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Waxangel
United States33502 Posts
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=46751&db=issue SKT1 is to replace their entire coaching staff, due to the team's poor performance. This includes their head coach/manager Joo Hoon (often seen with the stopwatch or sunglasses). Kingdom and ILoveoov have been "promoted" to player-coaches, meaning you'll never see them in meaningful competition again. All of us old school fans can go weep in a corner now. | ||
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Carefree
United States1571 Posts
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
btw hows kingdom? | ||
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
i never liked him during his peak but you can't deny how utterly scary he was | ||
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
Bye Kingdom and oov (one of my fav players), stay fly. | ||
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noojOh
United States755 Posts
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GTR
51507 Posts
WANT MORE NEWS | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21550 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
this is the saddest day ever. | ||
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Jonteman
Sweden644 Posts
Bring back 2004 ! | ||
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GTR
51507 Posts
On January 23 2008 13:46 Kennigit wrote: this is the saddest day ever.sadder than when ktf exploded? | ||
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Puosu
6992 Posts
I understand them "promoting" Kingom to a player-coach, because of his hand, but Iloveoov?? Why? I guess we will never again see his legendary macro :[ | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
SKT1's only doing badly cause of Boxer's absence...Replacing the coaches isn't going to help any... | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
equal saddness...i give this four dronebabo faces ;_; ;_; ;_; ;_; edit: im adding an extra ;_; because its the ENTIRE coaching staff which includes aficionado. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
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GTR
51507 Posts
On January 23 2008 13:50 Seraphim wrote: SKT1's only doing badly cause of Boxer's absence...Replacing the coaches isn't going to help any... yes this was BOXERS TEAM, which BOXER made and BOXER grew. then this stupid sk telecom conglomerate just runs around and removes all of the coaching staff. | ||
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
seriously, wtf | ||
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GTR
51507 Posts
unless you buy out good ones, man i'd be pissed if coach cho was bought over to skt for a contract of 200k or something. or maybe they might get one of those k-league managers -.- | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=46776&db=issue Just a summary would be awesome, thanks  | ||
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
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Snipinpanda
United States1227 Posts
T_T | ||
pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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Darkmole
United States900 Posts
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36387 Posts
Starcraft is a professional sport, and the life-cycle of a progamer is short--just a few years if they are lucky. I know there's a different "culture" of progaming but coaches get fired all the time for poor performance in other sports. Best of luck to SKT and to the departed coaching staff. Maybe the new management will instill some life into the team next season. | ||
LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On January 23 2008 13:55 Seraphim wrote: I'm sorry but after browsing the site, could anybody tell me what this is all about? http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=46776&db=issue Just a summary would be awesome, thanks its talking about how although bisu is lately showing good results overall, his record on blue storm is bad. he is on a 3-loss streak on that map, and including non-A-matches is only 4-8. on the other hand, he is 7-5 on python, 5-1 on katrina, fantasy II 3-2, loki II 4-1, zodiac 3-2. he is 0-3 vs zerg---that is without a win vz. losses against savior, jaedong, and ggplay (although this one wasn't an official match). he is 0-1 vs july and will be playing him next in the Bacchus OSL. he needs to improve his play on this map. he lost in the early game to a hydralisk rush vs savior, whereas vs jaedong and ggplay he lost due to not being able to control the game. tl;dr: blue storm is bisu's Achilles heel, hype for his match vs july | ||
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GTR
51507 Posts
On January 23 2008 14:16 Hot_Bid wrote: It is sad for Kingdom and Oov, but they've been shadows of their former selves. It sucks, but it's true. SKT as a team would probably be better developing new talent instead of holding onto the tiny hope of a comeback from old players (which isn't happening). Just look at the teams that are doing well, they have home grown talent and have plenty of studs now, while KTF and SKT stuck to their vets for too long. The future for those teams belong to Flash, Shudder, etc. Starcraft is a professional sport, and the life-cycle of a progamer is short--just a few years if they are lucky. I know there's a different "culture" of progaming but coaches get fired all the time for poor performance in other sports. Best of luck to SKT and to the departed coaching staff. Maybe the new management will instill some life into the team next season. Hmmm, when you think of it now, who from the original 2004 SKT Team is still in the team now as a player? Rainbow. I guess it was the time to move on I guess. | ||
