EPThere is the link
I also proposed the new ASL 16 maps for the pool.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/starcraft/t/dear-blizzard-we-need-a-new-season-and-new-maps/3340
We need a new season and fresh maps.
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6811 Posts
here is the link I also proposed the new ASL 16 maps for the pool. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/starcraft/t/dear-blizzard-we-need-a-new-season-and-new-maps/3340 | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3444 Posts
It s ridiculous we have to ask every time and also hope that they are not gonna mess up something else while resetting... | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6811 Posts
On July 28 2023 05:28 WGT-Baal wrote: how about every new ASL, auto reset the ladder with the ASL maps? And may be like 1-2 more (like FS if that s what it takes to get the koreans happy) It s ridiculous we have to ask every time and also hope that they are not gonna mess up something else while resetting... hard to tell. The most realistic atm it seems 1 season x year. But even that is maybe not realistic anymore :/ | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
The map pool is made for the best players in the world, it's not made for all people. Even pro gamers don't like map pool of ASL, that's why they never play them after the league. A good map pool should be: 1 Polypoid 1 new map 1 OSL map 1 MSL map 2 ASL map 1 Proleague map | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3444 Posts
But otherwise a larger map pool of the most standard maps, and like 2-3 new/weird with 4-5 vetoes and resetting those 2-3 every season is fine too. Less work on blizzard s side | ||
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4235 Posts
prolly won't happen though. 2 seasons a year is too much to ask apparently. | ||
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LML
Germany1780 Posts
On July 28 2023 09:26 bovienchien wrote: Map pool follows ASL is the worst idea! The map pool is made for the best players in the world, it's not made for all people. Even pro gamers don't like map pool of ASL, that's why they never play them after the league. A good map pool should be: 1 Polypoid 1 new map 1 OSL map 1 MSL map 2 ASL map 1 Proleague map The irony of saying the ASL maps are bad for the map pool because they were made for the best players in the world, and then adding OSL, MSL, PL maps, which were also made for the best players 🤯 | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3444 Posts
On July 28 2023 13:25 MineraIs wrote: Is it really the best idea for a few bias non sc players to dictate the asl & blizzard ladder pool? :p That s a fair point but the best way to get "regular" ladder reset and mappool change is to make Blizzard job easy by not having them discuss what map to put. So tying it in part or in full to the biggest professional tournament (ASL) is the simplest solution. Would it make some seasons with dogshit maps? Yes possibly, but at least it would allow faster map rotation. The other extreme is a very conservative mappool that they d never change and only ladder reset (which is quite close to what s happening now). There are no other real alternatives given the amount of effort Blizzard is willing to spend here | ||
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
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TT1
Canada10014 Posts
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tec27
United States3702 Posts
On July 29 2023 09:54 MineraIs wrote: Wonder how hard it is to set an auto ladder reset schedule. It can't be done, ladder resets on bnet require a patch, which means someone has to build + QA that patch | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On July 28 2023 13:46 M3t4PhYzX wrote: this is the best ASL map pool ever, dso it would be great to see it on the ladder.. prolly won't happen though. 2 seasons a year is too much to ask apparently. Wait what? this map pool looks terrible imo. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
On July 29 2023 10:35 tec27 wrote: It can't be done, ladder resets on bnet require a patch, which means someone has to build + QA that patch QA and B.net in the same sentence, sounds like a oxymoron :D :D + Show Spoiler + sad TT | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4235 Posts
are you watching the proleague games?? banger after banger with barely any duds it's a genuinely great map pool | ||
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
As for maps, anything is fine at this point as long as we get some fresh ones in. Two seasons per year would be ideal. As most ASL maps are fresh and get updated frequently, maybe it should be offset by one season to have the final versions. So Ladder Season 1 of a year would get the maps of the second season of last years ASL, Season 2 the maps from the first ASL of that year etc. Even one season per year would be fine at this point, maybe combining maps from the last two ASLs. Its truly baffling how any kind of regular map pool update seems to be too much to ask for, even a yearly one. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6811 Posts
