This game was very controversial on discussion forums, and many people disagreed with how FlaSh played out and what certain pros said. So I just decided to dump this entire game into 1 single video and just squeezed in as much coverage as I could within time limits.
If you think you know better than pros, sure. But if you are gonna tell me I'm cherry picking, watch this video first. There are more people saying same lines that I couldn't put in here, including mind/action groups ect. Pros saying game was over when ling ran in was universally called on as you could see here, and only split was based on migrating to natural earlier or not, which was still gonna be way behind even after that.
Most of Terran pros called over at ling runby, while a lot of non-terran mains called for transfer to natural.
Some other Pros opinions - Action: (https://vod.sooplive.com/player/196684193?change_second=8774)
You can't count Soma going Lair yet it doesn't matter (Lair never started). There's only 4-5 Drones on minerals. If FlaSh had defended the main successfully, he was in lead. But if he gave up his main, he can't win though.
The issue was FlaSh not being able to defend before 2nd ling runby. You 100% cannot win if you give up main though, because having worker lead doesn't matter anymore at that point. He needed to defend 3 lings cleaner, but at same time, had Zerg ranby with 6 lings instead at start, zerg was in good position so... But FlaSh dealing with initial runby was poor and shouldn't have let it happen in first place.
2 CC doesn't matter since it's not 4Pool, and 8 worker lead doesn't matter if Zerg sees natural defense and just drones up . From Soma: (cannot include this as this is from independent YT channel, not soop)
Q: Are you ahead even if defended? A: As soon as I disrupted mining in main, I won. Since I can continuously disrupt mining Q: Ah, there wasn't enough workers mining. FlaSh didn't have enough. If those \[2nd group of lings\] didn't get runby, it was fine, no? Oh but even if he transfers to natural, it's over since it's only 7 mineral patches. A: Yea, natural only has 7 mineral patches
Video after this will be Soma's review that answers following: 1. Things to know before Final Game 2. Should he have transferred to natural ? 3. Who's ahead if he transferred? 4. At what point was Final game won? 5. Why was game lost? 6. Why was Rax cancelled?
Also i do agree with your notes. Pretty clear that the pros thought the game was over the moment ling speed was done and more lings ran past the bunker. Once those lings are through it's definitely over. Flash is way too far behind at that point. Hopefully this clarifies things.
Again, great video. Remains to be seen if flash will try again or if he'll retire for good.
Also, effort smiling when his korean air osl 2010 final vs flash was mentioned was nice. I bet deep down he's proud of soma. Now don't forget to sign up next season effort. kek
Honestly, I think Flash fans were NOT saying it was a winnable game when the pros were calling GG. Most of us were questioning the decision not to abandon to the nat immediately, and especially the first marine/SCV micro as the bunker was built... I don't doubt Soma had an advantage after the run by, or that he had the game won by the second run by especially... I think people are just disappointed at the initial micro and decision making. I think a lot of the disappointment is lost in translation sadly. Most of the pros were saying Flash was at an advantage as that first marine popped out... I think people who are saying Flash should have "played it out" are talking from that point in time, even though I agree it doesn't "make sense" (because his time to "play it out" was when he had the advantage)... I think that's why people are disappointed.
Sorry to triple post, but essentially, I think the sense that Flash should have "tried harder" or "played it out" has more to do with a feeling that is incorrectly projected onto a later part of the game when yes he had clearly lost.
EDIT: Lastly, these translations make me appreciate Soma even more. Soma has a killer mindset and outside of the game he is so kind. It's really hard to be upset with his win. He is always very complimentary of other players and is clearly a big fan of the game itself. How could anyone dislike that? Cheers to Soma and Jinjin
It's sad and funny at the same time that Flash always lost because he was too greedy and his micro failed when it mattered during the all-ins. Game 4 everyone said to just hold the main ramp, but he had to defend at the natural.
Maaaaaaaan, it's so frustrating that he couldn't get the win.
It's not about being greedy. It's about the evolution of the game.
