[MSL spoiler] Elo

On February 15 2008 03:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
If he's going to reach 2329, he'll have to 2-0 Flash in the OSL, win vs Frozean in the PL GF, then probably 3-0 or 3-1 Nada/Mind in the MSL Semis. He needs to do this because I doubt he'll 3-1 or 3-0 Much/Bisu in the OSL Semi, so he's gotta get to 2330 before then.

This will be really, really hard to do.

On February 15 2008 03:28 Storchen wrote:
what does ELO stands for and how is it calculated?

edit: found this about the calculation but it doesnt say what it stands for. so.. anybody?

On February 15 2008 03:27 paper wrote:
how is his elo so high

when in contrast to oov, he barely has any tourny wins

On February 15 2008 04:04 Carnac wrote:
even breaking oov's peak wouldn't by itself make him the most dominant player in history or whatever. he has to win a couple more titles before that etc.
also his 9-1 vt record with which he went into this match is nothing compared to oov's 27-0 record. and yes I realize the game has changed since then.

On February 15 2008 03:27 paper wrote:
how is his elo so high

when in contrast to oov, he barely has any tourny wins

On February 15 2008 04:35 G5 wrote:


Well, Jaedong has been dominant pretty much since he came onto the scene only really dying to Protoss players which he has changed recently. Iloveoov has also played a lot more games then Jaedong. Oov at 364 games, Jaedong at 137 games. Further more Jaedong's very first game as a progamer ever was in Proleague at the end of April in 2006. Iloveoovs first match? April 2003 (vs ElkY). Since he came on, Jaedong has been killing Proleague left and right and going pretty far in the few tournaments he has played, loosing to a Protoss at some point in there, until the last OSL where he destroyed Stork and went on to beat Bisu in the most recent OSL.

In his first 11 matches as a progamer Jaedong beat JiHyun, Reach, SoO, Kuni, GoRush and NaDa. Loosing to ELIZA, Tester, Casy, Free and XellOs (not much shame here).

Following this he went on a 13-1 win streak vs Much, iloveoov (who hes about to surpass), SaSin)bOy, Child, 2-1 vs Free, ELIZA, Coul[fOu], Mingu, ZergMaN, July and Justin. Following this he went about 60/40 for a while (mainly loosing to toss') until he suddenly went on a "I can't loose" streak and won the OSL Title and is where he is at today in the Semi-Finals of the MSL and Quarters in the OSL.

~ Interesting Notes ~

Throughout his career vs top tier Terrans he is 2-1 vs Iloveoov, 3-1 vs NaDa, 4-0 vs UpMagic, 4-3 vs Sea, 3-2 vs Light, 3-2 vs Flash, 3-2 vs XellOs, 1-0 vs IriS, 1-0 vs Hwasin and 0-3 Casy.

Completely owning the rest of the Terrans with a lifetime 41-17 (70.69%) vs Terran.


Throughout his career vs top tier Zergs he is 2-1 vs sAviOr, 2-2 vs July, 1-0 vs GoRush, 3-2 vs Luxury and 1-0 vs GGPlay.

Completely owning the rest of the Zergs with a lifetime 30-9 (76.92%) vs Zerg.


Throughout his career vs top tier Protoss' he is 1-1 vs Bisu, 3-3 vs Stork, 3-5 vs Free, 2-2 vs Much, 1-0 vs Reach, 1-0 vs Nal_rA, 0-1 vs Pusan and 2-3 vs Rock.

Going about 50/50 with the rest of the Protoss' with a lifetime 22-18 (55.00%) vs Protoss.



Currently I would say Jaedong is a monster with his 25-3 streak he is on right now and currently is more dominating then anyone. I am not sure how long he can stay that way, but I don't remember sAviOr going 25-3 or anything near it. I remember sAviOr always ending up getting the job done with 3-1 / 3-2 epic wins and such but never in SUCH DOMINANCE as Jaedongs straight up 2-0 / 3-0 rapes over and over. Iloveoov I know was very dominant but it was dominance in a long period of time such as sAviOr's 5(?) straight MSL finals and NaDa's 3 year #1 or w/e it was. Jaedong is just hot right now and simply isn't loosing anything. For the past 4 months (yes pretty short time) he has been unstoppable, I hope he can keep it up.

