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ZZZero.O
Poland1629 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7212 Posts
On July 28 2024 17:49 ZZZero.O wrote: SOOP/StarCraft League/2024/AUTUMNDoes the map pool makes more sense now ? Does it justify to pick the worst maps from a pool to your event ? Picking Retro for 2v2 too ? Progamers are complaining heavily about the new SSL MP. And u just double down on your Mp and added sparkle too. Congrats. Monty Hall - Minstrel - KICK BACK - Sparkle - Retro 1.2 (2v2) imagine this MP compared to yours. Dominator KICK BACK Pantheon Dark origin Retro 2v2 Wow who could have guess you could make a decent MP for your tourney. Crazy shit right ? lol | ||
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WolFix
Poland45 Posts
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria495 Posts
On July 28 2024 18:59 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Does it justify to pick the worst maps from a pool to your event ? Picking Retro for 2v2 too ? Progamers are complaining heavily about the new SSL MP. And u just double down on your Mp and added sparkle too. Congrats. Monty Hall - Minstrel - KICK BACK - Sparkle - Retro 1.2 (2v2) imagine this MP compared to yours. Dominator KICK BACK Pantheon Dark origin Retro 2v2 Wow who could have guess you could make a decent MP for your tourney. Crazy shit right ? lol Looking forward to ESL's (Eonzerg StarLeague) map pool that everybody will agree on and will like without any complaints, because it's the most well thought out and perfected map pool in the Starcraft universe. Please share the link for us foolish people with bad taste in bw maps once it materialises! | ||
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ZZZero.O
Poland1629 Posts
On July 28 2024 18:59 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Does it justify to pick the worst maps from a pool to your event ? Picking Retro for 2v2 too ? Progamers are complaining heavily about the new SSL MP. And u just double down on your Mp and added sparkle too. Congrats. Monty Hall - Minstrel - KICK BACK - Sparkle - Retro 1.2 (2v2) imagine this MP compared to yours. Dominator KICK BACK Pantheon Dark origin Retro 2v2 Wow who could have guess you could make a decent MP for your tourney. Crazy shit right ? lol I think your map pool would be cool as well. The map pool has been updated, as I got feedback from the captains. You can check it out here: Bombastic StarLeague/Nation Wars (first 3 weeks are correct)Also when I drawed the maps for each round I used the rule "no monty hall and sparkle at the same round". I guess you missed this event to hate my maps choices: Bombastic StarLeague/Surprise Tournament | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7212 Posts
On July 28 2024 23:39 BulgarianToss wrote: Looking forward to ESL's (Eonzerg StarLeague) map pool that everybody will agree on and will like without any complaints, because it's the most well thought out and perfected map pool in the Starcraft universe. Please share the link for us foolish people with bad taste in bw maps once it materialises! No gonna lie this shit coming from you hurt. U always been in my good graces Wallace. I think your map pool would be cool as well. The map pool has been updated, as I got feedback from the captains. You can check it out here: Bombastic StarLeague/Nation Wars (first 3 weeks are correct)Also when I drawed the maps for each round I used the rule "no monty hall and sparkle at the same round". I guess you missed this event to hate my maps choices: Bombastic StarLeague/Surprise TournamentWell that is some amazing news. That said i feel sorry for my zerg brothers playing in those zerg graveyards. But that is just me i guess. | ||
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Kraekkling
767 Posts
I'd think that, say, if you were able to hit A rank on ladder at least once, you'll be very likely to not like these maps... not trying to be elitist or anything, I don't see any other option. If you fit this criteria (positive about the maps, hit A rank at least once), please explain your reasoning. | ||
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ZZZero.O
Poland1629 Posts
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SCRVN
227 Posts
I think you hit A rank on ladder at least once. Please, why you hate or don't like this map pool and/or also liked the map candidates from the SSL map pool? I am D rank from more 1.000 games at this season now (I always take B rank at all seasons, no except this one). So I can't explain for you. But I am really sure you don't understand some words: watch, enjoy, play, interesting, surprising, hoping and amazing! | ||
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ZZZero.O
Poland1629 Posts
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BulgarianToss
Bulgaria495 Posts
On July 29 2024 01:14 Kraekkling wrote: I'm heavily inclined to think that people who are positive about this map pool and/or also liked the map candidates from the SSL map pool simply lack the ability to evaluate them. I'd think that, say, if you were able to hit A rank on ladder at least once, you'll be very likely to not like these maps... not trying to be elitist or anything, I don't see any other option. If you fit this criteria (positive about the maps, hit A rank at least once), please explain your reasoning. I've hit A rank probably around 50 times in every season where i had it as a goal. No map pool has ever got in the way of me getting there. I usually end up disliking 1-2 maps for a particular match up that might lead me to ban them. Even if i don't ban them i'd still get there comfortably. On the other hand, lack of activity, games and motivation is when i end up playing a few games and stay at B rank. That is why i find it hard to believe a map pool can be all bad, but to each their own. | ||
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Kraekkling
767 Posts
On July 29 2024 01:29 SCRVN wrote: @Kraekkling I think you hit A rank on ladder at least once. Please, why you hate or don't like this map pool and/or also liked the map candidates from the SSL map pool? Seems like I should have picked my words better but whatever. I'll try to answer in good faith. This game is played for over 20 years which is quite marvelous in itself. Just as marvelous is the fact, that some sort of balance between the races exists. This is in parts due to great game design, but not only. Over the course of 20 years, we learned a LOT about how the game can be played and how matchups can be balanced with specific features of the maps that we use. Think about how the amount of available resources is fixed. Why don't we see maps with BGH-like economy? Why don't we have 3 gas in the main? Somehow, we figured out that 9+/-1 patches per base works pretty well. By now, we know that big deviations from this will result in games where one race will be inherently advantaged over another. The same is true for a lot of recurring features of modern maps. They are recurring because we identified them as necessary or useful for the possibilty of a balanced and dynamic game. My main point is: by using maps that liberally disregard the recurring features of modern macro maps, we end up with games and tournament results which are largely determined not by player skill, but by maps. But I am really sure you don't understand some words: watch, enjoy, play, interesting, surprising, hoping and amazing! I very much do and I hope for the resulting games to be exactly these things. Its just that the context from which we evaluate these things is so different. As a serious question, how would you feel if the games were played on crazy critters + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://liquipedia.net/commons/images/7/75/CrazyCritters.jpg) | ||
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ZZZero.O
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WGT-Baal
France3574 Posts
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ZZZero.O
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