[I] Dark Archon key to next metagame shift in PvZ? - Page 19

On October 24 2009 02:27 lac29 wrote:
Shield batteries proxy or not in early stage of game to keep corsairs alive?

On October 24 2009 03:07 spinesheath wrote:


Corsairs DIE to scourge. They don't get damaged, they DIE.

On October 24 2009 05:08 Nevuk wrote:

If they only get hit by one, which seems to happen to me a lot, a fully recharged shield would let them take an additional hit, would be repeatable 3 times I think. (80 shields + 100 hp = 180 , - 110 = 70 hp + 80 = 150 - 110 = 40, + 80 = 120 - 110 = 10) no clue if it's really worth it though.

On October 24 2009 18:21 SturmAddict wrote:
Im sorry triple7, but all i see that's been maelstrom'd, was his own units.

Although i did not see a single hydra/mutalisk in the game. which is wierd. Maybe the zerg thought he's against bio or something.

On October 24 2009 21:36 Suc wrote:
One really good use of maelstrom was that I could freeze hordes of hydras and it basically nullify any possibility of storm dodging, allowing me to easily come out on top in confrontations.

On October 24 2009 22:36 Nytefish wrote:


It's a beautiful sight:





I've been trying to include a DA into my C rank games. A nice thing you can try do is hide it in a shuttle, when mutas come in to snipe templars you unload and kill them all for free. The shuttle gives vision over ledges too.

On October 24 2009 21:12 Ota Solgryn wrote:

You think it is easy for zerg to fly around doing muta micro while macroing from three bases? This is something zerg have been doing and practising for many years and therefore have perfected it. So I really think protoss should be able to learn to control ONE unit that has a target spell of 10 range.

And now some of you probably argue, "well zerg can just decide when to attack with muta's but toss have to be aware at all time".
Well, while this might be true, look at ZvT matchup. Here the zerg muta micros nearly all game while macroing often from three bases. So it is certainly possible. Another thing zerg is capable of is being aware of science vessels which can just fly in and snipe defilers etc.

So basically zerg have always had weak units that could be sniped, but has learned to deal with it by having crazy apm, reaction time and awareness.
Why should protoss not be able to do this? Only two arguments:

Either they are just less good (which I really don't think) OR they just have to play 1000 games with e.g. DA's and then they will master them.

On October 25 2009 00:09 errol1001 wrote:


I do think it's possible for protoss to use dark archons, and I do think they should... I think this argument is pretty weak though. There's no comparing science vessels irradiating defilers to mutas sniping templar. Science vessels are slower. They can generally be in much less places of the map - you have a much better chance of knowing where they are. That's because if the terran doesn't want to lose them, they have to be near the globs of marines. Mutas can easily be anywhere on the map, because they don't really fear anything or can run from it (they're fast). So mutas will come in from behind, from the sides, etc to snipe templar. having templar behind your army, or really distinctly on any side of your army gets them killed. Having defilers far back, actually helps them a lot, without mentioning that even when a defiler gets irradiated, they have a good amount of time to do their job.

And I don't know about it being hard to templar snipe 'while macroing'. They really don't have to snipe 'while macroing'. They can build from their hatcheries, and then have plenty of time go sniping before they have 3 larva again. Again, you even brought it up yourself: no comparison with having to be ready to do something all the time.