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[X]Ken~D
377 Posts
I guess without macro, his game is weak compared to the rest. | ||
Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
On January 23 2008 13:54 GTR-2-Go wrote: the funnier thing is, where the fuck are you going to get new staff and a new manager (that is experienced) unless you buy out good ones, man i'd be pissed if coach cho was bought over to skt for a contract of 200k or something. or maybe they might get one of those k-league managers -.- Coach Cho transfered to SKT T1 for a 5 digit contract would be funny =) | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
SHIT GORILLA | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On January 23 2008 14:29 HonestTea wrote: This will not solve their issues. Agreed Aficionado and Coach Hoon are two of my favorite Progaming personalities (despite the fact that they're with T1). Hoon is just so BADASS. What the hell, man. And then Kingdom as player-coach I can see, but iloveoov? ILOVEFUCKINGOOV? My god. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On January 23 2008 14:22 GTR-2-Go wrote: Hmmm, when you think of it now, who from the original 2004 SKT Team is still in the team now as a player? Rainbow. I guess it was the time to move on I guess. It's still gay. I want oov back! :[ | ||
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WingSandrockX
Korea (North)1164 Posts
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Aurious
Canada1772 Posts
On January 23 2008 14:41 WingSandrockX wrote: WOW...are they stupid or something? IF ANYTHING I'd bring back BoxeR into the team and see how it goes...or at least consult with BoxeR man...this is basically HIS team.... Honestly...Kingdom I can see but ILOVEOOV? OMG...IT'S NOT LIKE HE WASN'T MAKING IT PASS OFFLINE QUALIFIERS... WTFFF He goes to Ro16(Usually I think?) almost every season...Why the fuck? If this happens, SK Telecom 1 will no longer be my favourite team and I'd probably stay less tuned-in to the Korean pro gaming scene. However, theirs always a chance BoxeR can bring new hope to SKT1 when he comes back...but how many new-school people can you recruit and become good within the time frame of SC2's release? I doubt many people would want to train hard via Internet Cafes/Offline then try to get on a team AND try even harder to win Starleagues. There might be a few but I just don't see it.. If I was in their shoes I'd just hold it off until SC2 then make a run at that instead of SC *shrugs* So I'm not sure what SK Telecom 1 is thinking.. Boxer's in the military for a while longer, makes no difference | ||
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Waxangel
United States33502 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
On January 23 2008 14:29 HonestTea wrote: This will not solve their issues. Bring back freaking N64! T_T | ||
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LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17732 Posts
first boxer leaves for military and now oov the day nada leaves omg cant think about it | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21550 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
Why not just have oov sit out for Proleague and do his own thing for individual (instead of announcing it, just tell him they won't choose him or.. something)? SKT stupidyo. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
iloveoov to player-coach makes some sense as under his captaincy SKT picked up their performance... a little bit... but cmonnnnnnn its iloveoov!!! after thinking about it, oov wouldve had to agree to this, and given his lack of passion as of late (remember oov's surprise to keep him interested in progaming) i guess this was a natural move... Losing aficionado and Joo Hoon is fucking STUPID!! Julyzerg must be regretting the move now... seeing as one of the large reasons he chose skt was because of aficionado.. and Joo Hoon has lead to SKT to multiple finals in Proleauge... Last season it was limiting players to one league, this time its firing the coaching staff.. SKT has lost the plot thank god im an MBC fan | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
This sucks ass T_T I mean Kingdom I can understand, he did the surgery and shit, but why Oov . And besides, SKT's new faces are doing great, I mean, they got no1 in the Minor Leagues right, that shows alot, doing that to kingdom was a good move, but not too OOv | ||
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JIJI
Canada291 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
On January 23 2008 16:26 Plexa wrote: Ok, Kingdom moving to player-coach is to be expected after his surgery.. hopefully his status is reviewed after he makes a recover iloveoov to player-coach makes some sense as under his captaincy SKT picked up their performance... a little bit... but cmonnnnnnn its iloveoov!!! after thinking about it, oov wouldve had to agree to this, and given his lack of passion as of late (remember oov's surprise to keep him interested in progaming) i guess this was a natural move... Losing aficionado and Joo Hoon is fucking STUPID!! Julyzerg must be regretting the move now... seeing as one of the large reasons he chose skt was because of aficionado.. and Joo Hoon has lead to SKT to multiple finals in Proleauge... Last season it was limiting players to one league, this time its firing the coaching staff.. SKT has lost the plot thank god im an MBC fan Thank God I'm a no team fan. Hahaha. It sounds lame, but I have too many players I like that are on different teams for me to root for one. XellOs is my favorite so right now I'm rooting for his team. | ||
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vhallee
899 Posts
and ALL the coaching staff? this is bullshit. | ||