On July 29 2023 22:54 Lorch wrote: Truly is time to get a new season, can anyone contact scarlet, pretty sure she made the last new season happen. As for maps, anything is fine at this point as long as we get some fresh ones in. Two seasons per year would be ideal. As most ASL maps are fresh and get updated frequently, maybe it should be offset by one season to have the final versions. So Ladder Season 1 of a year would get the maps of the second season of last years ASL, Season 2 the maps from the first ASL of that year etc. Even one season per year would be fine at this point, maybe combining maps from the last two ASLs. Its truly baffling how any kind of regular map pool update seems to be too much to ask for, even a yearly one. Agree. Only 1 map update x year seems tragic to me. The way to keep the game fresh is by updating the maps. Specially when the maps are not that great. Imo this ASL map pool looks very classic and can last longer than 6 months compared to the one of optimizer, ringing bloom , shakuras temple , etc.. Thanks to everyone that posted on the blizzard forum. And i totally understand the ones that are tired from Blizzard too and dont want to collaborate. Sadly i just dont see other way to get something done :/ | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3444 Posts
On July 30 2023 18:22 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Agree. Only 1 map update x year seems tragic to me. The way to keep the game fresh is by updating the maps. Specially when the maps are not that great. Imo this ASL map pool looks very classic and can last longer than 6 months compared to the one of optimizer, ringing bloom , shakuras temple , etc.. Thanks to everyone that posted on the blizzard forum. And i totally understand the ones that are tired from Blizzard too and dont want to collaborate. Sadly i just dont see other way to get something done :/ no matter what I try i cant reply on the BNet forum post, i m not sure why. I can only like... (which I did). But you can add that the foreign tournament admins support your efforts and a new map pool, in particular BWCL. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On July 29 2023 17:46 M3t4PhYzX wrote: are you watching the proleague games?? banger after banger with barely any duds it's a genuinely great map pool Proleague has good games and boring games. The map pool is not really terrible but hardly the best ever. I personally dislike Tempest, Retro and Polypoid but some people seem to like those. | ||
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Ideas
United States8161 Posts
But honestly just do a "best of ASL maps" over the last 2-3 seasons + 1-2 older maps and I'm good. | ||
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ElMakac
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User was warned for this post | ||
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earob84
Germany175 Posts
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Ideas
United States8161 Posts
 great barrier reef, whiteout, optimizer, chain reaction, electric circuit  | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6811 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
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iRkSupperman
Norway140 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3444 Posts
On August 02 2023 01:39 iRkSupperman wrote: So they reset the ladder but the map pool is the same. Nice (: Time for a new thread "we need a new mappool!" | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1202 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4235 Posts
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Netherlands5219 Posts
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glatumin
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Entaro[AoV]
United States184 Posts
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
Here's the post These posts don't make us feel any better. It's so miserable, it doesn't help at all | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
For the love of god, let us all move to shield battery ;x I'm tempted to promise that I won't play any more tournaments/leagues if they are getting played on bnet (can't promise for my team tho). I'm so pissed ;x | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3444 Posts
On August 04 2023 00:18 Mutaller wrote: We just got a green post, not blue on the thread. Here's the post These posts don't make us feel any better. It's so miserable, it doesn't help at all it s contradictory even. The ladder was reset so someone had to do it. So since they did it why not change the map pool as well? Either nothing happens (no reset, no new maps) or something happen (a reset, here) showing that it is possible. You cant have the reset and their explanation together, one of them has to be false. | ||
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LML
Germany1780 Posts
On August 04 2023 01:27 WGT-Baal wrote: it s contradictory even. The ladder was reset so someone had to do it. So since they did it why not change the map pool as well? Either nothing happens (no reset, no new maps) or something happen (a reset, here) showing that it is possible. You cant have the reset and their explanation together, one of them has to be false. Not to mention that they broke online lobbies with their changes to how the game checks whether you already have a map when joining a custom game. Who made that change? Someone who clearly didn't stick around to fix the mess they made, nor to change ladder seasons. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4235 Posts
