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http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/news/8783-item-mania-rejected-kespa-might-take-over-hanbit-stars
+ Show Spoiler +GosuGamers reported five days ago that Hanbitsoft would sell their Hanbit Stars contracts to Item-Mania. Everything seemed to be going well for the team, having the back-up and support, but there was one major detail: The Korean eSports Association (KeSPA) needs to approve each team's head sponsors.
And today, KeSPA had a meeting with about the matter, and they suggest Hanbit Soft to reconsider the contract with Item-Mania and instead hand over the management to KeSPA until the start of the next ProLeague season. But Hanbit Stars did not fully agree with all the details.
KeSPA suggested to Hanbitsoft that they would pay all the current running costs of Hanbit Stars and try to find a new sponsor until the end of September which is when the new season starts. Should KeSPA not be able to find a new sponsor - Hanbit Stars will dissolve. Dissolving the team would result in all the players being drafted to one of the other 10 teams (ACE not included) in order to continue their progaming careers. The head coach is in a tougher predicament, as there is no team for him to jump over to.
A sweet deal, one might think, but Hanbit Stars did not fully agree. The players and the head coach wants the same salary from KeSPA as they would have received from Item-Mania. This is something KeSPA needs to reconsider, and the discussion will continue in the upcoming days.
KeSPA did not accept Item-Mania as sponsors for Hanbit Stars due to Item-Mania's main business, which is dealing with and being the middle-man for items and gear selling in online games. KeSPA says that it is not good for eSports because the general target of eSports is the younger generation.
A professional gaming team needs to be accepted by KeSPA in order to play any tournaments where KeSPA is involved, for instance OnGameNet and MBCGame StarLeague and the ProLeague.
Damn KeSPA
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well it kind of makes sense though based on what kind of business itemmania is
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Agreed with anotak, e-sports wants games that are based on skill and entertainment value for the fans.
Item-Mania's business model seems like it should want games that have a large element of grinding / item-collection.
The two clearly have incentives to be at odds, so it's best to just stop it before it happens.
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I actually sorta agree with kespa, when I heard who stars was gonna get sponsored by i was like wtf
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United States7488 Posts
That's unfortunate. Hopefully Hanbit will be able to find a new sponsor rather than have to dissolve and spread its players to other teams. Some of the B team players might have a difficult time getting onto another team besides.
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God Kespa! Always denying stuff those days... Oh well, good luk hanbit I hope you dont disband
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I agree with KeSPA here, I'm sure they'll find a new sponsor from somewhere, SC should be rising currently so even one of the worst teams should be worth a lot.
Item-Mania seems so shady, isn't it nearly illegal to sell items for real money in some games? :\
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United States12607 Posts
KeSPA is really oppressive.
a) Hanbit stars (or whatever they are now, how about KeSPA's Bitches) need the money.
b) Attacking Item-Mania for profiting from gaming is somewhat...um...hypocritical? Making money from videogames is the only reason KeSPA exists in the first place.
c) So what if Item-Mania sells items? Who cares? The argument that the "younger generation" will somehow be either dissuaded from Starcraft or their love of videogames simply because there exists a way to buy good items in some MMOs is nonsensical.
To anotak and Polemarch: how does Item-Mania's business model interfere with "games that are based on skill and entertainment value?" Noobs that lay down real money for items won't ever hit the eSports scene, and I'm sure that game creators won't start designing games simply to play into Item-Mania's business model ("Oh yeah, let's help another company make money off of our product" doesn't sound too smart, does it?). Bottom line, gamer preference will put crappy games that are solely about grinding out of business and out of eSports.
Even IF there was an argument that Item-Mania somehow degraded eSports, that still doesn't mean it would be right for KeSPA to block the sponsorship. Hanbit needs the money, and the Proleague in general is kind of always in need of sponsors so it's really shocking to see KeSPA shooting itself in the foot like this.
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United States12607 Posts
Edit: this assumes that Item-Mania is a legitimate company which doesn't do illegal business. My limited investigation yields nothing that would make Item-Mania seem illegal or shady in any way.
(can't edit my post due to proxy settings)
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I really think KESPA is being a bit harsh here. It's one thing to disprove of a companies' aqusition of the Hanbit Stars team, but it's another to risk the complete disbanding of that team on something which to me seems so trivial. As others have posted, unless this company is involved in illegal activities, I don't really see much of a problem.