He was trying to make history and I believe he did indeed, as he always has. In the semi finals and in the finals Flash showed games that had pros stunned left and right. See in jinjin's videos how many times they say "what? this works?" or are left speechless. Flash is very stubborn, and he is an absolute eternal legend for it.
Thank you jinjin!
How many sports can even dream of a semi or finals this damn good? We are so spoiled! This was sooooo damnnnn goood!
I was rooting for Flash, but I am left nothing short of happy with this finals, and absolutely delighted for Soma! Such a deserving champion.
Let's go over this again based on pro reaction for the critical moment at 3:41 (I'm not talking about the GG timing or after the 2nd big runby because game is 100% over at that point, no point in discussing).
Sea: calls it right as the 2nd marine dies to lings 4/5 Effort and Best: Flash needs to evacuate, Soma needs to make the game messy. Leta: Says the game is difficult once the first 3 lings get in, but also calls that game is over just before the 2nd marine dies. "He can't defend this since it's 5 lings JYJ: Mentions speedlings and says FlaSh is dead after lings 4/5 get in. Sharp: Actually only confirms Soma has won after the 2nd big runby. Shine: Says "we need to see" after first 3 lings, then says game is over once lings 4/5 get in and kill the marine and 1 scv. FBH: Says giving up the main means the game is lost. JD and Bisu: Say they need to see after the first runby and "we don't know yet" while JD mentions too that FlaSh was not handling the situation well. Bisu then says "he has no marines now" after the 2nd marine dies. JD also says FlaSh's decision making was very poor (seems to imply FlaSh should've evacuated). He even says "Terran should have won."
In conclusion: Yes, the Terran mains seem to think that even after just the initial runby, the game was over, while non-Terrans said game is tricky, but not over. If the pros want to replay this scenario, it must be done before the 2nd marine dies, as that seems to be the tipping point of the match.
My own opinion from other thread that might give some more context:
I think the theme for FlaSh this entire series was keeping in lead and finishing off the game with strong timing without letting it go to late game at all. Games he threw on sylphid and 8rax were games where he overextended way too hard trying to further secure a lead, despite Soma himself admitting he didn't feel confident going vs FlaSh's regular CC-First vs 3 hatch before pool without those extra steps factoring in.
Potential Wrist Issue?
This is just me speculating, but his SCV micro seemed very poor so his wrists may not have been 100%, idk. He also swapped his original gameplan of going for a mech switch into timing mech, so might have been more evidence of wrist issue.
effOrt and Action both mentioned that FlaSh did prepare a valk mech switch lategame build for one of the series, but FlaSh at dinner stream said that after 1st game, he adjusted all his builds on fly afterwards instead of going with his plan. EffOrt mentioned that FlaSh prepares multiple builds per each game and chooses one based on how he feels it's best rather than a single build.
Why defend main instead of natural transfer?
So I think it's a more natural conclusion that FlaSh would've taken a [known] option after botched ling run-by to choose the best move that would secure his lead, rather than take a potential disadvantage. Since this was both new situation for Soma and FlaSh, Soma made a point that even if transferring to natural ASAP was right move, the previous experience tells that this puts you behind even vs 5Pool and is only viable vs 4Pool. The way games were flowing, both sides were GGing out when they determined lead was insurmountable, which some felt like it was bit too fast, but that's how much room they both needed to end the game and felt like they wouldn't be able to overcome.
So as result, FlaSh took what he knew as best option - try to hold both natural and main. As Action and FBH pointed out, taking main was only way to stay ahead in this situation.
Current ProLeague-tier Meta Shift
You could see that on Attitude, just a lead was not enough for him to win with his goliath mech vs Soma's maneuvers and micro as Soma pulled his optimization to upmost to catch back up on mere lead as well as his moves that stabbed weakpoint.
