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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 14 2008 18:17 GMT
#1
Something amazing happened last night after Jaedong defeated Flash; its not that he's in the semis, its not that he'll rape him again tonight, its that he just became the most powerful zerg user ever (according to TLPD)

Prior to his match he was sitting on 2299, 2 points below saviors highest (2301). After winning 3-1, his elo has shot up to 2309. This makes him...
  • The most dominant zerg user ever
  • 2nd most dominant in history
Further more, Oov's elo peak was 2329, the highest ever. Jaedong is just 20 below that, so the question is can jaedong make it? and become the most dominant broodwar player in history?

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Poll: Will Jaedong do it?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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Lokust
Profile Joined January 2008
United States91 Posts
February 14 2008 18:19 GMT
#2
Where can we find the replays or VODS for those games?
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.MistiK
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Netherlands347 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 18:24:41
February 14 2008 18:22 GMT
#3
Jon 747
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
February 14 2008 18:22 GMT
#4
I voted yes because i really like Jaedong and i'm hoping he can pull it off, but yeah... won't be easy..
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
February 14 2008 18:23 GMT
#5
If he's going to reach 2329, he'll have to 2-0 Flash in the OSL, win vs Frozean in the PL GF, then probably 3-0 or 3-1 Nada/Mind in the MSL Semis. He needs to do this because I doubt he'll 3-1 or 3-0 Much/Bisu in the OSL Semi, so he's gotta get to 2330 before then.

This will be really, really hard to do.
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
February 14 2008 18:27 GMT
#6
how is his elo so high

when in contrast to oov, he barely has any tourny wins
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Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 18:30:26
February 14 2008 18:28 GMT
#7
what does ELO stands for and how is it calculated?

edit: found this about the calculation but it doesnt say what it stands for. so.. anybody?
JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 18:39:34
February 14 2008 18:39 GMT
#8
No, Jaedong will loose against NaDa in msl and go in to a slump, nuff said.
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stk01001
Profile Joined September 2007
United States786 Posts
February 14 2008 18:48 GMT
#9
On February 15 2008 03:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
If he's going to reach 2329, he'll have to 2-0 Flash in the OSL, win vs Frozean in the PL GF, then probably 3-0 or 3-1 Nada/Mind in the MSL Semis. He needs to do this because I doubt he'll 3-1 or 3-0 Much/Bisu in the OSL Semi, so he's gotta get to 2330 before then.

This will be really, really hard to do.


Your right.. go JAEDONG!!! you can do it...
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
February 14 2008 18:53 GMT
#10
He could, but I'm not sure o.,o
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 19:05:32
February 14 2008 19:04 GMT
#11
even breaking oov's peak wouldn't by itself make him the most dominant player in history or whatever. he has to win a couple more titles before that etc.
also his 9-1 vt record with which he went into this match is nothing compared to oov's 27-0 record. and yes I realize the game has changed since then.
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3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
February 14 2008 19:11 GMT
#12
On February 15 2008 03:28 Storchen wrote:
what does ELO stands for and how is it calculated?

edit: found this about the calculation but it doesnt say what it stands for. so.. anybody?


Elo has no meaning as such but stems from it's inventor's name Arpad Emrick Elo. Generally speaking every chessplayer has an Elo rating that reflects his relative strenght to others. It's the same with the TL elo measurement system though the used K-value most likely differs. I'm no expert but if you want to become one then you can start off by reading this simple article

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=4326
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Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
February 14 2008 19:14 GMT
#13
You've also got to take into consideration that elo average gradually rises over time - When someone gets a high score and then starts to fall from the top the people beating him are getting a lot of points, and so on.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
February 14 2008 19:16 GMT
#14
On February 15 2008 03:27 paper wrote:
how is his elo so high

when in contrast to oov, he barely has any tourny wins

Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 19:17:26
February 14 2008 19:16 GMT
#15
On February 15 2008 04:04 Carnac wrote:
even breaking oov's peak wouldn't by itself make him the most dominant player in history or whatever. he has to win a couple more titles before that etc.
also his 9-1 vt record with which he went into this match is nothing compared to oov's 27-0 record. and yes I realize the game has changed since then.
It's a pretty insane feat.
Getting an elo that high is ridiculously hard,
[image loading]


