[Poll] Will Flash win all tournaments?

On June 11 2008 21:06 nevergg wrote:
As long as Jaedong doesn't win MSL I don't mind. I hope Flash takes some of the titles home though - he's a nice kid.

On June 11 2008 23:23 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
after watching flash thrash every other competent player in the world do you honestly still think hes not good in standard play? I think flash is to bisu as jaedong is to savior, in other words - flash will always beat jaedong whenever they meet, but he'll eventually get crushed by a newcomer... The sc circle lol

On June 11 2008 23:23 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
after watching flash thrash every other competent player in the world do you honestly still think hes not good in standard play? I think flash is to bisu as jaedong is to savior, in other words - flash will always beat jaedong whenever they meet, but he'll eventually get crushed by a newcomer... The sc circle lol

On June 11 2008 23:23 Ra.Xor.2 wrote:
after watching flash thrash every other competent player in the world do you honestly still think hes not good in standard play? I think flash is to bisu as jaedong is to savior, in other words - flash will always beat jaedong whenever they meet, but he'll eventually get crushed by a newcomer... The sc circle lol

On June 12 2008 00:30 Vasoline73 wrote:
Why does everyone think BeSt has a shot at beating Flash in a BoX series?

Besides beating Flash in PL once when Flash didn't scout (good play by best though), BeSt has only beat the following terrans: NaDa, go.go, and UpMagic. And lost to Mind. Not exactly the craziest roster of opponents.

On June 12 2008 01:05 IdrA wrote:

because best is insanely good and on a hot streak? and the maps are good for pvt. andromeda and troy at least in osl, i forget the rest of the map pool.
no ones calling best the favorite, but to say he doesnt have a shot is idiotic.

On June 12 2008 01:36 GunsofthePatriots wrote:


BTW how is it going in korea?

Getting your ass kicked?

On June 12 2008 01:37 IdrA wrote:

nope i 20-0'd everyone on the team.

On June 11 2008 23:42 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Unlikely that he'll win several at once. Even if Flash is currently in better shape than others, his skill level is not noticeably higher than Jaedong's or Best's and maybe 1-2 others' too (Kal? Mind?).

On June 12 2008 01:37 IdrA wrote:

nope i 20-0'd everyone on the team.

On June 12 2008 01:47 GunsofthePatriots wrote:


... Can you pull that off in Courage League?

Or will you choke?

On June 12 2008 01:49 Carnac wrote:
It's true, I saw the replays

On June 12 2008 01:37 IdrA wrote:

nope i 20-0'd everyone on the team.

On June 12 2008 01:51 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:


Why are u being a dick?

On June 11 2008 23:59 IdrA wrote:

didnt say he wasnt good in standard play as he most obviously is. just said in standard games vs jaedong jaedong has outplayed him every time.

also, jaedong beat him in the only bo5 series they played 3-1, only losing to mech on katrina. flash beat him with a sunken break and mech 2-1 (losing a straight up game) in osl and won vs him in the gsi 2-1 all 3 games being cheese from one side or another.

On June 12 2008 02:39 darktreb wrote:


Idra you obviously know and see more about the game than I do but I'm surprised to see you say this. After watching players like Mind and Hwasin systematically take down (demolish) Jaedong in recent games on the current map pool, I was of the opinion that Flash would be able to do it even more easily. I don't think there's anything that Mind or Hwasin do better than Flash right now (that's just my opinion of course). Are there things you've seen in Flash's (or Jaedong's/Mind's/Hwasin's) play that would lead you to think otherwise?

On June 12 2008 02:37 GreEny K wrote:
does anyone know where i can find a match of best beating flash??

On June 11 2008 22:56 IdrA wrote:
he has yet to prove he can beat jaedong in a standard game. he beat him in 2 series but his wins were mmf sunken breaks, mech, and baekmagoji. jaedong won all of the biotankvessel vs muta ling lurk into defiler games, won them pretty easily for the most part.

flash is better now than he was and jaedong seems a bit worse, but id still say jaedong is a favorite given current maps that favor standard play a bit more.