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thedeadhaji
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meh honestly i dont think it has anything to do with "games w/ skill", simply b/c itemmania is a new institution in a VERY new area of making money that isnt as "classy" or "traditional / well-respected" etc which will cause image problems for kespa and esports.
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United States22883 Posts
On August 06 2008 05:52 jwd241224 wrote:
c) So what if Item-Mania sells items? Who cares?
Blizzard cares. Very much.
I think they matter in the world of SC.
EDIT: I'm assuming Item Mania caters to WoW, or else they probably wouldn't make much money anyways. NCSoft is also against selling goods, so the two big Korean MMOs are out.
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Thank god. Good move KeSPA.
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51451 Posts
if i were part of kespa i wouldn't want some mmo selling website owning a once lucrative pro team.
p.s this is more than being a sponsor of a team, this is them buying the team outright.
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how is item mania a bad sponsor because esports targets the younger audience? Item mania targets the younger audience too, ffs. They could bring in a lot of mmo people to sc, and vise versa. Besides, a sponsor is a sponsor, you only deny it if its an embarrassments or unreliable, which item is neither. Kespa is just using this as an excuse to get more control over sc. Fucking assholes.
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Hungary11291 Posts
If there is any critique about Item-Mania's business, it should certainly not be related to being linked with "having a large element of grinding / item-collection.". What kind of game Item-Mania is associated with is secondary.
The factor to consider is the shady existence of in-between dealers at MMORPGs or regular RPGs. They basically deal with virtual value for real money and while the creator of the game cannot do much against them, they are often unwanted guests (I mostly know this from WoW, as these traders often employ farming bots and spam the ingame chats with advertisements). This semi-legal status and the connection to bot usage marks such companies as questionable.
And the final point is, if e-sports is to be furthered, simply buying something that usually takes time and skill to achieve is bad propaganda. E-Sports means practicing hard and working on yourself in order to gain achievements, not simply to punch your credit card number into their side and get the achievements delivered to your doorstep.
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thedeadhaji
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On August 06 2008 06:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:
how is item mania a bad sponsor because esports targets the younger audience? Item mania targets the younger audience too, ffs. They could bring in a lot of mmo people to sc, and vise versa. Besides, a sponsor is a sponsor, you only deny it if its an embarrassments or unreliable, which item is neither. Kespa is just using this as an excuse to get more control over sc. Fucking assholes.
ya it defintiely has nothing to do with "younger audience" etc.
It has everything to do with what others have mentioned here, the shadiness of transactions involving virtual objects and virtual currency and making a business out of it.
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United States22883 Posts
It's not even semi-legal. It's illegal. Blizzard won their lawsuit against bot developers and they shut down farmers all the time. So not only are item/gold sellers part of the black market (oooh black market of video games!) but they are also unreliable because at any moment they could lose millions in gold due to accounts being shut down. Blizzard has done several purges where they ban tens of thousands of accounts at a time.
And I do think the game type is important. MMOs hurt SC and vice versa. Both require large amounts of time and MMOs tend to suck up even casuals, whereas you can be a casual SC fan without devoting your life to it. The MMO crowd is not a good market for esports.
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Hungary11291 Posts
On August 06 2008 06:38 Jibba wrote:
It's not even semi-legal. It's illegal. Blizzard won their lawsuit against bot developers and they shut down farmers all the time. So not only are item/gold sellers part of the black market (oooh black market of video games!) but they are also unreliable because at any moment they could lose millions in gold due to accounts being shut down. Blizzard has done several purges where they ban tens of thousands of accounts at a time. I have no idea about the exact status of legality. My intuition would tell me that the method used for gathering gold and selling it (using bots to farm and spam) is illegal, but that the sale itself (selling ingame gold / items for real life cash) is dubitable but not really illegal. The clause is usually that the deal is not for the ingame items (as those belong to the company running the MMORPG) but for the time spent to acquire them, thus paying the work and not the items / gold.
On August 06 2008 06:38 Jibba wrote:
And I do think the game type is important. MMOs hurt SC and vice versa. Both require large amounts of time and MMOs tend to suck up even casuals, whereas you can be a casual SC fan without devoting your life to it. The MMO crowd is not a good market for esports.
