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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Something amazing happened last night after Jaedong defeated Flash; its not that he's in the semis, its not that he'll rape him again tonight, its that he just became the most powerful zerg user ever (according to TLPD)
Prior to his match he was sitting on 2299, 2 points below saviors highest (2301). After winning 3-1, his elo has shot up to 2309. This makes him...- The most dominant zerg user ever
- 2nd most dominant in history
Further more, Oov's elo peak was 2329, the highest ever. Jaedong is just 20 below that, so the question is can jaedong make it? and become the most dominant broodwar player in history?
Poll: Will Jaedong do it? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
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Where can we find the replays or VODS for those games?
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I voted yes because i really like Jaedong and i'm hoping he can pull it off, but yeah... won't be easy..
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Braavos36390 Posts
If he's going to reach 2329, he'll have to 2-0 Flash in the OSL, win vs Frozean in the PL GF, then probably 3-0 or 3-1 Nada/Mind in the MSL Semis. He needs to do this because I doubt he'll 3-1 or 3-0 Much/Bisu in the OSL Semi, so he's gotta get to 2330 before then.
This will be really, really hard to do.
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how is his elo so high
when in contrast to oov, he barely has any tourny wins
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what does ELO stands for and how is it calculated?
edit: found this about the calculation but it doesnt say what it stands for. so.. anybody?
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No, Jaedong will loose against NaDa in msl and go in to a slump, nuff said.
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On February 15 2008 03:23 Hot_Bid wrote: If he's going to reach 2329, he'll have to 2-0 Flash in the OSL, win vs Frozean in the PL GF, then probably 3-0 or 3-1 Nada/Mind in the MSL Semis. He needs to do this because I doubt he'll 3-1 or 3-0 Much/Bisu in the OSL Semi, so he's gotta get to 2330 before then.
This will be really, really hard to do.
Your right.. go JAEDONG!!! you can do it...
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He could, but I'm not sure o.,o
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
even breaking oov's peak wouldn't by itself make him the most dominant player in history or whatever. he has to win a couple more titles before that etc. also his 9-1 vt record with which he went into this match is nothing compared to oov's 27-0 record. and yes I realize the game has changed since then.
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On February 15 2008 03:28 Storchen wrote:what does ELO stands for and how is it calculated? edit: found this about the calculation but it doesnt say what it stands for. so.. anybody? 
Elo has no meaning as such but stems from it's inventor's name Arpad Emrick Elo. Generally speaking every chessplayer has an Elo rating that reflects his relative strenght to others. It's the same with the TL elo measurement system though the used K-value most likely differs. I'm no expert but if you want to become one then you can start off by reading this simple article 
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4326
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You've also got to take into consideration that elo average gradually rises over time - When someone gets a high score and then starts to fall from the top the people beating him are getting a lot of points, and so on.
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On February 15 2008 03:27 paper wrote: how is his elo so high
when in contrast to oov, he barely has any tourny wins
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 15 2008 04:04 Carnac wrote: even breaking oov's peak wouldn't by itself make him the most dominant player in history or whatever. he has to win a couple more titles before that etc. also his 9-1 vt record with which he went into this match is nothing compared to oov's 27-0 record. and yes I realize the game has changed since then. It's a pretty insane feat. Getting an elo that high is ridiculously hard,
Keep in mind that i drew this prior to Jaedong getting to 2309, so he's still on 2299 in this graph - but it gives you an idea about how hard it is. (lol @ yellow having a bigger elo than boxer)
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On February 15 2008 03:27 paper wrote: how is his elo so high
when in contrast to oov, he barely has any tourny wins
Well, Jaedong has been dominant pretty much since he came onto the scene only really dying to Protoss players which he has changed recently. Iloveoov has also played a lot more games then Jaedong. Oov at 364 games, Jaedong at 137 games. Further more Jaedong's very first game as a progamer ever was in Proleague at the end of April in 2006. Iloveoovs first match? April 2003 (vs ElkY). Since he came on, Jaedong has been killing Proleague left and right and going pretty far in the few tournaments he has played, loosing to a Protoss at some point in there, until the last OSL where he destroyed Stork and went on to beat Bisu in the most recent OSL.
In his first 11 matches as a progamer Jaedong beat JiHyun, Reach, SoO, Kuni, GoRush and NaDa. Loosing to ELIZA, Tester, Casy, Free and XellOs (not much shame here).
Following this he went on a 13-1 win streak vs Much, iloveoov (who hes about to surpass), SaSin)bOy, Child, 2-1 vs Free, ELIZA, Coul[fOu], Mingu, ZergMaN, July and Justin. Following this he went about 60/40 for a while (mainly loosing to toss') until he suddenly went on a "I can't loose" streak and won the OSL Title and is where he is at today in the Semi-Finals of the MSL and Quarters in the OSL.
~ Interesting Notes ~
Throughout his career vs top tier Terrans he is 2-1 vs Iloveoov, 3-1 vs NaDa, 4-0 vs UpMagic, 4-3 vs Sea, 3-2 vs Light, 3-2 vs Flash, 3-2 vs XellOs, 1-0 vs IriS, 1-0 vs Hwasin and 0-3 Casy.
Completely owning the rest of the Terrans with a lifetime 41-17 (70.69%) vs Terran.
Throughout his career vs top tier Zergs he is 2-1 vs sAviOr, 2-2 vs July, 1-0 vs GoRush, 3-2 vs Luxury and 1-0 vs GGPlay.
Completely owning the rest of the Zergs with a lifetime 30-9 (76.92%) vs Zerg.