P.S. Looks like if anyone doesn't like Jaedong and wants him off the throne, they should become Casy fans because Casy seems like the best hope vs Jaedong (being 3-0 vs him and all).

Jaedong Figghting!

On February 15 2008 05:05 tonight wrote:
as long as he doesn't pull a savior and slump off after a year I could see him surpassing oov in terms of ELO and tournament wins.

On February 15 2008 04:48 Carnac wrote:
I never said that it wasn't impressive, but you cannot by any means (especially when talking all time) be considered the most dominant player, when you still lack titles, which Jaedong does. That just doesn't work.
There's much more to it than just an ELO score, but I'm sure you know that

On February 15 2008 05:16 3nickma wrote:


Titles will come with Jaedong taking both the MSL and OSL

On February 15 2008 07:21 HotZhot wrote:
BTW where is the "Of Course" option? Yes, plainly put doesn't sum it up well.

On February 15 2008 19:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
i just deleted a post

look dont post obvious spoilers in unrelated threads thats just bad manners

and peter what the fuck if you dont like it don't quote the damn thing

On February 15 2008 21:43 riptide wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

If there's anyone who can stop LJD it's Bisu or Luxury. I'm sorry, but there's not a Terran right now who can beat him in a Bo5.

On February 15 2008 22:19 G.s)NarutO wrote:


NaDa CAN beat him. Train your ass off NaDa, kill Mind, kill Jaedong. I BELIEVE

TORNADO LEE YUN YEOL FIGHTING! :O!


SORRY, HUGE FANBOYISM POST.

On February 15 2008 23:16 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:


Indeed. The same you guys said before savior/nada epic series Being a fanboy of Casy's tvz myself i find it extremely cool that he's 3-0 Jaedong. Hopefully Casy and Jae battle and produce much more interesting games than casy/savior were ...

On February 15 2008 23:40 Hot_Bid wrote:
that's nice, yellow would win invitational tournaments too

but who won the OSL where nada and savior played? that's what really matters.

On February 15 2008 03:28 Storchen wrote:
what does ELO stands for and how is it calculated?

edit: found this about the calculation but it doesnt say what it stands for. so.. anybody?

On February 15 2008 04:58 Ack1027 wrote:


Ty for the explanation.

Although now it is kinda clear that him surpassing Oov's elo doesn't mean much at all, just a number since Oov's career is much more illustrious. He still hasn't reached the percentages Oov reached nor won the amount of awards. One thing I can't mention is the style in which he wins his games since I don't really watch progame vod's anymore. However, I think it would still be safe to say he doesn't win in the fashion Oov did back in the day. [ competition is harder now ]

On February 16 2008 12:59 Darkmole wrote:
i doubt jaedong is gonna win the MSL or OSL, my reasons will be his 0:1 against Flash (great game) and his gonna be facing Nada or Mind and Mind is amazing on TvZ and Nada is also good at TvZ and it wont matter who will face jaedong becuz Nada has trained Mind and Mind is ready to whoop his ass

On February 16 2008 12:28 fusionsdf wrote:
yes, because elo is inflationary

On February 17 2008 09:35 disciple wrote:
and as far as I know the ELO rating is not the best way to compare the achievements of players for a different years. There is smth like ELO-Inflation - the rating will grow up as far as the medium rating of the players is growing, i think the 2300 level will be easy to get in a year or two. I will give you an example with the chess...Bobby Fisher had in his most dominant years (1972) about 2750 ELO and his overall winning statistic was about 65-68%, today we have 2 players with 2800 with winning % of 55-56? Are they more dominant then Fisher? No, the average rating back in 1972 was far lower than today.

On February 17 2008 10:04 gravity wrote:

Given that ELO is a measure of skill, not "dominance", this isn't necessarily wrong. The best players today are probably at least as good as Fischer in an absolute sense, and probably a bit better thanks to modern knowledge, while the average non-studying player isn't any better.

It's still possible there's inflation but I'm not sure it's ever been clearly proven.

On February 17 2008 22:54 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
dont you realize that elo has one BIG problem : Its very very important when u start and also there are times when you are higher than anyone else thats is just not worth playing anymore, acutally.
Like you are not much more skilled than anyone else but your ranking is much higher- that just sucks