I am not sure if MMOs hurt RTS. WoW for example picked up LOTS of players who never touched a single computer game before. And if those watch WWI by chance and stumble across an entertaining E-Sport like Starcraft - why couldn't people appreciate both things at a time (playing several sports is hard; watching several is easy)?
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What Jibba said.
Imo a good move by KeSPA
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I just hope they find another sponsor so that the team doesn't disband 
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United States22883 Posts
On August 06 2008 06:46 Aesop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 06:38 Jibba wrote:
It's not even semi-legal. It's illegal. Blizzard won their lawsuit against bot developers and they shut down farmers all the time. So not only are item/gold sellers part of the black market (oooh black market of video games!) but they are also unreliable because at any moment they could lose millions in gold due to accounts being shut down. Blizzard has done several purges where they ban tens of thousands of accounts at a time. I have no idea about the exact status of legality. My intuition would tell me that the method used for gathering gold and selling it (using bots to farm and spam) is illegal, but that the sale itself (selling ingame gold / items for real life cash) is dubitable but not really illegal. The clause is usually that the deal is not for the ingame items (as those belong to the company running the MMORPG) but for the time spent to acquire them, thus paying the work and not the items / gold. True, however any sales along with account sharing are forbidden in the EULA. You're totally right though, since EULA isn't law.
I am not sure if MMOs hurt RTS. WoW for example picked up LOTS of players who never touched a single computer game before. And if those watch WWI by chance and stumble across an entertaining E-Sport like Starcraft - why couldn't people appreciate both things at a time (playing several sports is hard; watching several is easy)?
Because it's difficult to appreciate PvP without understanding what's truly going on, and for that to happen requires a lot of time investment. Even with its enormous player base, WoW esports are still extremely minor because the vast majority of players simply don't care about hardcore competition. And I don't think it's possible to be hardcore about SC and WoW at the same time. Take Yellow for example.
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United States12607 Posts
Thinking about it some more, the only way KeSPA can absolve itself here is if Blizzard stepped in and made a power-play requesting that they not allow a company that profits from WoW to own an SC team. That's actually a very likely possibility.
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United States22883 Posts
The "young audience" thing could also be a bad translation. Can any of our awesome resident Korean translators find the real announcement?
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Hungary11291 Posts
Well, I think the "young audience" thing could be argued like this:
1. It is bad to communicate to the young audience that services selling Gold and Items in MMORPGs are acceptable institutions. (see reasoning above why not)
2. Accepting such a service as a sponsor for a Pro-Team communicates that such a service is acceptable.
3. Thus such a service should not sponsor a Pro-Team.
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On August 06 2008 07:37 Aesop wrote:
Well, I think the "young audience" thing could be argued like this:
1. It is bad to communicate to the young audience that services selling Gold and Items in MMORPGs are acceptable institutions. (see reasoning above why not)
2. Accepting such a service as a sponsor for a Pro-Team communicates that such a service is acceptable.
3. Thus such a service should not sponsor a Pro-Team.
Yes.
Buying items for online games has become a sort of social problem in Korea. In games like Kart Rider or whatever, you need to pay actual money to buy items to be competitive. Stories of kids stealing their parent's credit cards and buying shit for their games were getting pretty common a few years ago.
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I know that WoW Gold dealers in China have been linked to malware and spam. It's the same shady part of the internet that includes malware, child porn, online drug sales that should require doctor's approval in most companies (most common example is Viagra), spam, etc.
In fact, I wouldn't suspect it's that much of a stretch to believe that at least some of the people involved in WoW gold are associated with members of various russian mafias as the malware/child porn/spam rings in Russia are.
Not to mention from what I understand, other people's accounts get hacked and then items get stolen that way and resold.
All of these problems online fuel or are fueled by these inter-related things.
And while, ItemMania might be SLIGHTLY more legit than these deals, I still don't trust them.
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Well I trust that ItemMania is a legit company, meaning that they don't deal in MMOs that the games' manufacturers don't approve of, like WoW. I am assuming they are mainly used for the million and a half korean mmos that around, and thats potentially a hugely profitable market. Cause lets face it, if you though WoW was bad with the grinding, you should play some of those damn Korean mmos like lineage and ragnarok (and those are the ones that we get here in the west, i bet the true korean ones are even more hardcore).