 Acti-Bli$$maybe under Microsoft it will get better (doubtful, but still..) | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines596 Posts
On August 04 2023 03:33 M3t4PhYzX wrote: Acti-Bli$$maybe under Microsoft it will get better (doubtful, but still..) aoe2 gets so much updates, if we can only get a quarter of that tender loving care | ||
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TT1
Canada10014 Posts
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sophisticated
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On August 04 2023 01:27 WGT-Baal wrote: it s contradictory even. The ladder was reset so someone had to do it. So since they did it why not change the map pool as well? Either nothing happens (no reset, no new maps) or something happen (a reset, here) showing that it is possible. You cant have the reset and their explanation together, one of them has to be false. Given how the reset was exactly on Aug 1st, I would not rule out that this was an automated yearly script running (i.e. cronjob). No human interaction required. One option to do this differently would be to have a permanent map pool across seasons but put like 20-30 maps in it. That wouldn't get boring as fast. Question is how do you get new maps into it. | ||
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kjhjhiuzjhg
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WGT-Baal
France3444 Posts
On August 04 2023 17:11 sophisticated wrote: Given how the reset was exactly on Aug 1st, I would not rule out that this was an automated yearly script running (i.e. cronjob). No human interaction required. One option to do this differently would be to have a permanent map pool across seasons but put like 20-30 maps in it. That wouldn't get boring as fast. Question is how do you get new maps into it. I had actually not considered that, but you are right. In which case they could easily edit it to have 6 months long season. I like the idea of a bigger map pool but then you run into issues of veto overlap etc (now those can all bne tweaked, but it needs to be considered carefully) and still it doesnt solve the problem of new maps (as in newly made maps) being added. I think the main concern is lack of transparency. If Blizzard came out like "ok guys, we just cant do anything going forward so we ll give you this mappool forever and reset every 6 months" it would probably go down better than the shambolic communication we have. Perhaps we could get on a "standard" map pool and then any new/weird map would just be played elsewhere (tournaments, custom games, Shield Battery etc). Like yeah it might be a bit boring but a lot of people (particularly in Korea, from what I gather) on ladder want normal maps to practice the basics, and then we play the tournament maps in custom games or during the tournament. We need to come up with a solution that is acceptable by Blizzard, and clearly them changing maps periodically is not it for them. | ||
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Entaro[AoV]
United States184 Posts
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Piste
6183 Posts
You could try out map specific builds that you saw your favourite progamer use. And this should be simple enough for blizzard. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5755 Posts
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sophisticated
60 Posts
On August 05 2023 01:56 maybenexttime wrote: They should just hand the game over to the community. "We don't do that kind of thing anymore." (seriously, what big company has a story for "what happens to this game once we stop putting any manhours into it?") Shield Battery is the only hope. I recommend reading the blizzard forums thread that was linked on the last page btw. Some info from the (volunteer non-employed) forum moderator about how this is run. Internet archive mirror (partial) | ||
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Leonix
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
On August 06 2023 21:54 Leonix wrote: Why dont you write them a e-mail? There is nobody to email. Bobby Kotick is busy drinking cocktails by the beach while the volunteers 'work'. Not sure if anyone is really working in this company anymore. (Other than monetization managers obviously...) - if you have suggestions about someone to email, feel free to go ahead | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
On August 07 2023 18:53 hgfrzthgffg wrote: *mod edit* Oh I see, they pay trolls around the web. That's where the money goes. P.S. Bobby is that you?  | ||
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hgfrzthgffg
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
On August 07 2023 19:04 hgfrzthgffg wrote: *mod edit* Dude, you are silly. We all payed for a product before it being fully delivered. That's the only thing we are guilty of. Me and everyone else here payed for this thing. Go play minecraft, this is starcraft. | ||
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hgfrzthgffg
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
