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MAJOR PROLEAGUE - Player stats - First half 2023
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
Curious about the outcome of the play on Champion. | ||
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TMNT
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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shakigami
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TMNT
3117 Posts
On July 22 2023 04:44 shakigami wrote: hi TMNT, what is the major proleague? apart from KCM, are there any league in Korean? There's a pinned thread in the front page of this forum about it: https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/605325-megathread-daily-proleagues Weird that the Proleague has been running for years but a lot of foreigners weren't even aware of it. Should have started the thread much sooner. | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On July 22 2023 00:50 Jumperer wrote: this chart once again proved that protoss is the most overpowered/easiest race and that terran is the weakest race. With the exception of shuttle hero best queen, terran players are the worse performers. Terrans all have low % winrate vs protoss and have by far the least amount of all-kills. Light have much higher APM than snow yet have a lower winrate. Terran only have higher winrate in TvZ because all zerg players are currently bad, it has nothing to do with the matchup. If you drop prime yellow/savior/ggaemo in today's meta they would all have over 60% winrate in zvt. When will protoss be banned from competitive starcraft like SF2 akuma, metaknight brawl, ice climbers wobble melee, and link in soul caliber? Genuinely impossible to tell whether this is parody or just the average terran player. Anyway, great writeup and information. Mini getting so many all-kills but sometimes just bombing is hilarious, totally fits him as a player. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On July 22 2023 05:45 TMNT wrote: Oh crap, I had no idea this was even a thing. This is great!There's a pinned thread in the front page of this forum about it: https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/605325-megathread-daily-proleagues Weird that the Proleague has been running for years but a lot of foreigners weren't even aware of it. Should have started the thread much sooner. | ||
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iRkSupperman
Norway140 Posts
On July 22 2023 05:45 TMNT wrote: There's a pinned thread in the front page of this forum about it: https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/605325-megathread-daily-proleagues Weird that the Proleague has been running for years but a lot of foreigners weren't even aware of it. Should have started the thread much sooner. Pretty sure that people who watched Korean pros streams and Youtube channels were aware of it. Just going by conversations I've had in various Discord servers/streams with players/watchers of Starcraft in the last years. But yes, good to have a centralised thread for it on TL as well. Thanks for managing it  | ||
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Puosu
7003 Posts
On July 22 2023 00:50 Jumperer wrote: this chart once again proved that protoss is the most overpowered/easiest race and that terran is the weakest race. With the exception of shuttle hero best queen, terran players are the worse performers. Terrans all have low % winrate vs protoss and have by far the least amount of all-kills. Light have much higher APM than snow yet have a lower winrate. Terran only have higher winrate in TvZ because all zerg players are currently bad, it has nothing to do with the matchup. If you drop prime yellow/savior/ggaemo in today's meta they would all have over 60% winrate in zvt. When will protoss be banned from competitive starcraft like SF2 akuma, metaknight brawl, ice climbers wobble melee, and link in soul caliber? not funny. Stop trying. | ||
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oxKnu
1244 Posts
The most impressive statline BY FAR is that of Mini's. Don't know what's happening in his PvZ but I assume those are numbers that will gradually increase over time, hard to believe the new ASL maps are as anti-protoss as the past couple of seasons so not too worried there. Light's TvZ: there will be no better zergs coming out any time soon so these numbers are pretty insane. We all knew it should be around 65% but this is just crazy. Hero ZvT: what the hell is going on there. Best PvP: kind of expected though, PvP at the highest level is micro + mental strength and decision-making which we can all agree he is the poorest out of anyone having reached skill levels similar to his. | ||
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TMNT
3117 Posts