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JensOfSweden
Cameroon1767 Posts
You'll never touch Nada, quitter. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27156 Posts
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wo0py
Netherlands922 Posts
New staff makes sence in the meaning of a total new start. This is not bad news for SKT, this is the rebirth of an new era of fighting. Don't we see this in other teams? Sea, Jeadong both young players. I think this is a natural thing to be doing. | ||
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Daranee
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Manifesto7
Osaka27156 Posts
On January 23 2008 18:53 wo0py wrote: I think this is overreacted a bit. Obviously the old SKT team carries a lot of memories with all of you. But it might be not such an absurd idea to think that new players now come to play. Old legends became the teachers.. And the apprentices can follow up the role their great teachers once fullfilled. New staff makes sence in the meaning of a total new start. This is not bad news for SKT, this is the rebirth of an new era of fighting. Don't we see this in other teams? Sea, Jeadong both young players. I think this is a natural thing to be doing. Yeah, but some of us were friends with those who lost their jobs. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
my world is collapsing around me | ||
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Jonteman
Sweden644 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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kw31
Hong Kong162 Posts
now SKT two of my favourite teams well .... seems like 2008 will be a sad sad year! | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
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jkillashark
United States5262 Posts
On January 23 2008 21:48 kw31 wrote: First KTF now SKT two of my favourite teams well .... seems like 2008 will be a sad sad year! Only time can really tell. Maybe halfway down the year they'll look back in retrospect and say some were good some were bad decisions. | ||
Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
I am pretty damn shocked they'd have the balls to replace the ENTIRE coaching staff.... wow. | ||
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XCetron
5226 Posts
On January 23 2008 21:48 kw31 wrote: First KTF now SKT two of my favourite teams well .... seems like 2008 will be a sad sad year! It'll be sadder soon once you see this season OSL intro | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
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Xeofreestyler
Belgium6774 Posts
fuck :/ | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
On January 24 2008 09:22 Raithed wrote: boxer will reincarnate the team. there is still a possibility that boxer doesnt go back to SKT1, and just decide to make another new team o.o | ||
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ATeddyBear
Canada2843 Posts
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
KTF should do the same, retire reach, ra and gf and get on with flash etc | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On February 04 2008 20:47 Resonate wrote: i don't see what's so sad about this, they're getting rid of old players who have lost it and opening up the space for new ones. KTF should do the same, retire reach, ra and gf and get on with flash etc You are heartless . | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
so sad | ||
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Avius
Iraq1796 Posts
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fanatacist
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 04 2008 20:47 Resonate wrote: GF aint even on KTF anymore i don't see what's so sad about this, they're getting rid of old players who have lost it and opening up the space for new ones. KTF should do the same, retire reach, ra and gf and get on with flash etc  and its not like oov wasn't posting results, and aficionado is a great talent searcher (he picked bisu/sea for pos and best for skt atm) | ||
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Resonate
United Kingdom8402 Posts
he wasn't a long-standing team member anyway | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
 firebathero in MSL S2 last year was one of the most beastly perfomances Ive seen from him recently. He lost the series, but I will never forget that game. His game vs Darkelf on Monty this PL season was also a classic, not only due to Darkelfs horrid play.Imagine no more "Oov is losing alot of scvs" "Oov is barely defending the attack" "gg Oov wins" | ||
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akm4
Canada71 Posts
On February 04 2008 22:48 Guybrush wrote: Imagine no more "Oov is losing alot of scvs" "Oov is barely defending the attack" "gg Oov wins" I can't imagine no more I remember his game vs Much Oov loses a bunch of scv due to Dark Templar and then even more due to Storm.... Ooov makes 123423 tanks and vultures somehow even after taking all that hit Sends them to much's base.... GG oov wins | ||
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Dreamer]
Sweden358 Posts
And one of my favorite Terran will also quite? Life will never be the same... ![[image loading]](http://img2.zol.com.cn/product/3/577/ce5z2LdnCLa32.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://sseol.net/blog/attach/1/1405508261.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.pcgames.com.cn/fight/starcraft/wenxue/0610/pic/kingdom.jpg) | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