On August 07 2023 19:18 hgfrzthgffg wrote: *mod edit* 2v2 ladder clan support axed chat commands and functionalities that were available with SC:BW the list goes on | ||
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hgfrzthgffg
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
On August 07 2023 19:20 hgfrzthgffg wrote: *mod edit* This page can be updated at any moment. You can take a deep dive into some of their promises here: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/starcraft/t/starcraft-remastered-consumer-recap-of-2019/951 | ||
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BlueStar
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KrillinFromwales
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WGT-Baal
France3444 Posts
On August 10 2023 13:17 KrillinFromwales wrote: We may need the mentality in Korea to change a bit. For the most part even tournaments seem to have nostalgia for super standard maps. It wouldn't be bad to make some low level hybrids that just have some kind of mid-range changes. And of course there's no reason not to be a little eccentric with one or two maps. Even something like a 192x128 wouldn't be bad. Korea is by far the biggest market and playerbase. It makes 0 sense for Blizzard to ignore it, it is also home to the only professional scene. Having standard maps is a must for any serious and somewhat long tournaments (by that I mean not a weekend or day tour), always has been and always will be. There are several tournaments and for fun leagues with strange or experimental maps, NSL being the biggest at the moment, and weekend or 2 week cups can also fill the space with a fast rotating mappool. That s where the fun is, ladder should be mostly non controversial and easy to run for blizzard since they clearly dont want to spend any resource. Running the risk of having absolutely broken maps for possibly a year is unacceptable, the novelty would wear off fast. Hell even on 3 months long tournament people ask for new maps then complain about the same maps they themselves chose 3 weeks in (BWCL, among others). The other solution is for a community run ladder, like fish or iccup before but it takes resources, it s also difficult on bnet without blizzard tacit agreement. SB is trying but the numbers arent quite there and I m not sure there will ever be enough. Finally, a different approach for every one who likes new and exotic map is to run your own tournaments. We need more admins anyway and running a short term tournament isnt actually very complicated, it is also a good way to get engaged in the community. Looking forward to action and not words~ (note I m not singling you out here, it is my actual wish that more people join the dwindling ranks of BW admins in the foreign scene AND that we get fun maps in fun tours often) | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
Looks like someone is trying really hard to push the conversation into a dead end by irrelevant posts/commemts. | ||
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KrillinFromwales
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On August 10 2023 23:06 WGT-Baal wrote: Korea is by far the biggest market and playerbase. It makes 0 sense for Blizzard to ignore it, it is also home to the only professional scene. Having standard maps is a must for any serious and somewhat long tournaments (by that I mean not a weekend or day tour), always has been and always will be. There are several tournaments and for fun leagues with strange or experimental maps, NSL being the biggest at the moment, and weekend or 2 week cups can also fill the space with a fast rotating mappool. That s where the fun is, ladder should be mostly non controversial and easy to run for blizzard since they clearly dont want to spend any resource. Running the risk of having absolutely broken maps for possibly a year is unacceptable, the novelty would wear off fast. Hell even on 3 months long tournament people ask for new maps then complain about the same maps they themselves chose 3 weeks in (BWCL, among others). The other solution is for a community run ladder, like fish or iccup before but it takes resources, it s also difficult on bnet without blizzard tacit agreement. SB is trying but the numbers arent quite there and I m not sure there will ever be enough. Finally, a different approach for every one who likes new and exotic map is to run your own tournaments. We need more admins anyway and running a short term tournament isnt actually very complicated, it is also a good way to get engaged in the community. Looking forward to action and not words~ (note I m not singling you out here, it is my actual wish that more people join the dwindling ranks of BW admins in the foreign scene AND that we get fun maps in fun tours often) I think that's fine. For me personally, I hope Blizzard starts to take more of an interest in itself again. At the end of the day, I don't see myself getting really interested in things aren't straightforward. I would like Blizzard to manage the map pool because I won't be playing things that aren't automated by battle.net edit: I imagine it takes only moments for them to put in place new maps. That they don't do it is weird. They released remastered and then sort of took a hands free approach to things. It seems like 8 hours of work is probably more than enough to put new maps in place. And, of course, Korean map makers could be involved. | ||