There's also factor that a lot of Pros nowadays moved away from simple Rax FE bio, and Rax FE bio is considered outdated build that you can't really use vs top Zergs anymore as it's too hard win vs an optimized Zerg with it. So theres heavier emphasis on either taking lead with build advantage or going for tech builds than before. Light mentions that it's very difficult to win with just Rax FE nowadays
Soma mentions that his prep vs Leta may have also limited FlaSh's build options because he specifically heavily prepared vs 111/112 for Leta. So only real option FlaSh may have felt was going for strong timing with mech or bio while sustaining a lead, instead of regular Rax FE like in old days. So he got kinda holed into trying to secure lead at all cost along with his desire to end game ASAP
I felt like most of the pros were cheering for Flash and beign kinda upset when he lost, not sure why. Soma totally deserve this plus he was working hard.
On May 27 2026 06:28 Kespa1988 wrote: I felt like most of the pros were cheering for Flash and beign kinda upset when he lost, not sure why. Soma totally deserve this plus he was working hard.
Well, you kinda can't help it. It's his last supposed tourney. It was like this with Argentina and Messi's 2022 WC finals as well. Leta was cheering for his (current) teammate though.
On May 27 2026 04:02 jinjin5000 wrote: My own opinion from other thread that might give some more context:
I think the theme for FlaSh this entire series was keeping in lead and finishing off the game with strong timing without letting it go to late game at all. Games he threw on sylphid and 8rax were games where he overextended way too hard trying to further secure a lead, despite Soma himself admitting he didn't feel confident going vs FlaSh's regular CC-First vs 3 hatch before pool without those extra steps factoring in.
This is just me speculating, but his SCV micro seemed very poor so his wrists may not have been 100%, idk. He also swapped his original gameplan of going for a mech switch into timing mech, so might have been more evidence of wrist issue.
effOrt and Action both mentioned that FlaSh did prepare a valk mech switch lategame build for one of the series, but FlaSh at dinner stream said that after 1st game, he adjusted all his builds on fly afterwards instead of going with his plan. EffOrt mentioned that FlaSh prepares multiple builds per each game and chooses one based on how he feels it's best rather than a single build.
So I think it's a more natural conclusion that FlaSh would've taken a [known] option after botched ling run-by to choose the best move that would secure his lead, rather than take a potential disadvantage. Since this was both new situation for Soma and FlaSh, Soma made a point that even if transferring to natural ASAP was right move, the previous experience tells that this puts you behind even vs 5Pool and is only viable vs 4Pool. The way games were flowing, both sides were GGing out when they determined lead was insurmountable, which some felt like it was bit too fast, but that's how much room they both needed to end the game and felt like they wouldn't be able to overcome.
So as result, FlaSh took what he knew as best option - try to hold both natural and main. As Action and FBH pointed out, taking main was only way to stay ahead in this situation.
You could see that on Attitude, just a lead was not enough for him to win with his goliath mech vs Soma's maneuvers and micro as Soma pulled his optimization to upmost to catch back up on mere lead as well as his moves that stabbed weakpoint.
There's also factor that a lot of Pros nowadays moved away from simple Rax FE bio, and Rax FE bio is considered outdated build that you can't really use vs top Zergs anymore as it's too hard win vs an optimized Zerg with it. So theres heavier emphasis on either taking lead with build advantage or going for tech builds than before. Light mentions that it's very difficult to win with just Rax FE nowadays
Soma mentions that his prep vs Leta may have also limited FlaSh's build options because he specifically heavily prepared vs 111/112 for Leta. So only real option FlaSh may have felt was going for strong timing with mech or bio while sustaining a lead, instead of regular Rax FE like in old days. So he got kinda holed into trying to secure lead at all cost along with his desire to end game ASAP
That’s great insight thanks! One thing I think we can deduce is Flash’s wrists probably can’t sustain a Bo7 against a top Zerg anymore which is why he leaned more towards mech. In your other translated video in the Ro16 Flash did mention he won every game in practice against Soma going bio, not sure if he felt his condition deteriorate in the finals
Awesome JJ. As usual, people take things out of context and don't accurately state what they are in the given moment. Effort was only saying for Flash to move to nat because of the first ling runby and he lost control of the main, so it was really the only thing Flash could do that wouldn't be even worse than his situation. And JD said "Flash should've won" because Flash had the BO advantage. But it's really the fact that none of the pros were shocked at Flash gg'ing and none of them were like, "Why didn't he move to the nat???" Lose main = lose game.