On June 12 2008 01:47 GunsofthePatriots wrote:


... Can you pull that off in Courage League?

Or will you choke?

On June 12 2008 03:45 ray1234 wrote:
Flash will be beaten by....

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On June 12 2008 05:19 B1nary wrote:
I just don't see him losing. Right now, he's looking even better than sAviOr in his prime since he doesn't have a weak matchup. I can't think of anyone except MAYBE Jaedong who can take him down.

On June 12 2008 03:45 ray1234 wrote:
Flash will be beaten by....

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On June 12 2008 05:19 B1nary wrote:
I just don't see him losing. Right now, he's looking even better than sAviOr in his prime since he doesn't have a weak match up. I can't think of anyone except MAYBE Jaedong who can take him down.

On June 12 2008 05:52 blagoonga123 wrote:
Lol I find it funny that the two most unlikely choices are the ones most people are voting for.

On June 12 2008 05:45 Atrioc wrote:
Flash isnt better than the Maestro in his prime. He has terran-favored maps this season and only one OSL win, lets not get ahead of ourself. Hes dominant but lets see how long it lasts.

Plus:
Heavily slumping 1/8th fraction-of-himself complete crap sAviOr still went 3-4 with him in Skins.

On June 12 2008 03:02 raga4ka wrote:


Let me explain it to you actually Hwasin has a better TvZ then Flash and Mind's is a little bit weaker but almost the same.

On June 12 2008 03:45 ray1234 wrote:
Flash will be beaten by....

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On June 12 2008 04:39 anotak wrote:

Yo have quite a point, however Jaedong is slumping and Flash getting better and better... And yeah, the maps encourage more standard play, however it doesn't mean that Flash will be forced into standard play. To be honest I think Colosseum is encouraging Wraith TvZ a little, already seen 2 games like that (one of which was from Flash, in addition to his wraith-heavy tvt on that map vs. DarkElf in PL). Especially with the ling-proof wallability of the map. That's nearly impossible to do on Othello though... other maps Wuthering can be made with lingproof walls... but it's very open and hydras will have an easy chance vs. wraiths. Then again, as a rather shitty player I might just be talking out of my ass altogether.


i hate all the idra haters blegh
why do people have to go out of their way to talk shit about him

On June 12 2008 03:02 raga4ka wrote:
Let me explain it to you actually Hwasin has a better TvZ then Flash and Mind's is a little bit weaker but almost the same , 2nd those were Bo1 PL game in Bo5 JD usually kills . The fact that Hwasin beat JD in one game doesn't mean that Flash can too maybe he can maybe he can't but that is Bo1. Now if i may have your attention in Bo5 Hwasin has more of a chance beating JD then Flash that fact is backed up with Flash's non standard play vs him in both OSL and MSL and GSI , which tells that he is not confidant faseing JD on some map and if he doesn't have a plan he will lose - MSL , back then don't know how much he is improved now . Hwasin on the other hand was the best TvZ in 2007 and he is not scared of JD's late game skills . So if JD kills Hwasin in the next round he will most likely demolish Flash too , anyway after 1 week we will see if JD is the GOD OF DESTRUCTION and the legend killer .

On June 12 2008 05:52 JoxxOr wrote:

Did you even watch pro starcraft when savior played?..

With that comment I'll guess my theory is correct

To add my opinion in the OP.
I hope he does not win one tournament this year, he is one of the most boring players in the world and I've still not forgiven him for his 2 cheeses against bisu, i hope Karma slices his throat (nah, but...).

But in the shape he's in right now it makes me wonder how he could lose in both tournaments.

I think he will have an easier run in OSL UNTIL he meets the god of war also known as July. Where he will face his inner demons and get owned like the little baby he really is.

In all fanboyism, I think this is a flashback from last year where an old champion (NaDa) all suddenly came back from nowhere to advance to the finals and beat the GOD OF ZERG sAviOr. The difference is that this time it's not NaDa, it's July!

So be ready bandwagon guys, Bo5 Flash vs July plix

On June 12 2008 06:51 cujo2k wrote:


What do you mean.. sAviOr beat NaDa 3-1 in the OSL finals.