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Aww i was really wondering wtf their uniforms and sposer logo would be like lol
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United States22883 Posts
On August 06 2008 08:42 IzzyCraft wrote:
Aww i was really wondering wtf their uniforms and sposer logo would be like lol
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On August 06 2008 08:48 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 08:42 IzzyCraft wrote:
Aww i was really wondering wtf their uniforms and sposer logo would be like lol
Oh god...
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CA10828 Posts
item-mania deals with korean MMOs and not things like WoW.
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God Kepsa, they ruin everything.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On August 06 2008 07:52 pubbanana wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 07:37 Aesop wrote:
Well, I think the "young audience" thing could be argued like this:
1. It is bad to communicate to the young audience that services selling Gold and Items in MMORPGs are acceptable institutions. (see reasoning above why not)
2. Accepting such a service as a sponsor for a Pro-Team communicates that such a service is acceptable.
3. Thus such a service should not sponsor a Pro-Team. Yes. Buying items for online games has become a sort of social problem in Korea. In games like Kart Rider or whatever, you need to pay actual money to buy items to be competitive. Stories of kids stealing their parent's credit cards and buying shit for their games were getting pretty common a few years ago.
hmm at first i was thinking wtf damn kespa but after your post i guess it kinda makes sense o. O
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good for KeSPA. Item mania just didnt fit. hopefully Hanbit stars can get a different, better sponsor.
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dont know what to say
item-mania is not the best option possible but i think is better than separating the team. Hope they find another sponsor!
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Seems a fairly legitimate idea. Farming and shit can partially ruin games and nobody likes that.
...But kespa better follow through
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On August 06 2008 06:23 DeadVessel wrote:
Thank god. Good move KeSPA.
Could not agree more.
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Hanbit is such bad at business, they underpay everyone and need to take the deal.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On August 06 2008 10:12 rushz0rz wrote:
good for KeSPA. Item mania just didnt fit. hopefully Hanbit stars can get a different, better sponsor.
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KeSPA starting to sound a bit like the RIAA
starting to is the operative term
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From some of the sponsers from the OSL and MSL, they're not all attracted to the younger generation...
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I think they are just destroying Esports without actually realizing it.
A sponsor is a sponsor and no matter if its for condoms or for keyboards, if they are willing to give money, then they are worthy sponsor.
damn
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i sort of think kespa did the right move. Itemmania isnt actually the ideal sponsor. My friend bought a sc cd key there and the cd key was already used by someone.
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thedeadhaji
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On August 06 2008 13:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
i sort of think kespa did the right move. Itemmania isnt actually the ideal sponsor. My friend bought a sc cd key there and the cd key was already used by someone.
wow... now that is some revealing shit, if they're THAT shady.
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kespa making demands again like they actually do something
go kespa 
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On August 06 2008 14:07 thedeadhaji wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 13:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
i sort of think kespa did the right move. Itemmania isnt actually the ideal sponsor. My friend bought a sc cd key there and the cd key was already used by someone. wow... now that is some revealing shit, if they're THAT shady.
Lol yeah... well you know they are now brining you W.O.W. gold or something lol really it's a wut 3rd party middle man kinda of service to buy game items for cash or something. Must be really bumping if they could afford to even offer to sponsor a team.
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Criminalizing cheating, hacking and obtaining a virtual advantage through real life monetary transactions are what Blizzard is well known and applauded for, all for the sake of allowing gamers to all exist in a fair environment where skill and personal effort are rewarded.
If you idiots don't understand why a gold/item selling company shouldn't be associated with E-sports, think about how much corruption will take place if people are allowed to pay to get powerleveled on a SC/SC2 online ladder, and allowed to reap the benefits from doing so with no punishment.
If item/gold selling was legalized by Blizzard in WoW, the game would not be as successful as it is today, take a look at games like Lineage II, where their virtual economy is ruined by rampant gold/item sellers.
Most of these RMT MMO companies uses exploits/hacks/bots and or hire dirt cheap labor to gain their virtual wealth. This is not uncommon knowledge either, especially for any Blizzard gamer fans.
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Interference would have had a lot more credibility, had it not been Kespa who made it.
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On August 06 2008 14:53 bubblegumbo wrote:
Criminalizing cheating, hacking and obtaining a virtual advantage through real life monetary transactions are what Blizzard is well known and applauded for, all for the sake of allowing gamers to all exist in a fair environment where skill and personal effort are rewarded.