This is just me speculating, but his SCV micro seemed very poor so his wrists may not have been 100%, idk. He also swapped his original gameplan of going for a mech switch into timing mech, so might have been more evidence of wrist issue.
FWIW Jumperer reviewed Flash's OSL finals against Effort, OSL finals against Jaedong, and a Flash Highlight video, and in all instances of small scale micro (probably ~10-15 instances), Flash microd poorly especially with bio & SCV control (even when he was focused on microing and not multitasking). Micro mistakes like marine positioning, no pulling back low hp marines, forgetting to stim, complete lack of medic and SCV walling, no stutter step, SCV forgetting to repair tanks even though it moved right next to it, etc. It looked exactly like what we saw in the ASL finals vs Soma. He then contrasted it with Nada and Boxer micro, and it was like night and day
If you agree with Jumperer's conclusions, then Flash's wrists likely influenced his BO selection, but probably not his micro... It seems like early game micro has always been Flash's kryptonite, even during his prime in Kespa days with healthier wrists.
I believe map effect on pro scene is overrated. Even Snow had a chance take down Flash this season. Next season Soma's most dangerous rival should be SK.
Calm: to beat flash, you can't play a 100 point game, you need to play a 200 point game Effort (who beats flash): yeah, you need to play a 200 point game
Thank goodness Sea retired so we don't have to listen to him yelling. Light's insight is barely enough to make up for all of Sea's madness and screaming for screaming's sake... Bisu's a close second in terms of loud blathering relative to useful information
Light commenting on the second SCV scouting with a Rax FE build was so neat to hear!
I don't really care what the pros think on whether the game was lost or not. The fact that they can argue on this shows their poor competitive qualities and weak mindset.
If it happened in game 1, I think it would've justifiable - save your energy to fight another day. But this was game 7, I don't understand why someone wouldn't stay on a do a fantasy gg timing.
Imagine a World Cup Finals and Messi steps up to take a penalty in the last minute of stoppage time. Opposing goalkeeper whose legs hurt and can't dive properly, walks away and says that it's gg anyways.
On May 27 2026 14:33 Azzur wrote: I don't really care what the pros think on whether the game was lost or not. The fact that they can argue on this shows their poor competitive qualities and weak mindset.
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lol.
the rest of your post is also lol. flash gg’d out like a normal player that was frustrated after getting cheesed out and making micro mistakes that cost him a trophy. too many fanboys on tl raging about this game.
On May 27 2026 14:33 Azzur wrote: I don't really care what the pros think on whether the game was lost or not. The fact that they can argue on this shows their poor competitive qualities and weak mindset.
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lol.
the rest of your post is also lol. flash gg’d out like a normal player that was frustrated after getting cheesed out and making micro mistakes that cost him a trophy. too many fanboys on tl raging about this game.
Why don't you address the post rather than just lol.
flash gg’d out like a normal player that was frustrated after getting cheesed out
My response to this is that since it's a do-or-die game 7, it is weak mindset. And for those people who think it's fine has also a weak mindset.
On May 27 2026 14:33 Azzur wrote: I don't really care what the pros think on whether the game was lost or not. The fact that they can argue on this shows their poor competitive qualities and weak mindset.
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lol.
the rest of your post is also lol. flash gg’d out like a normal player that was frustrated after getting cheesed out and making micro mistakes that cost him a trophy. too many fanboys on tl raging about this game.
Why don't you address the post rather than just lol.
“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did
What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset.