Keep in mind that i drew this prior to Jaedong getting to 2309, so he's still on 2299 in this graph - but it gives you an idea about how hard it is. (lol @ yellow having a bigger elo than boxer)
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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-14 19:41:57
February 14 2008 19:35 GMT
#16
On February 15 2008 03:27 paper wrote:
how is his elo so high

when in contrast to oov, he barely has any tourny wins


Well, Jaedong has been dominant pretty much since he came onto the scene only really dying to Protoss players which he has changed recently. Iloveoov has also played a lot more games then Jaedong. Oov at 364 games, Jaedong at 137 games. Further more Jaedong's very first game as a progamer ever was in Proleague at the end of April in 2006. Iloveoovs first match? April 2003 (vs ElkY). Since he came on, Jaedong has been killing Proleague left and right and going pretty far in the few tournaments he has played, loosing to a Protoss at some point in there, until the last OSL where he destroyed Stork and went on to beat Bisu in the most recent OSL.

In his first 11 matches as a progamer Jaedong beat JiHyun, Reach, SoO, Kuni, GoRush and NaDa. Loosing to ELIZA, Tester, Casy, Free and XellOs (not much shame here).

Following this he went on a 13-1 win streak vs Much, iloveoov (who hes about to surpass), SaSin)bOy, Child, 2-1 vs Free, ELIZA, Coul[fOu], Mingu, ZergMaN, July and Justin. Following this he went about 60/40 for a while (mainly loosing to toss') until he suddenly went on a "I can't loose" streak and won the OSL Title and is where he is at today in the Semi-Finals of the MSL and Quarters in the OSL.

~ Interesting Notes ~

Throughout his career vs top tier Terrans he is 2-1 vs Iloveoov, 3-1 vs NaDa, 4-0 vs UpMagic, 4-3 vs Sea, 3-2 vs Light, 3-2 vs Flash, 3-2 vs XellOs, 1-0 vs IriS, 1-0 vs Hwasin and 0-3 Casy.

Completely owning the rest of the Terrans with a lifetime 41-17 (70.69%) vs Terran.


Throughout his career vs top tier Zergs he is 2-1 vs sAviOr, 2-2 vs July, 1-0 vs GoRush, 3-2 vs Luxury and 1-0 vs GGPlay.

Completely owning the rest of the Zergs with a lifetime 30-9 (76.92%) vs Zerg.


Throughout his career vs top tier Protoss' he is 1-1 vs Bisu, 3-3 vs Stork, 3-5 vs Free, 2-2 vs Much, 1-0 vs Reach, 1-0 vs Nal_rA, 0-1 vs Pusan and 2-3 vs Rock.

Going about 50/50 with the rest of the Protoss' with a lifetime 22-18 (55.00%) vs Protoss.



Currently I would say Jaedong is a monster with his 25-3 streak he is on right now and currently is more dominating then anyone. I am not sure how long he can stay that way, but I don't remember sAviOr going 25-3 or anything near it. I remember sAviOr always ending up getting the job done with 3-1 / 3-2 epic wins and such but never in SUCH DOMINANCE as Jaedongs straight up 2-0 / 3-0 rapes over and over. Iloveoov I know was very dominant but it was dominance in a long period of time such as sAviOr's 5(?) straight MSL finals and NaDa's 3 year #1 or w/e it was. Jaedong is just hot right now and simply isn't loosing anything. For the past 4 months (yes pretty short time) he has been unstoppable, I hope he can keep it up.

P.S. Looks like if anyone doesn't like Jaedong and wants him off the throne, they should become Casy fans because Casy seems like the best hope vs Jaedong (being 3-0 vs him and all).

Jaedong Figghting!
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
February 14 2008 19:48 GMT
#17
I never said that it wasn't impressive, but you cannot by any means (especially when talking all time) be considered the most dominant player, when you still lack titles, which Jaedong does. That just doesn't work.
There's much more to it than just an ELO score, but I'm sure you know that
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
February 14 2008 19:58 GMT
#18
On February 15 2008 04:35 G5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2008 03:27 paper wrote:
how is his elo so high

when in contrast to oov, he barely has any tourny wins


Well, Jaedong has been dominant pretty much since he came onto the scene only really dying to Protoss players which he has changed recently. Iloveoov has also played a lot more games then Jaedong. Oov at 364 games, Jaedong at 137 games. Further more Jaedong's very first game as a progamer ever was in Proleague at the end of April in 2006. Iloveoovs first match? April 2003 (vs ElkY). Since he came on, Jaedong has been killing Proleague left and right and going pretty far in the few tournaments he has played, loosing to a Protoss at some point in there, until the last OSL where he destroyed Stork and went on to beat Bisu in the most recent OSL.