If you idiots don't understand why a gold/item selling company shouldn't be associated with E-sports, think about how much corruption will take place if people are allowed to pay to get powerleveled on a SC/SC2 online ladder, and allowed to reap the benefits from doing so with no punishment.
If item/gold selling was legalized by Blizzard in WoW, the game would not be as successful as it is today, take a look at games like Lineage II, where their virtual economy is ruined by rampant gold/item sellers.
Most of these RMT MMO companies uses exploits/hacks/bots and or hire dirt cheap labor to gain their virtual wealth. This is not uncommon knowledge either, especially for any Blizzard gamer fans.
Lol are you serious? For the 80 millionth time itemmania and WoW have absolutely nothing to do with each other. They provide a legal service. Just because a bunch of conservative Korean nannie fannies on the kespa board don't like the idea of a homegrown industry thats sprouted from the demand of the gaming community itself, doesn't mean anything. Beyond their name on Uniforms and stuff like that, there is absolutely no link between the type of service item mania does and starcraft. Power leveling a ladder? as if anyone cares about getting high up on some ladder, once you ran into real talent it would be quickly exposed that its a crap account playing. You can't grind winning in an rts.
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On August 06 2008 15:36 RivetHead wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 14:53 bubblegumbo wrote:
Criminalizing cheating, hacking and obtaining a virtual advantage through real life monetary transactions are what Blizzard is well known and applauded for, all for the sake of allowing gamers to all exist in a fair environment where skill and personal effort are rewarded.
If you idiots don't understand why a gold/item selling company shouldn't be associated with E-sports, think about how much corruption will take place if people are allowed to pay to get powerleveled on a SC/SC2 online ladder, and allowed to reap the benefits from doing so with no punishment.
If item/gold selling was legalized by Blizzard in WoW, the game would not be as successful as it is today, take a look at games like Lineage II, where their virtual economy is ruined by rampant gold/item sellers.
Most of these RMT MMO companies uses exploits/hacks/bots and or hire dirt cheap labor to gain their virtual wealth. This is not uncommon knowledge either, especially for any Blizzard gamer fans. Lol are you serious? For the 80 millionth time itemmania and WoW have absolutely nothing to do with each other. They provide a legal service. Just because a bunch of conservative Korean nannie fannies on the kespa board don't like the idea of a homegrown industry thats sprouted from the demand of the gaming community itself, doesn't mean anything. Beyond their name on Uniforms and stuff like that, there is absolutely no link between the type of service item mania does and starcraft. Power leveling a ladder? as if anyone cares about getting high up on some ladder, once you ran into real talent it would be quickly exposed that its a crap account playing. You can't grind winning in an rts.
Blizzard owns Starcraft and WoW, what part of that do you not comprehend? Blizzard is the reason why Itemania hasn't touched WoW.
Blizzard is hyper protective against gold selling companies and their very existence is against Blizzard's own policies for every single game they've produced. Blizzard has sued against entities that have broken their terms of agreement of their games, such as bot makers and gold selling spammer inside WoW.
Having a Starcraft team sponsored by such a company would be against what Blizzard stood for, obviously Kespa does not want to do anything that will force Blizzard's hand.
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A gaming company help sponsoring a gaming event! That's absolute madness!!!
Hopefully a food company doesn't sponsor eSport because that wouldn't make sense. Oh, wait..
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
hey man don't diss the pringle sponsorship
team pringle poppers ftw
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Well that they want to sponsor the team is one thing but how on earth do they make that amount of money to buy a pro team? Looks focking fishy to me. They may be able to support the team now, but in the long run?
KeSPA probably steps in because the contract between sponsor and team is too short and they want stability for the team giving them a bridge to find a safer company.
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On August 06 2008 15:55 bubblegumbo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2008 15:36 RivetHead wrote:On August 06 2008 14:53 bubblegumbo wrote:
Criminalizing cheating, hacking and obtaining a virtual advantage through real life monetary transactions are what Blizzard is well known and applauded for, all for the sake of allowing gamers to all exist in a fair environment where skill and personal effort are rewarded.
If you idiots don't understand why a gold/item selling company shouldn't be associated with E-sports, think about how much corruption will take place if people are allowed to pay to get powerleveled on a SC/SC2 online ladder, and allowed to reap the benefits from doing so with no punishment.
