harass(shitty job though t.t) and then just pumped lurk ling...unofrtunately this got owned so i got darkswarm which saved me some time and then right when i got ultras he owned me and i had no supporting units...what is the best way to counter the gol//tank combo

Taguchi

Greece1575 Posts

January 18 2004 07:48 GMT

Pure mutas, you'll probably win if you're equally or even a bit less skilled than your opponent...

suffeli

Finland772 Posts

January 18 2004 08:37 GMT

Heh! I just played a game like that against a zerg. I wonder if it was me. I finished him of with 3 nukes at the lower left island on temple

Anyway... it really depends what kind of build does the terran make. You have to take advantage of the lack of mobility (excluding vultures) that terran mech has and expand lots. Secure expansions with 1 sunken / lurker to avoid annoying vultures. Also try to have a good amount of mutas at anytime to counter ledge gol/tank drops.

Fast expanding terran is vunerable to lurkers and hydras. Be careful with pure mutas: gols supported with valks can devastate them and also your overlords. I would go 2 evo ling upgrades/mutacombo to ultras and own.

Have fun!

ToKoreaWithLove

Norway10161 Posts

January 18 2004 09:35 GMT

2 gas muta > 1 base (3 fac) gol. After that he can affort valks and your mutas is useless. Ling lurker is no good.

FakeSteve[TPR]

Valhalla18444 Posts

January 18 2004 11:31 GMT

Seems to me that Lurkers are to kill M+M.

Also seems to me that ling/hydra/muta -> crackling ultra would own metal =\

Don't know though

Deleted User 3420

24492 Posts

January 18 2004 12:03 GMT

muta to hydra to muta to hydra

= win

Terross

United States878 Posts

January 18 2004 13:07 GMT

k thankx a bunch...^^

surv

Belgium337 Posts

January 18 2004 15:12 GMT

Dont listen to these newbies they dont know what they are talking about. msg me @ IownandiLLhelpu@yahoo.com

Ok that was a joke. Definitly go for the spire.

SillyCat

United States960 Posts

January 18 2004 17:52 GMT

if he neglects to mix very many tank in, powered hydra will do some good.

beanmachine

United States115 Posts

January 18 2004 18:06 GMT

#10

If you see the terran going factories armory early just go den -> mass hydra. Start attacking around 8-12 hydra and you should be able to do a lot of damage before he can get enough tanks to stop you. At that point you should have a good containment and expansions going up. Often you can win with the initial hydras. I saw a VOD recently of boxer going metal and getting owned by mass hydra.

SoMuchBetter

Australia10606 Posts

January 18 2004 21:36 GMT

#11

massive muta and speedlings that are evo upgraded. Get cracks after you get some expos then go ultra :O

amat

United States1788 Posts

January 19 2004 02:34 GMT

#12

Muta if you have very good control and macro, otherwise muta/hydra (no lurks). Don't make lings. Use those mins to make another hat (at expo).

Liquid`Oaral

162 Posts

January 19 2004 04:08 GMT

#13

against metal just epxand and mass any half-decent unit and you win.

X)Benny

France1270 Posts

January 20 2004 07:53 GMT

#14

mass queen, mass broodling

SpuniasauR

Australia1500 Posts

January 21 2004 02:55 GMT

#15

i personally get owned by masssssss- hydra when i go mech (which is often cuz i hate m&m. apart from that keep terrans econ down, mech is expensive! o yeh and it might be just me but when a T goes mech its easier for them to expand, they have plenty of tanks, maybe then can mine the place up a bit (although u dont see tooo many vults late game cept for min line harass) and goli's are good and mobile and u dont have to worry about them AS much as m&m.
so be careful he doesnt contain u and power hard with a few more expands than a T usually does against a z.

and suffeli, what sort of temple do u play on? with an island in the bottom left corner :p keke

GoSexyPerli

United States1072 Posts

January 21 2004 13:09 GMT

#16

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ObsoleteLogic

United States3676 Posts

January 21 2004 13:57 GMT

#17

defilers > metal

x[ReaPeR]x

United States3447 Posts

January 22 2004 18:19 GMT

#18

Mass Hydra or Muta/Ling are teh most used pro counters.

In my OPINION Hydras are a bit better because they can't make Valkyries to own you and you can contain/maintain map control while expanding and teching to Ultra/Crack.