Throughout his career vs top tier Protoss' he is 1-1 vs Bisu, 3-3 vs Stork, 3-5 vs Free, 2-2 vs Much, 1-0 vs Reach, 1-0 vs Nal_rA, 0-1 vs Pusan and 2-3 vs Rock.
Going about 50/50 with the rest of the Protoss' with a lifetime 22-18 (55.00%) vs Protoss.
Currently I would say Jaedong is a monster with his 25-3 streak he is on right now and currently is more dominating then anyone. I am not sure how long he can stay that way, but I don't remember sAviOr going 25-3 or anything near it. I remember sAviOr always ending up getting the job done with 3-1 / 3-2 epic wins and such but never in SUCH DOMINANCE as Jaedongs straight up 2-0 / 3-0 rapes over and over. Iloveoov I know was very dominant but it was dominance in a long period of time such as sAviOr's 5(?) straight MSL finals and NaDa's 3 year #1 or w/e it was. Jaedong is just hot right now and simply isn't loosing anything. For the past 4 months (yes pretty short time) he has been unstoppable, I hope he can keep it up.
P.S. Looks like if anyone doesn't like Jaedong and wants him off the throne, they should become Casy fans because Casy seems like the best hope vs Jaedong (being 3-0 vs him and all).
Jaedong Figghting!
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
I never said that it wasn't impressive, but you cannot by any means (especially when talking all time) be considered the most dominant player, when you still lack titles, which Jaedong does. That just doesn't work. There's much more to it than just an ELO score, but I'm sure you know that
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On February 15 2008 04:35 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2008 03:27 paper wrote: how is his elo so high
when in contrast to oov, he barely has any tourny wins Well, Jaedong has been dominant pretty much since he came onto the scene only really dying to Protoss players which he has changed recently. Iloveoov has also played a lot more games then Jaedong. Oov at 364 games, Jaedong at 137 games. Further more Jaedong's very first game as a progamer ever was in Proleague at the end of April in 2006. Iloveoovs first match? April 2003 (vs ElkY). Since he came on, Jaedong has been killing Proleague left and right and going pretty far in the few tournaments he has played, loosing to a Protoss at some point in there, until the last OSL where he destroyed Stork and went on to beat Bisu in the most recent OSL. In his first 11 matches as a progamer Jaedong beat JiHyun, Reach, SoO, Kuni, GoRush and NaDa. Loosing to ELIZA, Tester, Casy, Free and XellOs (not much shame here). Following this he went on a 13-1 win streak vs Much, iloveoov (who hes about to surpass), SaSin)bOy, Child, 2-1 vs Free, ELIZA, Coul[fOu], Mingu, ZergMaN, July and Justin. Following this he went about 60/40 for a while (mainly loosing to toss') until he suddenly went on a "I can't loose" streak and won the OSL Title and is where he is at today in the Semi-Finals of the MSL and Quarters in the OSL. ~ Interesting Notes ~ Throughout his career vs top tier Terrans he is 2-1 vs Iloveoov, 3-1 vs NaDa, 4-0 vs UpMagic, 4-3 vs Sea, 3-2 vs Light, 3-2 vs Flash, 3-2 vs XellOs, 1-0 vs IriS, 1-0 vs Hwasin and 0-3 Casy. Completely owning the rest of the Terrans with a lifetime 41-17 (70.69%) vs Terran. Throughout his career vs top tier Zergs he is 2-1 vs sAviOr, 2-2 vs July, 1-0 vs GoRush, 3-2 vs Luxury and 1-0 vs GGPlay. Completely owning the rest of the Zergs with a lifetime 30-9 (76.92%) vs Zerg. Throughout his career vs top tier Protoss' he is 1-1 vs Bisu, 3-3 vs Stork, 3-5 vs Free, 2-2 vs Much, 1-0 vs Reach, 1-0 vs Nal_rA, 0-1 vs Pusan and 2-3 vs Rock. Going about 50/50 with the rest of the Protoss' with a lifetime 22-18 (55.00%) vs Protoss. Currently I would say Jaedong is a monster with his 25-3 streak he is on right now and currently is more dominating then anyone. I am not sure how long he can stay that way, but I don't remember sAviOr going 25-3 or anything near it. I remember sAviOr always ending up getting the job done with 3-1 / 3-2 epic wins and such but never in SUCH DOMINANCE as Jaedongs straight up 2-0 / 3-0 rapes over and over. Iloveoov I know was very dominant but it was dominance in a long period of time such as sAviOr's 5(?) straight MSL finals and NaDa's 3 year #1 or w/e it was. Jaedong is just hot right now and simply isn't loosing anything. For the past 4 months (yes pretty short time) he has been unstoppable, I hope he can keep it up. P.S. Looks like if anyone doesn't like Jaedong and wants him off the throne, they should become Casy fans because Casy seems like the best hope vs Jaedong (being 3-0 vs him and all). Jaedong Figghting! 
Ty for the explanation.
Although now it is kinda clear that him surpassing Oov's elo doesn't mean much at all, just a number since Oov's career is much more illustrious. He still hasn't reached the percentages Oov reached nor won the amount of awards. One thing I can't mention is the style in which he wins his games since I don't really watch progame vod's anymore. However, I think it would still be safe to say he doesn't win in the fashion Oov did back in the day. [ competition is harder now ]
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as long as he doesn't pull a savior and slump off after a year I could see him surpassing oov in terms of ELO and tournament wins.
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On February 15 2008 05:05 tonight wrote: as long as he doesn't pull a savior and slump off after a year I could see him surpassing oov in terms of ELO and tournament wins.
if he keeps up what hes done in the past 4 months, within 2 years he should break all osl / msl title records because that is how dominant he has been lately. Such a feat is SOOOO hard though. He will be #1 KESPA pretty soon though.
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