If item/gold selling was legalized by Blizzard in WoW, the game would not be as successful as it is today, take a look at games like Lineage II, where their virtual economy is ruined by rampant gold/item sellers.
Most of these RMT MMO companies uses exploits/hacks/bots and or hire dirt cheap labor to gain their virtual wealth. This is not uncommon knowledge either, especially for any Blizzard gamer fans. Lol are you serious? For the 80 millionth time itemmania and WoW have absolutely nothing to do with each other. They provide a legal service. Just because a bunch of conservative Korean nannie fannies on the kespa board don't like the idea of a homegrown industry thats sprouted from the demand of the gaming community itself, doesn't mean anything. Beyond their name on Uniforms and stuff like that, there is absolutely no link between the type of service item mania does and starcraft. Power leveling a ladder? as if anyone cares about getting high up on some ladder, once you ran into real talent it would be quickly exposed that its a crap account playing. You can't grind winning in an rts. Blizzard owns Starcraft and WoW, what part of that do you not comprehend? Blizzard is the reason why Itemania hasn't touched WoW. Blizzard is hyper protective against gold selling companies and their very existence is against Blizzard's own policies for every single game they've produced. Blizzard has sued against entities that have broken their terms of agreement of their games, such as bot makers and gold selling spammer inside WoW. Having a Starcraft team sponsored by such a company would be against what Blizzard stood for, obviously Kespa does not want to do anything that will force Blizzard's hand.
Then blizzard should take it up with the gaming companies that WANT to have subcontracts out the entities like ItemMania. They are not related, because Blizzard would never be for the idea of selling items for money. So they are just going to deny other gaming companies freedom just because they don't want it for their own game? If anything they should be happy. Making item selling against the terms of service allows their game to have greater equality and competition, which will make all those other mmo's stale because only the rich kids can be the best (ie. having the best gear which is 80-90% what matters in MMOs, not really skill). Sure in wow, you need gear, but you also need to know what the hell you are doing.
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On August 06 2008 19:15 Jayson X wrote:
Well that they want to sponsor the team is one thing but how on earth do they make that amount of money to buy a pro team? Looks focking fishy to me. They may be able to support the team now, but in the long run?
KeSPA probably steps in because the contract between sponsor and team is too short and they want stability for the team giving them a bridge to find a safer company.
That's what i'm wondering do they seriously pull that much money from their "services" to be able to sponsor a pro team even a small one like hanibit.
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United States12607 Posts
Speaking of the Pringles MSL, remember how they had their logo plastered on bridges and other focal points of the maps in that tournament?
I actually thought that was kind of cool  , akin to field-side ads at sports stadiums. Bring back the Pringles bridges!
It's also just kind of humorous to imagine what SC units must be thinking as they draw blood over a big, colorful logo.
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thedeadhaji
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i bet they make massive dough from maple story lolol
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it was a good move i guess but still, hanbit needs a sponser~
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MrHoon
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As much as I disagree with Kespa most of the time (fuck you kespa, bring back teamleague), I have to say this was a great move
Make a team that sells items on MMOs, when the biggest MMO game out there is WoW (aka Blizzard)
Blizzard 1: Hey did you hear? the Korean Team Stars got #1 in their team leagues!
Blizzard 2: Grats for them! Say, what does their company do? I've never heard of them...
Blizzard 1: Oh, they sell gold on WoW
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I hope there is a good outcome from this, maybe Shinhan Bank can step in since they like the proscene so much and apparently it had benefited them in the past.
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On August 06 2008 15:57 [X]Ken_D wrote:A gaming company help sponsoring a gaming event! That's absolute madness!!! Hopefully a food company doesn't sponsor eSport because that wouldn't make sense. Oh, wait..
Hey it's a good argument you've made after reading this thread, good job on reading comprehension.
Oh wait.
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Haha KESPA thinks the same way I do!
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Honestly, this was a good decision.
I don't blame kespa for not wanting to be associated with questionable businesses.
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Of course it was a good decision by Kespa, why are you guys even arguing? Item-mania is illegal period. There is no mid-term on the word "illegal", illegal is illegal and Item-mania sponsoring a SC team is just as illegal as a drug dealer sponsoring a SC team.
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Dude.... I would be so stoked if one of my pot "distributers" owned lecaf ... although JD's apm would drop ... nobody can do 450 apm stoned ..... NOBODY.
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