On February 04 2008 22:48 Guybrush wrote: Imagine no more "Oov is losing alot of scvs" "Oov is barely defending the attack" "gg Oov wins" argh stop it...hurts too much. I loved these oov moments where the camera looked at his enemy and you thought "hm that's a good amount of units" and then the camera goes back to oov and you'd see like a shitton of units, everyone's going ooooohhh and just at this moment he attacks and rolls over the other guy. You sit back in your leather chair in your dressing gown, sip your martini and say something like "well done my friend, well done." (last part was so random) | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On January 23 2008 13:46 Kennigit wrote: this is the saddest day ever. | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Now I'm just gonna wallow in despair. Progaming is going all wrong. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Ra, Reach, Yellow, Marine all notably slumped during their coaching. | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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abcb
United States136 Posts
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Raidern
Brazil3811 Posts
can he still play? | ||
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IPS.ZeRo
Germany1142 Posts
Even if he isn't so good anymore he is still one of their strongest players. | ||
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Quesadilla
United States1814 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On February 05 2008 04:26 EvilTeletubby wrote: Come on guys, give it a chance! I mean, look at what good all the coaching changes over the years have done for KTF. At the risk of sounding Romanian... | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On January 23 2008 16:26 Plexa wrote: Ok, Kingdom moving to player-coach is to be expected after his surgery.. hopefully his status is reviewed after he makes a recover iloveoov to player-coach makes some sense as under his captaincy SKT picked up their performance... a little bit... but cmonnnnnnn its iloveoov!!! after thinking about it, oov wouldve had to agree to this, and given his lack of passion as of late (remember oov's surprise to keep him interested in progaming) i guess this was a natural move... Losing aficionado and Joo Hoon is fucking STUPID!! Julyzerg must be regretting the move now... seeing as one of the large reasons he chose skt was because of aficionado.. and Joo Hoon has lead to SKT to multiple finals in Proleauge... Last season it was limiting players to one league, this time its firing the coaching staff.. SKT has lost the plot thank god im an MBC fan what did that surprise turn out to be? | ||
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KTFKentatsu
Philippines178 Posts
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ShmotZ
United States581 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
 I've never felt so bad related to progaming since I saw Boxer cry after he lost to oov in OSL finals -.- WORST. On February 04 2008 22:48 Guybrush wrote: It's hard to imagine there will be no more monster macro games from Oov. The game he won against firebathero in MSL S2 last year was one of the most beastly perfomances Ive seen from him recently. He lost the series, but I will never forget that game. His game vs Darkelf on Monty this PL season was also a classic, not only due to Darkelfs horrid play.Imagine no more "Oov is losing alot of scvs" "Oov is barely defending the attack" "gg Oov wins" YOu mean that game on Python? Yeah that was so sick. On February 05 2008 04:22 SuperJongMan wrote: Honestly? I thought Oov would be the first to grab the golden mouse. Now I'm just gonna wallow in despair. Progaming is going all wrong. So did I. Kingdom is my all time favourite Protoss player. Oov is my all time 2nd favourite Terran player (behind Boxer obviously). I'm gonna go cry now. | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
I've always considered iloveoov as my favorite terran player after BoxeR. This is sad news, I don't get why they take out one of their best players and place him as a coach? Fuck that. | ||
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Pressure
7326 Posts
coaches THE FUCK WHO SET OOV UP GET ME A FLIGHT TO KOREA OOV MUST COME BACK | ||
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Pressure
7326 Posts
On January 23 2008 15:49 LosingID8 wrote: SKT is dead to me now argh. yeah. im autovoting against them instead of for them now unless they bring out oov or canata does some crazy magic shit :{ | ||
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alphafuzard
United States1610 Posts
i think i died a little on the inside  someone needs to write a song about this | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On January 23 2008 13:37 Wasabi wrote: That doesn't sound good for iloveoov. I can see him squeezing one more Starleague win. I think they should at least wait for Boxer to come back and observe what happens to the team. They just weren't the same team when he left. Heh iirc Boxer started what would become STK. | ||
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Matoo-
Canada1397 Posts
I'm a hardcore oov fan. Ok that's ridiculous and nearly insulting towards him but just to give an example, I even have a level 70 paladin (lol) named iloveoov, that I play everyday. 300+ hours spent in this char atm. Some people recognise the name and we chat a little about how great Starcraft is. FUCK FUCK FUCK This is so sad. SKT was so great. Midas, July, Best, Canata, Shudder... (Edit : How could I forget the badass Gorush ?) A bunch of great players. I could've lived without Kingdom but SKT without an actively playing Oov is not SKT anymore. FUCK FUCK FUCK SKT is dead to me. I'm going to hang myself right now. | ||
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Elwood Blues
United States261 Posts
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
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