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tec27
United States3702 Posts
On August 14 2023 12:20 KrillinFromwales wrote: I think that's fine. For me personally, I hope Blizzard starts to take more of an interest in itself again. At the end of the day, I don't see myself getting really interested in things aren't straightforward. I would like Blizzard to manage the map pool because I won't be playing things that aren't automated by battle.net edit: I imagine it takes only moments for them to put in place new maps. That they don't do it is weird. They released remastered and then sort of took a hands free approach to things. It seems like 8 hours of work is probably more than enough to put new maps in place. And, of course, Korean map makers could be involved. New map pools require a patch, and they have no staff dedicated to SC:R. This means every time they do this, a new person has to figure out/learn all the steps in the process from whatever documentation exists, since the people that created the process are long gone (and there's like a 50/50 shot that they screw something up and leave things messed up for weeks until someone from the community can get ahold of anyone to fix it). I'm not sure if the "not straightforward" stuff is directed at SB, but SB is really a 1-click process for the vast majority of people (just download and install it) and we have matchmaking that is as simple to use as Blizzard's, so I'm not sure where you'd get the idea that it's complicated. | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2393 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
Please save us Scarlett! | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6811 Posts
On August 15 2023 23:02 Scarlett` wrote: Were they updated in the end ? only ladder reset KEKW | ||
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Scarlett`
Canada2393 Posts
 ill see what i can do | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On August 16 2023 08:14 Scarlett` wrote: ill see what i can do Tell them to literally just copy the ASL map pool | ||
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Siz)Beggar
United States339 Posts
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Connor5620
Australia207 Posts
On August 17 2023 13:26 Siz)Beggar wrote: bring back iccup wheres face @? sadly at this point the closest thing to iccup we have is sb and 90% of the time everyone on there is afk and noone else is really wanting to install and play on it | ||
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tec27
United States3702 Posts
On August 17 2023 17:31 Connor5620 wrote: sadly at this point the closest thing to iccup we have is sb and 90% of the time everyone on there is afk and noone else is really wanting to install and play on it There were about 1200 games played on SB's matchmaking in the last week, so I would encourage you to give it a shot if you are interested in something that is actually maintained | ||
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A.Alm
Sweden534 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
They are broken as shit. Can't wait to finish my vacation and play some ShieldBattery! | ||
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Costa Rica54 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6811 Posts
On August 18 2023 08:21 ZakRoM wrote: Seriously getting the ASL maps is a terrible idea, these maps won't be used anymore once the new ASL is announced, I even bet Pros will stop using some of the maps once the current season is over, like they did with 76 or Butter for example. Imagine having 76 for a year in ladder like it happened with Plasma lol, or how we're stuck with Butter and it isn't even used anywhere anymore, stop suggesting that please. What is your complain about the current ASL maps ? If we were talking about adding 76 to the MP i will not agree with this but this current ASL MP is very classic. The most crazy of the maps is La Campanella but not even close to 76 or Plasma level. I watch proleague games very often and the maps play out very well so even long term i dont really see the issue if you compare it with the current ladder MP. | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines596 Posts
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Scarlett`
Canada2393 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4235 Posts
On August 29 2023 16:06 Scarlett` wrote: should be coming soon tm? | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6811 Posts
On August 29 2023 16:06 Scarlett` wrote: should be coming soon Holyholy. Amazing news <3 <3 <3 | ||
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Dewaltoss
102 Posts
Thanks again! | ||
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Game[GTB]
Canada47 Posts
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VladZhin
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6811 Posts
On February 02 2024 03:17 VladZhin wrote: same story? Today there was a ladder-reset but no new maps. Honestly it is a good thing. The new ASL Mappool is terrible. I rather keep this one longer than putting the new one for a year lol. | ||
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