“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did
What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset.
a weak mindset is ignorance and you clearly have it trashing pro bw players giving commentary on a pro game + whining about flash gging out after he was completely dead.
i think your posting shows a weak mindset
fwiw i actually hated how flash prepared and played this series but your post is just 100% ignorance. i admire the flash fanboys raging about his decision not to lift to natural and abandon main instantly more than your post.
“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did
What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset.
a weak mindset is ignorance and you clearly have it trashing pro bw players giving commentary on a pro game + whining about flash gging out after he was completely dead.
i think your posting shows a weak mindset
But what I posted is true? I struggle to think of a scenario in any sport where commentators won't criticise players for giving up too early.
So imagine this: - In the World Cup Finals, Messi steps up to take a penalty kick in stoppage time. - Goalkeeper who has a leg injury steps aside and says it's gg. Just score into an empty net. - Commentator and past pros says this is all good, Messi will score anyways.
So answer this, what would the public reaction be?
“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did
What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset.
a weak mindset is ignorance and you clearly have it trashing pro bw players giving commentary on a pro game + whining about flash gging out after he was completely dead.
i think your posting shows a weak mindset
But what I posted is true? I struggle to think of a scenario in any sport where commentators won't criticise players for giving up too early.
So imagine this: - In the World Cup Finals, Messi steps up to take a penalty kick in stoppage time. - Goalkeeper who has a leg injury steps aside and says it's gg. Just score into an empty net. - Commentator and past pros says this is all good, Messi will score anyways.
So answer this, what would the public reaction be?
A: it’s a 1v1 game not a team sport B: it’s flash maybe you have heard of him. if he had an actual chance he would have stayed in the game C: he was completely dead at the end of the game. most of the debate from people who are more informed than you is about not playing better earlier. everyone agrees by the time he gg’d he had 0 hope left vs soma D: you think it’s true but you’re extremely ignorant thinking you know better than the actual pros calling them weak minded. that’s you. E: since you like bad hypotheticals it’s considered poor taste to make the opponent play out an actual complete checkmate when they’ve been put into an unwinnable gamestate.
“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did
What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset.
You watch StarCraft, so you must know that giving up—saying gg—when you know you've lost is a part of the etiquette of the game, right? So, I don't see why you're taking this stance that he should have stayed in and fought on. Why would he? He knew he had lost. That's when you ought to gg.
“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did
What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset.
a weak mindset is ignorance and you clearly have it trashing pro bw players giving commentary on a pro game + whining about flash gging out after he was completely dead.
i think your posting shows a weak mindset
But what I posted is true? I struggle to think of a scenario in any sport where commentators won't criticise players for giving up too early.
So imagine this: - In the World Cup Finals, Messi steps up to take a penalty kick in stoppage time. - Goalkeeper who has a leg injury steps aside and says it's gg. Just score into an empty net. - Commentator and past pros says this is all good, Messi will score anyways.
So answer this, what would the public reaction be?
What about a strategy game like chess or go? It is routine to resign if you have a sufficiently losing position in either of those games. It's a mark of respect for your opponent to not waste their time and yours playing out a position that you don't have a chance of winning. Insisting on playing out a lost position in those games isn't a mark of being tough or having fighting spirit; it's a sign of either disrespect or an inability to evaluate the game.
I think StarCraft's ethos comes a lot more from that kind of game than it comes from the team sports example you're giving.
“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did
What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset.
a weak mindset is ignorance and you clearly have it trashing pro bw players giving commentary on a pro game + whining about flash gging out after he was completely dead.
i think your posting shows a weak mindset
But what I posted is true? I struggle to think of a scenario in any sport where commentators won't criticise players for giving up too early.
So imagine this: - In the World Cup Finals, Messi steps up to take a penalty kick in stoppage time. - Goalkeeper who has a leg injury steps aside and says it's gg. Just score into an empty net. - Commentator and past pros says this is all good, Messi will score anyways.
So answer this, what would the public reaction be?
