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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 15 2008 09:43 GMT
#81
On September 14 2008 22:43 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2008 18:51 MYM.Testie wrote:
i.e. if someone is having trouble with templars getting sniped by vultures, you can put the ones with the most mana in a shuttle. If you are having difficulties with defilers getting irradiated, or picked off by tanks / a stimmed group of rines you will need scourge and constant awareness to protect them. And unlike in the protoss scenario you will not likely have dropship ability due to the extreme pressure in ZvT. You could just boil it down to the amount of actions something takes, and it's a lot more actions and clicks to keep them safe.

I'm curious why Zergs don't use overlords (which are usually with their armies no?) in the same way that Protosses would use shuttles to hide their spellcasters.


because zealots and dragoons do just fine on attack move, and zerg units generally don't. at least not in any situation hairy enough that you'd want to hide your defilers in an overlord
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
September 15 2008 09:54 GMT
#82
Plague/Swarm/Consume Combo.


Nobody has mastered it yet, otherwise Zergs would have 4 defilers flying in separate overlords, each stuffed with 6 lings for consume and he would unload every time he needed to and have nonstop swarm/ plague...
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Roxen000
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
1226 Posts
September 15 2008 11:47 GMT
#83
On September 14 2008 16:15 dybydx wrote:
i'd say nukes and blind. i only recall boxer using both at the SAME TIME. (he nuked first, scanned, blinded the obs that was comming in, THEN bring in the sci vessel to emp the nexus.)

or when he blinded 5-6 obs in 1 second, and then brought in the wraiths. that dropped jaws.


I'd say Blind also. I remember that clip when Boxer blinded the obs. Amazing.
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 15 2008 19:27 GMT
#84
On September 15 2008 18:43 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2008 22:43 GrandInquisitor wrote:
On September 14 2008 18:51 MYM.Testie wrote:
i.e. if someone is having trouble with templars getting sniped by vultures, you can put the ones with the most mana in a shuttle. If you are having difficulties with defilers getting irradiated, or picked off by tanks / a stimmed group of rines you will need scourge and constant awareness to protect them. And unlike in the protoss scenario you will not likely have dropship ability due to the extreme pressure in ZvT. You could just boil it down to the amount of actions something takes, and it's a lot more actions and clicks to keep them safe.

I'm curious why Zergs don't use overlords (which are usually with their armies no?) in the same way that Protosses would use shuttles to hide their spellcasters.


because zealots and dragoons do just fine on attack move, and zerg units generally don't. at least not in any situation hairy enough that you'd want to hide your defilers in an overlord


Incorrect. It is actually far more based on economy and the balance of the game.

It is because zerg cannot invest the extra 350/350. 200/200 if overlord move speed is already a given, but 200/200 to a zerg is a lot. Especially with the high pressure applied to zergs in professional level TvZ/PvZ. It is also quite cumbersome as they are more difficult to use than a protosses simple, unload, grab, point, click on biggest gob, kill units, reload if still alive. Defilers have been known to be kept in overlords, it is not unheard of or unseen, but it is a rare and only right in certain situations, and those are rare and usually not worth the 200/200 upgrade to begin with unless you're defiler/lurker/ling dropping to great success.

Every race needs every little dollar they can get to gain an advantage, but zerg have by far the most difficulty finding the balance as they are by far the most exploitable. They aren't allowed the luxury of just pressing S and P every time the cooldown to an SCV/probe is about to reset.
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
September 15 2008 19:39 GMT
#85
I would say Irradiate in a large scale, it's like the same mechanics as Lockdown though.
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Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
September 15 2008 20:01 GMT
#86
On September 14 2008 16:56 G5 wrote:
to actually master, I would say D-Matrix on Marines in TvZ. It must be the right Marine in the right position and quick as hell on the small marine before it dies.

Storm especially in PvT is hard as well since you have to baby sit the HT's in big battles while trying to position your main units correctly. That along with good T's always vulture raiding your army to pick off HT's and tanks target firing them before they are in range of the T (or at least in range of any part of the Terran push worth storming).

D-Web is hard too since it had to completely be in a correct place depending on your units positioning / your opponents units positioning because if you miss-place it, it becomes worthless as fuck as your opponent just runs by it.

Consuming with Defilers causes probs also simply because lings are so small and fast and they run away from the Defilers a lot and it takes some time to actually do it since shifting doesn't work with consume. You have to click each consume one after another and with Z, it takes a lot of time away from managing everything else.

Those are all hard but I would say the Double D's would be the hardest to master. D-Web and D-Matrix.


shifting works with consume
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QuoC
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States724 Posts
September 16 2008 18:04 GMT
#87
plague vs terrans..
cant target middle of army because tank splash will get 'em :p
gogo all in haha
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