On June 12 2008 06:51 cujo2k wrote:


What do you mean.. sAviOr beat NaDa 3-1 in the OSL finals.

On June 12 2008 06:04 darktreb wrote:


Hwasin's TvZ better than Flash's? Does anyone else here really believe this?

On June 12 2008 06:04 darktreb wrote:


Hwasin's TvZ better than Flash's? Does anyone else here really believe this?

On June 12 2008 06:04 darktreb wrote:


Hwasin's TvZ better than Flash's? Does anyone else here really believe this?

On June 12 2008 08:54 nimysa wrote:
Darktreb is a newcomer warcraft player, he deosn't know anything about Hwasin defeating Savior in his prime or about Hwasin's rise to power in the 06' era. Yes I remember Darktreb from the SK forums

On June 12 2008 09:15 Jyvblamo wrote:

Hwasin's rise to power in '06, what the hell? He only became a respectable player in early '07.

On June 12 2008 09:17 G5 wrote:
jaedong will knock him out of msl

osl i think he will win it though

even though im hoping for rock ^^

On June 12 2008 10:28 xenero wrote:
He could probably lose by being flashy and throw the game that way.

On June 12 2008 10:11 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:


what ever year savior was dominating is the year hwasin got good. :D

On June 12 2008 06:32 AnOth3rDAy wrote:
Actually Jaedong had troubles beating Flash in standard games even when Jaedong was in his prime. If Jaedong can't pull his tvz shit together he will not even win vs hwasin.
And no, hwasins tvz isn't better than flashs.

Only reason Jaedong won vs flash on Loki in the Bo5 was coz he played like a fucking miracle, and now he isn't, not vs terran atleast.

On June 12 2008 06:43 cujo2k wrote:


Man, Flash is way too good, you can't compare him to Hwasin imo. Flash is just smarter than everyone else, that's why he's so good. I really don't care what the statistics say about his TvZ, the guy has the best starcraft mind in the world right now, so I'd put him above Hwasin in every MU.
This is like when sAviOr was in his prime, you had to put the guy above everyone else in every MU, even ZvZ.

It is pretty cool that you still think that JD is the godly legend killer, you are a loyal fan my friend.. He has definitely been slipping a bit of late though.

On June 12 2008 20:20 Raithed wrote:
metal is straight up too, whats wrong with metal?

On June 12 2008 20:50 HamerD wrote:
So you are doing alright in the estro house then idra? Do you feel you are improving much? How's your confidence levels?

On June 12 2008 11:16 IdrA wrote:

how did he have troubles? once hive tech was out flash got demolished every game. ya he had fucking scary mid game armies but that was because he sacrificed tech for a shitload of mm and once defilers were out his 4 group mm army with 2 tanks and 2 vessels was pretty useless.

flash is the favorite but if jaedong happens to hit his old form (and a couple of recent losses to very good players does not mean that it is gone forever), he could very easily beat flash.

On June 12 2008 20:32 IdrA wrote:

it only works on certain maps. colloseum is the only map in the current msl pool that its really viable on (to my knowledge, i dont know athena/tiamat very well)

On June 13 2008 04:15 diggurd wrote:
if someone is going to beat flash, its going to be-

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On June 13 2008 05:29 anderoo wrote:
Flash will be eliminated by Backho

On June 14 2008 05:11 raga4ka wrote:
Luxury si gonna kick him out of OSL .... and in MSL there is plenty of force there so it would surpise me if he wins something at all ...

On June 14 2008 07:42 Tosu wrote:
Flash>all

On June 11 2008 22:56 IdrA wrote:
he has yet to prove he can beat jaedong in a standard game. he beat him in 2 series but his wins were mmf sunken breaks, mech, and baekmagoji. jaedong won all of the biotankvessel vs muta ling lurk into defiler games, won them pretty easily for the most part.

flash is better now than he was and jaedong seems a bit worse, but id still say jaedong is a favorite given current maps that favor standard play a bit more.

best has a decent shot at him too, with a little luck.

On June 14 2008 13:10 leandroqm wrote:


Agreed.