A: it’s a 1v1 game not a team sport B: it’s flash maybe you have heard of him. if he had an actual chance he would have stayed in the game C: he was completely dead at the end of the game. most of the debate from people who are more informed than you is about not playing better earlier. everyone agrees by the time he gg’d he had 0 hope left vs soma D: you think it’s true but you’re extremely ignorant thinking you know better than the actual pros calling them weak minded. that’s you. E: since you like bad hypotheticals it’s considered poor taste to make the opponent play out an actual complete checkmate when they’ve been put into an unwinnable gamestate.
A. It doesn't matter whether it's 1v1 or team sport. Same principle applies - don't give up too early. If we want to talk about 1v1 sport, lets take the case of tennis - I've seen players criticised for tanking games, and deservedly so.
B. Who cares - history is littered with great players from all sports giving up too early. And they've been criticised for it. So why does flash get an exception?
C. Flash wouldn't have been criticised if it was game1. But this is a do-or-die game7. And 0 hope is obviously incorrect as we've seen great comebacks before.
D. I'm calling them out for saying it's all good. They can explain that flash was losing but to say that it's all good to gg early is weak mindset.
E. This is binary thinking - there is a sliding scale between early gg to good gg timing and checkmate (buildings all destroyed). The fact that people are talking about it means it's definitely early gg. Which is not understandable for a game7.
“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did
What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset.
You watch StarCraft, so you must know that giving up—saying gg—when you know you've lost is a part of the etiquette of the game, right? So, I don't see why you're taking this stance that he should have stayed in and fought on. Why would he? He knew he had lost. That's when you ought to gg.
“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did
What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset.
a weak mindset is ignorance and you clearly have it trashing pro bw players giving commentary on a pro game + whining about flash gging out after he was completely dead.
i think your posting shows a weak mindset
But what I posted is true? I struggle to think of a scenario in any sport where commentators won't criticise players for giving up too early.
So imagine this: - In the World Cup Finals, Messi steps up to take a penalty kick in stoppage time. - Goalkeeper who has a leg injury steps aside and says it's gg. Just score into an empty net. - Commentator and past pros says this is all good, Messi will score anyways.
So answer this, what would the public reaction be?
What about a strategy game like chess or go? It is routine to resign if you have a sufficiently losing position in either of those games. It's a mark of respect for your opponent to not waste their time and yours playing out a position that you don't have a chance of winning. Insisting on playing out a lost position in those games isn't a mark of being tough or having fighting spirit; it's a sign of either disrespect or an inability to evaluate the game.
I think StarCraft's ethos comes a lot more from that kind of game than it comes from the team sports example you're giving.
I'm not criticising flash for not fighting till the last building is eliminated (i.e. checkmate). I'm criticising him for giving up too early in a do-or-die game.
In chess, there are players who have resigned too early, and they are similarly criticised for it. I follow chess and I cannot think of an example of player giving up early on a critical do-or-die game. And if they did, I can imagine the outcry. Again to iterate, there is a difference between resigning early in game 1 (to conserve strength) vs game 7 (do-or-die).
On May 27 2026 15:51 Azzur wrote: I'm not criticising flash for not fighting till the last building is eliminated (i.e. checkmate). I'm criticising him for giving up too early in a do-or-die game.
In chess, there are players who have resigned too early, and they are similarly criticised for it. I follow chess and I cannot think of an example of player giving up early on a critical do-or-die game. And if they did, I can imagine the outcry. Again to iterate, there is a difference between resigning early in game 1 (to conserve strength) vs game 7 (do-or-die).
Why does flash get this exemption from criticism?
Flash has no gas. He has 1 barracks.
Soma almost has enough gas for lair and can drone. Soma has speedlings.
Rush distance is LONG.
There's nothing Flash could've done after these attacks to stabilize. Either Soma floods him or outtechs him. Flash's initial mistakes (not transferring scvs, stabilizing his nat, blocking it off to prevent future runbys, getting his gas, losing his marines) caused him to be in an inwinnable situation. He got flustered and distracted by the lings/drones in his main and focused too hard on getting rid of them probably, but that's called being human. Speed lings in the main are a nightmare for any pro to deal with so that's what he focused on. And then more poured in... Maybe making a tight wall between his main and nat would've been an intetesting choice (if that's possible), but who knows.. pushing the limits of hypotheticals is such a stretch for pro's to consider in the moment, you can only expect so much from them. Now, please stop with this argument because you're literally the n-th person bringing up the same issue again and it's getting very tiring.