This table contains win rates for all games between these players, not just Proleague (ASL, KCM, Ultimate Battle, Spongames... all included). Data is omitted in cases less than 10 games were played between the 2 players. PLAYER vs PLAYER WIN RATE, JAN-JUN 2023 (ALL GAMES) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/eGkEHaq.png) Table is to be read [row vs column], for example Mini vs Snow is 57.1% for Mini. So it mostly agrees with the Proleague table. But there are a few things to point out: -  Bisu's PvZ is still the best, or at least tie-best with Snow. Interesting that Bisu's doing better against  Soma and Queen, while Snow is doing better against Jaedong and Hero. Maybe a style clash?- Best has better PvZ than Mini. Like, vs virtually every opponent. This must be a shock.- Hero can't play ZvP anymore? When every other Zerg is beating Shuttle at a rate of 70%, Hero is the only one losing to him. - The saddest win rate belongs to Jaedong with 8% against  Light. - So Light's TvZ is actually more at 65% vs other Zergs, but him farming Jaedong at a rate of 92% boosted up his rate massively.- JYJ's TvZ may actually be better than Rush and Royal, and only second to Light. Makes a lot of sense now when he TvZ'd his way to the ASL finals. - TvP is tough for Terrans. The top 4 Terrans can barely get a positve win rate against the top 4 Protosses. - But ZvT is even worse for Zergs. Only Soma can somewhat hold his head high. The others are being beaten brutally - ZvZ has no order. While in PvP and TvT you can clearly tell who's the best and second and so on. In ZvZ they're just beating each other randomly all over the place. | ||
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ortseam
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Ideas
United States8161 Posts
But yea Soma seems to be the best ZvTer right now but his whole game plan is based on getting a huge advantage in the early game with his sublime muta control (or even just winning the game outright). Once he gets to hive tech he seems a bit weaker than a player like action or soulkey. Although I guess that sort of describes ZvT in general right now lol. | ||
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Ideas
United States8161 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19307 Posts
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TMNT
3117 Posts
On July 23 2023 04:06 Ideas wrote: Sorry if this has been answered before but how is the money divided up between players for proleague? Do only the winners receive the pot money, or participants receive some base-level cash as well? And do players get extra cash for winning their specific match? The winners take it all. Losers get nothing. So it's more cruel when there is a super ace because only 1 game/1 player is responsible for the huge cash. Players sometimes get extra reward from a specific sponsor for doing an all kill. | ||
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weiliem
2071 Posts
I think even prime Flash does not heat Snow PvT now. Those fking reavers man..... | ||
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prosatan
Romania8526 Posts
 And yes, Snow is deserving an ASL !! | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On July 23 2023 14:58 weiliem wrote: Snow deserves an ASL win man. He makes PvT looks absurdly imbalanced. I think even prime Flash does not heat Snow PvT now. Those fking reavers man..... It is highly likely he won't ever win an ASL nor any other big tittle. He looks great on the daily proleague stats but a single player league is just a whole different beast. Players from K league increase dramatically their performance compared to the top guys (Action/Shine/Rain/Stork...) and then you have also the specific preparation for each singular match. And to top it all the mental fortitude for going all the way through is something he has shown lots of cracks before. I think last ASL he had a great chance, considering the map pool and everyone else's level but he got screwed by Royal and himself in the group stage. Let me recap: ASL3 lost in group RO24 to effort/shine ASL4 lost in group RO24 to shuttle/hero ASL5 lost the finals to Rain 1/3 after beating flash 3/2 and Mini 3/1 ASL6 lost in group RO16 to effort/shuttle ASL7 lost in group RO16 to calm/last ASL8 lost the finals to flash 0/4 after beating last 3/0 and action 3/1 ASL9 lost in group RO16 to stork/larva ASL10 lost in RO8 0/3 to Soma ASL11 lost in RO8 1/3 to hero ASL12 lost in group RO16 to Light/Queen ASL13 lost in group RO24 to Royal/ggaemo ASL14 lost in RO8 0/3 to hero ASL15 lost in group RO16 to Light/Soulkey | ||
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sophisticated
60 Posts
On July 22 2023 23:03 TMNT wrote: PLAYER vs PLAYER WIN RATE, JAN-JUN 2023 (ALL GAMES) Can you make a version of this table with the number of games played between the players instead of winrate? | ||
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