There's a pinned thread in the front page of this forum about it:
https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/605325-megathread-daily-proleagues

Weird that the Proleague has been running for years but a lot of foreigners weren't even aware of it. Should have started the thread much sooner.

QOGQOG

834 Posts

July 21 2023 21:33 GMT

#28

On July 22 2023 00:50 Jumperer wrote:
this chart once again proved that protoss is the most overpowered/easiest race and that terran is the weakest race. With the exception of shuttle hero best queen, terran players are the worse performers. Terrans all have low % winrate vs protoss and have by far the least amount of all-kills. Light have much higher APM than snow yet have a lower winrate. Terran only have higher winrate in TvZ because all zerg players are currently bad, it has nothing to do with the matchup. If you drop prime yellow/savior/ggaemo in today's meta they would all have over 60% winrate in zvt.

When will protoss be banned from competitive starcraft like SF2 akuma, metaknight brawl, ice climbers wobble melee, and link in soul caliber?

Genuinely impossible to tell whether this is parody or just the average terran player.

Anyway, great writeup and information. Mini getting so many all-kills but sometimes just bombing is hilarious, totally fits him as a player.

Yorbon

Netherlands4272 Posts

July 21 2023 22:44 GMT

#29

On July 22 2023 05:45 TMNT wrote:

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Oh crap, I had no idea this was even a thing. This is great!

iRkSupperman

Norway133 Posts

July 21 2023 22:57 GMT

#30

On July 22 2023 05:45 TMNT wrote:

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Pretty sure that people who watched Korean pros streams and Youtube channels were aware of it. Just going by conversations I've had in various Discord servers/streams with players/watchers of Starcraft in the last years. But yes, good to have a centralised thread for it on TL as well. Thanks for managing it

Puosu

6985 Posts

July 22 2023 07:42 GMT

#31

not funny. Stop trying.

oxKnu

1187 Posts

July 22 2023 11:50 GMT

#32

I think Snow's numbers will slowly dwindle once Flash comes back. Fair to say that Mind/Royal/Rush are not what we would have hoped for them to be after their ASL success.

The most impressive statline BY FAR is that of Mini's. Don't know what's happening in his PvZ but I assume those are numbers that will gradually increase over time, hard to believe the new ASL maps are as anti-protoss as the past couple of seasons so not too worried there.

Light's TvZ: there will be no better zergs coming out any time soon so these numbers are pretty insane. We all knew it should be around 65% but this is just crazy.

Hero ZvT: what the hell is going on there.

Best PvP: kind of expected though, PvP at the highest level is micro + mental strength and decision-making which we can all agree he is the poorest out of anyone having reached skill levels similar to his.

TMNT

2807 Posts

July 22 2023 14:03 GMT

#33

More insights into players' performance for the first half of 2023.

This table contains win rates for all games between these players, not just Proleague (ASL, KCM, Ultimate Battle, Spongames... all included). Data is omitted in cases less than 10 games were played between the 2 players.

PLAYER vs PLAYER WIN RATE, JAN-JUN 2023 (ALL GAMES)

Table is to be read [row vs column], for example Mini vs Snow is 57.1% for Mini.

So it mostly agrees with the Proleague table. But there are a few things to point out:

-

Bisu's PvZ is still the best, or at least tie-best with

Snow. Interesting that

Bisu's doing better against

Soma and

Queen, while

Snow is doing better against

Jaedong and

Hero. Maybe a style clash?

-

Best has better PvZ than

Mini. Like, vs virtually every opponent. This must be a shock.

-

Hero can't play ZvP anymore? When every other Zerg is beating

Shuttle at a rate of 70%, Hero is the only one losing to him.

- The saddest win rate belongs to

Jaedong with 8% against

Light.

- So

Light's TvZ is actually more at 65% vs other Zergs, but him farming

Jaedong at a rate of 92% boosted up his rate massively.

-

JYJ's TvZ may actually be better than

Rush and

Royal, and only second to

Light. Makes a lot of sense now when he TvZ'd his way to the ASL finals.

- TvP is tough for Terrans. The top 4 Terrans can barely get a positve win rate against the top 4 Protosses.

- But ZvT is even worse for Zergs. Only

Soma can somewhat hold his head high. The others are being beaten brutally

- ZvZ has no order. While in PvP and TvT you can clearly tell who's the best and second and so on. In ZvZ they're just beating each other randomly all over the place.

ortseam

996 Posts

July 22 2023 18:45 GMT

#34

Hero always had trouble against Shuttle from what I remember, even back in 2015 when he was beating every other Protoss except maybe Bisu

Ideas

United States8116 Posts

July 22 2023 19:02 GMT

#35

Holy shit 8% vs light, poor JD. I remember him always having trouble vs light in the kespa days but still being able to beat him out when it mattered in the OSL/MSL (his semifinals MSL match vs light in 2010 was so epic). But damn now he's just literally a scrub for light :O

But yea Soma seems to be the best ZvTer right now but his whole game plan is based on getting a huge advantage in the early game with his sublime muta control (or even just winning the game outright). Once he gets to hive tech he seems a bit weaker than a player like action or soulkey. Although I guess that sort of describes ZvT in general right now lol.

Ideas

United States8116 Posts

July 22 2023 19:06 GMT

#36

Sorry if this has been answered before but how is the money divided up between players for proleague? Do only the winners receive the pot money, or participants receive some base-level cash as well? And do players get extra cash for winning their specific match?

BisuDagger

Bisutopia19257 Posts

July 23 2023 01:47 GMT

#37

Small note: Bisu’s PvP through Sonic era and early ASL era held an 80% win rate. If you call the modern era as the years during and after his military service, then yes his PvP isn’t as good.

TMNT

2807 Posts

July 23 2023 02:33 GMT

#38

On July 23 2023 04:06 Ideas wrote:
Sorry if this has been answered before but how is the money divided up between players for proleague? Do only the winners receive the pot money, or participants receive some base-level cash as well? And do players get extra cash for winning their specific match?

The winners take it all. Losers get nothing. So it's more cruel when there is a super ace because only 1 game/1 player is responsible for the huge cash. Players sometimes get extra reward from a specific sponsor for doing an all kill.

weiliem

2071 Posts

July 23 2023 05:58 GMT

#39

Snow deserves an ASL win man. He makes PvT looks absurdly imbalanced.
I think even prime Flash does not heat Snow PvT now. Those fking reavers man.....