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On May 27 2026 15:12 Azzur wrote:
So imagine this:
- In the World Cup Finals, Messi steps up to take a penalty kick in stoppage time.
- Goalkeeper who has a leg injury steps aside and says it's gg. Just score into an empty net.
- Commentator and past pros says this is all good, Messi will score anyways.
I hate these bad comparisons to other games. Please don't do it.
The goalkeeper by doing nothing (standing idle) has a chance to be hit by the ball and a chance that Messi misses the goal
Flash on the other hand, if he sits idle, has absolutely no chance of winning (with exceptions that Soma maybe sold the match and gg'ed earlier).
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Interesting.
For game 6, also noticed the detail where 1 ling was unburrowed. Was wondering if that was on purpose. Light had the same idea, apparently. Seems like a nice little mindgame trick.
And yeah, Flash had BO wins six time in a row for real(arguably 7). Soma really willed it through, although micro mistakes on Flash's side sure helped.
Regarding last game...we can argue all day regarding what was the correct decision, but the mindset of Flash in that series would not try to give up main immediately.
The detail about bunker in main in the 8rax game (or just blocking choke better with scvs) kind of had the same type of problem.
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I wished I could apply some sort of tag to the people in this thread and the finals thread who are convinced that Flash shouldn't have gg'ed
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On May 27 2026 15:51 Azzur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2026 15:22 Mumei wrote:On May 27 2026 15:01 Azzur wrote:“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset. You watch StarCraft, so you must know that giving up—saying gg—when you know you've lost is a part of the etiquette of the game, right? So, I don't see why you're taking this stance that he should have stayed in and fought on. Why would he? He knew he had lost. That's when you ought to gg. On May 27 2026 15:12 Azzur wrote:On May 27 2026 15:04 CHEONSOYUN wrote:On May 27 2026 15:01 Azzur wrote:“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset. a weak mindset is ignorance and you clearly have it trashing pro bw players giving commentary on a pro game + whining about flash gging out after he was completely dead. i think your posting shows a weak mindset But what I posted is true? I struggle to think of a scenario in any sport where commentators won't criticise players for giving up too early. So imagine this: - In the World Cup Finals, Messi steps up to take a penalty kick in stoppage time. - Goalkeeper who has a leg injury steps aside and says it's gg. Just score into an empty net. - Commentator and past pros says this is all good, Messi will score anyways. So answer this, what would the public reaction be? What about a strategy game like chess or go? It is routine to resign if you have a sufficiently losing position in either of those games. It's a mark of respect for your opponent to not waste their time and yours playing out a position that you don't have a chance of winning. Insisting on playing out a lost position in those games isn't a mark of being tough or having fighting spirit; it's a sign of either disrespect or an inability to evaluate the game. I think StarCraft's ethos comes a lot more from that kind of game than it comes from the team sports example you're giving. I'm not criticising flash for not fighting till the last building is eliminated (i.e. checkmate). I'm criticising him for giving up too early in a do-or-die game. In chess, there are players who have resigned too early, and they are similarly criticised for it. I follow chess and I cannot think of an example of player giving up early on a critical do-or-die game. And if they did, I can imagine the outcry. Again to iterate, there is a difference between resigning early in game 1 (to conserve strength) vs game 7 (do-or-die). Why does flash get this exemption from criticism?
I think that analogizing checkmate to "the last building is eliminated" is a mistake. Flash hadn't lost any buildings at all, but he was still checkmated when he gg'd that last game. He didn't resign too soon, because he had lost. This isn't equivalent to a chess player resigning when they still had a path, it's equivalent to a chess player resigning when they didn't.
Do you actually think he could have won?