On May 27 2026 15:12 Azzur wrote: So imagine this: - In the World Cup Finals, Messi steps up to take a penalty kick in stoppage time. - Goalkeeper who has a leg injury steps aside and says it's gg. Just score into an empty net. - Commentator and past pros says this is all good, Messi will score anyways.
I hate these bad comparisons to other games. Please don't do it. The goalkeeper by doing nothing (standing idle) has a chance to be hit by the ball and a chance that Messi misses the goal Flash on the other hand, if he sits idle, has absolutely no chance of winning (with exceptions that Soma maybe sold the match and gg'ed earlier).
Interesting. For game 6, also noticed the detail where 1 ling was unburrowed. Was wondering if that was on purpose. Light had the same idea, apparently. Seems like a nice little mindgame trick. And yeah, Flash had BO wins six time in a row for real(arguably 7). Soma really willed it through, although micro mistakes on Flash's side sure helped.
Regarding last game...we can argue all day regarding what was the correct decision, but the mindset of Flash in that series would not try to give up main immediately. The detail about bunker in main in the 8rax game (or just blocking choke better with scvs) kind of had the same type of problem.
“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did
What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset.
You watch StarCraft, so you must know that giving up—saying gg—when you know you've lost is a part of the etiquette of the game, right? So, I don't see why you're taking this stance that he should have stayed in and fought on. Why would he? He knew he had lost. That's when you ought to gg.
On May 27 2026 15:12 Azzur wrote:
On May 27 2026 15:04 CHEONSOYUN wrote:
On May 27 2026 15:01 Azzur wrote:
“weak mindset” = i watch sc2 and don’t like something bw players said/did
What does SC2 have to do with this? If the same thing happens in SC2, I would call them out as well. Same thing with any other sport. Describe to me a situation where this is considered not a weak mindset.
a weak mindset is ignorance and you clearly have it trashing pro bw players giving commentary on a pro game + whining about flash gging out after he was completely dead.
i think your posting shows a weak mindset
But what I posted is true? I struggle to think of a scenario in any sport where commentators won't criticise players for giving up too early.
So imagine this: - In the World Cup Finals, Messi steps up to take a penalty kick in stoppage time. - Goalkeeper who has a leg injury steps aside and says it's gg. Just score into an empty net. - Commentator and past pros says this is all good, Messi will score anyways.
So answer this, what would the public reaction be?
What about a strategy game like chess or go? It is routine to resign if you have a sufficiently losing position in either of those games. It's a mark of respect for your opponent to not waste their time and yours playing out a position that you don't have a chance of winning. Insisting on playing out a lost position in those games isn't a mark of being tough or having fighting spirit; it's a sign of either disrespect or an inability to evaluate the game.
I think StarCraft's ethos comes a lot more from that kind of game than it comes from the team sports example you're giving.
I'm not criticising flash for not fighting till the last building is eliminated (i.e. checkmate). I'm criticising him for giving up too early in a do-or-die game.
In chess, there are players who have resigned too early, and they are similarly criticised for it. I follow chess and I cannot think of an example of player giving up early on a critical do-or-die game. And if they did, I can imagine the outcry. Again to iterate, there is a difference between resigning early in game 1 (to conserve strength) vs game 7 (do-or-die).
Why does flash get this exemption from criticism?
I think that analogizing checkmate to "the last building is eliminated" is a mistake. Flash hadn't lost any buildings at all, but he was still checkmated when he gg'd that last game. He didn't resign too soon, because he had lost. This isn't equivalent to a chess player resigning when they still had a path, it's equivalent to a chess player resigning when they didn't.