In his first 11 matches as a progamer Jaedong beat JiHyun, Reach, SoO, Kuni, GoRush and NaDa. Loosing to ELIZA, Tester, Casy, Free and XellOs (not much shame here).

Following this he went on a 13-1 win streak vs Much, iloveoov (who hes about to surpass), SaSin)bOy, Child, 2-1 vs Free, ELIZA, Coul[fOu], Mingu, ZergMaN, July and Justin. Following this he went about 60/40 for a while (mainly loosing to toss') until he suddenly went on a "I can't loose" streak and won the OSL Title and is where he is at today in the Semi-Finals of the MSL and Quarters in the OSL.

~ Interesting Notes ~

Throughout his career vs top tier Terrans he is 2-1 vs Iloveoov, 3-1 vs NaDa, 4-0 vs UpMagic, 4-3 vs Sea, 3-2 vs Light, 3-2 vs Flash, 3-2 vs XellOs, 1-0 vs IriS, 1-0 vs Hwasin and 0-3 Casy.

Completely owning the rest of the Terrans with a lifetime 41-17 (70.69%) vs Terran.


Throughout his career vs top tier Zergs he is 2-1 vs sAviOr, 2-2 vs July, 1-0 vs GoRush, 3-2 vs Luxury and 1-0 vs GGPlay.

Completely owning the rest of the Zergs with a lifetime 30-9 (76.92%) vs Zerg.


Throughout his career vs top tier Protoss' he is 1-1 vs Bisu, 3-3 vs Stork, 3-5 vs Free, 2-2 vs Much, 1-0 vs Reach, 1-0 vs Nal_rA, 0-1 vs Pusan and 2-3 vs Rock.

Going about 50/50 with the rest of the Protoss' with a lifetime 22-18 (55.00%) vs Protoss.



Currently I would say Jaedong is a monster with his 25-3 streak he is on right now and currently is more dominating then anyone. I am not sure how long he can stay that way, but I don't remember sAviOr going 25-3 or anything near it. I remember sAviOr always ending up getting the job done with 3-1 / 3-2 epic wins and such but never in SUCH DOMINANCE as Jaedongs straight up 2-0 / 3-0 rapes over and over. Iloveoov I know was very dominant but it was dominance in a long period of time such as sAviOr's 5(?) straight MSL finals and NaDa's 3 year #1 or w/e it was. Jaedong is just hot right now and simply isn't loosing anything. For the past 4 months (yes pretty short time) he has been unstoppable, I hope he can keep it up.

P.S. Looks like if anyone doesn't like Jaedong and wants him off the throne, they should become Casy fans because Casy seems like the best hope vs Jaedong (being 3-0 vs him and all).

Jaedong Figghting!


Ty for the explanation.

Although now it is kinda clear that him surpassing Oov's elo doesn't mean much at all, just a number since Oov's career is much more illustrious. He still hasn't reached the percentages Oov reached nor won the amount of awards. One thing I can't mention is the style in which he wins his games since I don't really watch progame vod's anymore. However, I think it would still be safe to say he doesn't win in the fashion Oov did back in the day. [ competition is harder now ]
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
February 14 2008 20:05 GMT
#19
as long as he doesn't pull a savior and slump off after a year I could see him surpassing oov in terms of ELO and tournament wins.
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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
February 14 2008 20:15 GMT
#20
On February 15 2008 05:05 tonight wrote:
as long as he doesn't pull a savior and slump off after a year I could see him surpassing oov in terms of ELO and tournament wins.


if he keeps up what hes done in the past 4 months, within 2 years he should break all osl / msl title records because that is how dominant he has been lately. Such a feat is SOOOO hard though. He will be #1 KESPA pretty soon though.
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