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On May 27 2026 20:21 Kraekkling wrote:
I wished I could apply some sort of tag to the people in this thread and the finals thread who are convinced that Flash shouldn't have gg'ed
flash gave us something better than A5L
flash gave us angry desperate theorycrafting
thank you flash
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On May 27 2026 20:21 Kraekkling wrote:
I wished I could apply some sort of tag to the people in this thread and the finals thread who are convinced that Flash shouldn't have gg'ed
Lmao. I distinctly remember certain groups of people marking and labeling another group in history. Hopefully labeling is all you intend to do :D
But it really is shocking. I think the finals popped a knowledge bubble I've seen in the BW community. There are some people who genuinely get the game, and then on the other end people who feign understanding by number crunching, repeating maxims they don't really understand in inappropriate ways. Then strangely those people tend to have the strongest opinions and the loudest voice. A microcosm of the downfall of the social order.
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On May 28 2026 02:42 QRCode wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2026 20:21 Kraekkling wrote:
I wished I could apply some sort of tag to the people in this thread and the finals thread who are convinced that Flash shouldn't have gg'ed Lmao. I distinctly remember certain groups of people marking and labeling another group in history. Hopefully labeling is all you intend to do :D But it really is shocking. I think the finals popped a knowledge bubble I've seen in the BW community. There are some people who genuinely get the game, and then on the other end people who feign understanding by number crunching, repeating maxims they don't really understand in inappropriate ways. Then strangely those people tend to have the strongest opinions and the loudest voice. A microcosm of the downfall of the social order.
Grudge match bo7? You talk too much for 0 substance and only know how to feign superiority.
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On May 28 2026 03:44 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2026 02:42 QRCode wrote:On May 27 2026 20:21 Kraekkling wrote:
I wished I could apply some sort of tag to the people in this thread and the finals thread who are convinced that Flash shouldn't have gg'ed Lmao. I distinctly remember certain groups of people marking and labeling another group in history. Hopefully labeling is all you intend to do :D But it really is shocking. I think the finals popped a knowledge bubble I've seen in the BW community. There are some people who genuinely get the game, and then on the other end people who feign understanding by number crunching, repeating maxims they don't really understand in inappropriate ways. Then strangely those people tend to have the strongest opinions and the loudest voice. A microcosm of the downfall of the social order. Grudge match bo7? You talk too much for 0 substance and only know how to feign superiority.
Nah bro, I fear you. You know how to win from a situation that even the best pros couldn't dream of. What chance do I have? Take the W, you've been getting L's all day.
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On May 28 2026 03:54 QRCode wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2026 03:44 FlaShFTW wrote:On May 28 2026 02:42 QRCode wrote:On May 27 2026 20:21 Kraekkling wrote:
I wished I could apply some sort of tag to the people in this thread and the finals thread who are convinced that Flash shouldn't have gg'ed Lmao. I distinctly remember certain groups of people marking and labeling another group in history. Hopefully labeling is all you intend to do :D But it really is shocking. I think the finals popped a knowledge bubble I've seen in the BW community. There are some people who genuinely get the game, and then on the other end people who feign understanding by number crunching, repeating maxims they don't really understand in inappropriate ways. Then strangely those people tend to have the strongest opinions and the loudest voice. A microcosm of the downfall of the social order. Grudge match bo7? You talk too much for 0 substance and only know how to feign superiority. Nah bro, I fear you. You know how to win from a situation that even the best pros couldn't dream of. What chance do I have? Take the W, you've been getting L's all day.
Lol. You're a coward. If you're gonna talk this much shit about other people's understanding of the game, at least play the game. But you don't even play the game. Enough talking, quiet down and let people who actually play the game do the talking.
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No offense, but you come off to me as someone who's desperate to prove himself. And I don't like to play psychologist and pretend I know you. I don't know you, and I don't want to disrespect you. But from one human being to another, please step away from BW for a week and do something else. Reconnect with a loved one and just do something else. You seem to have some unhealthiness and being here is only enabling that unhealthiness. So please bro, just chill out. Love you and hope for the best for you.
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And I apologize if I come off as a shit talker or someone who's overly confident. But I've been there done that. Top ranked/ex-pro in the past. And game sense has always been my strong suit, so people say. So when the pros say basically the same stuff I do, I'm pretty confident I know what I'm talking about.
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There should be a special circle in hell for people who feign sincere agape to pretend they have the moral high ground >.>
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That's a really fucked up thing to say. No idea wtf you're talking about, but that really hurt.
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