On May 27 2026 20:21 Kraekkling wrote: I wished I could apply some sort of tag to the people in this thread and the finals thread who are convinced that Flash shouldn't have gg'ed
On May 27 2026 20:21 Kraekkling wrote: I wished I could apply some sort of tag to the people in this thread and the finals thread who are convinced that Flash shouldn't have gg'ed
Lmao. I distinctly remember certain groups of people marking and labeling another group in history. Hopefully labeling is all you intend to do :D
But it really is shocking. I think the finals popped a knowledge bubble I've seen in the BW community. There are some people who genuinely get the game, and then on the other end people who feign understanding by number crunching, repeating maxims they don't really understand in inappropriate ways. Then strangely those people tend to have the strongest opinions and the loudest voice. A microcosm of the downfall of the social order.
On May 27 2026 20:21 Kraekkling wrote: I wished I could apply some sort of tag to the people in this thread and the finals thread who are convinced that Flash shouldn't have gg'ed
Lmao. I distinctly remember certain groups of people marking and labeling another group in history. Hopefully labeling is all you intend to do :D
But it really is shocking. I think the finals popped a knowledge bubble I've seen in the BW community. There are some people who genuinely get the game, and then on the other end people who feign understanding by number crunching, repeating maxims they don't really understand in inappropriate ways. Then strangely those people tend to have the strongest opinions and the loudest voice. A microcosm of the downfall of the social order.
Grudge match bo7? You talk too much for 0 substance and only know how to feign superiority.
On May 27 2026 20:21 Kraekkling wrote: I wished I could apply some sort of tag to the people in this thread and the finals thread who are convinced that Flash shouldn't have gg'ed
Lmao. I distinctly remember certain groups of people marking and labeling another group in history. Hopefully labeling is all you intend to do :D
But it really is shocking. I think the finals popped a knowledge bubble I've seen in the BW community. There are some people who genuinely get the game, and then on the other end people who feign understanding by number crunching, repeating maxims they don't really understand in inappropriate ways. Then strangely those people tend to have the strongest opinions and the loudest voice. A microcosm of the downfall of the social order.
Grudge match bo7? You talk too much for 0 substance and only know how to feign superiority.
Nah bro, I fear you. You know how to win from a situation that even the best pros couldn't dream of. What chance do I have? Take the W, you've been getting L's all day.
On May 27 2026 20:21 Kraekkling wrote: I wished I could apply some sort of tag to the people in this thread and the finals thread who are convinced that Flash shouldn't have gg'ed
Lmao. I distinctly remember certain groups of people marking and labeling another group in history. Hopefully labeling is all you intend to do :D
But it really is shocking. I think the finals popped a knowledge bubble I've seen in the BW community. There are some people who genuinely get the game, and then on the other end people who feign understanding by number crunching, repeating maxims they don't really understand in inappropriate ways. Then strangely those people tend to have the strongest opinions and the loudest voice. A microcosm of the downfall of the social order.
Grudge match bo7? You talk too much for 0 substance and only know how to feign superiority.
Nah bro, I fear you. You know how to win from a situation that even the best pros couldn't dream of. What chance do I have? Take the W, you've been getting L's all day.
Lol. You're a coward. If you're gonna talk this much shit about other people's understanding of the game, at least play the game. But you don't even play the game. Enough talking, quiet down and let people who actually play the game do the talking.
No offense, but you come off to me as someone who's desperate to prove himself. And I don't like to play psychologist and pretend I know you. I don't know you, and I don't want to disrespect you. But from one human being to another, please step away from BW for a week and do something else. Reconnect with a loved one and just do something else. You seem to have some unhealthiness and being here is only enabling that unhealthiness. So please bro, just chill out. Love you and hope for the best for you.
And I apologize if I come off as a shit talker or someone who's overly confident. But I've been there done that. Top ranked/ex-pro in the past. And game sense has always been my strong suit, so people say. So when the pros say basically the same stuff I do, I'm pretty confident I know what I'm talking about.
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