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Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines622 Posts
June 14 2023 15:21 GMT
#41
On June 14 2023 03:26 TMNT wrote:
Keep in mind that the pros are still referring to this guy as "익명테란" (anonymous Terran). It's not officially confirmed anywhere. Hero in particular doesn't think it's Flash.

Would be hilarious if it turns out this is just some highly skilled amateur, or maybe it's Last who's also doing civil service.


did hero give his reasoning to why he doesn't think it's flash?
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3131 Posts
June 14 2023 15:42 GMT
#42
On June 15 2023 00:21 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 03:26 TMNT wrote:
Keep in mind that the pros are still referring to this guy as "익명테란" (anonymous Terran). It's not officially confirmed anywhere. Hero in particular doesn't think it's Flash.

Would be hilarious if it turns out this is just some highly skilled amateur, or maybe it's Last who's also doing civil service.


did hero give his reasoning to why he doesn't think it's flash?

He watched Flash vs JD and thought the Terran was too bad to be Flash.
Meanwhile JD watched the replay of that game and thought it was out-of-shape Flash.
Both make sense tbh.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-14 16:39:07
June 14 2023 16:04 GMT
#43
I would think that the hotkey-analysis should make it pretty clear. Unless he went and changed his setup in fundamental ways (but why would he do it now, after 15 years with some longer breaks?) one would expect to see the same patterns as in older replays. They should be pretty individual, at least in certain phases of a game or in certain aspects, and really hard to shake off in a game that's so dependent on good mechanics.
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria381 Posts
June 14 2023 16:23 GMT
#44
On June 14 2023 16:24 marwin wrote:
https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103422068?change_second=6877
yesterday's game vs mini
If anyone has a replay I can check the hot keys.


https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/30/player/lllllIIII000

Link provided by a dude on Ribbit, you can DL the replays.
Souden
Profile Joined May 2023
50 Posts
June 14 2023 16:52 GMT
#45
Old habits die hard. In addition to his hotkeys, during one of his matches with snow, anon terran said "잠시만요 (jamsiman-yo)," meaning "wait a minute," before pausing the game. This is what flash always does. I don't think many programmer says this, they mostly just say "PP" or "PPP" (Please Pause).

Here is when he said it in his match with snow, with timestamp provided.
https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103392026?change_second=4217

Here is when he said it in one of his past vod on afreeca when playing on the ladder.
https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/71532287?change_second=1279

Another thing that flash tends to do in mid-late game TvZ is float his buildings to chokepoints to spot incoming troops/drops after switching from bio to mech. He even explains this in one of his guides, found on youtube. As the anon terran did the same in one of his game vs Shine the other day.

https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103313613?change_second=2496


I think its flash 100%. Excited to see his return again and to see him play in the daily proleagues and next ASL.
marwin
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine111 Posts
June 14 2023 17:04 GMT
#46
On June 15 2023 01:23 Nirli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2023 16:24 marwin wrote:
https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103422068?change_second=6877
yesterday's game vs mini
If anyone has a replay I can check the hot keys.


https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/30/player/lllllIIII000

Link provided by a dude on Ribbit, you can DL the replays.

99.9% hotkey match just by brief analys. Had some doubts, when I saw his turrets simcity vs JD and a bit lower apm. Now I'd bet money that it's flash.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3131 Posts
June 14 2023 18:50 GMT
#47
This whole anonymous Terran thing may help Flash make his comeback easier after the crypto scandal. It creates content for other pros (chasing the anonymous gosu stream) and attracts viewers, thus building up the hype. Everyone's talking about Flash and getting excited. Then bam! He comes out and makes an apologizing stream.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5354 Posts
June 14 2023 21:41 GMT
#48
Good news for the foreign scene too: KogeT can finally get out of retirement again and start practicing for BSL :D
FBH #1!
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden535 Posts
June 14 2023 22:18 GMT
#49
On June 15 2023 06:41 Peeano wrote:
Good news for the foreign scene too: KogeT can finally get out of retirement again and start practicing for BSL :D


care to elaborate? ^^
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
June 15 2023 01:12 GMT
#50
On June 13 2023 22:04 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2023 21:42 Magic Powers wrote:
I'm surprised Flash is already able to compete at the very highest level. His games against Rush were pretty sick to watch.

He didn't have to go to military camp like most of them. Civil service basically means you have a full time job, so you can still play whatever you want in free time. His return would be similar to someone like Rain a couple of seasons ago, who didn't play much BW during his break but still had access to it.

Speaking about Rain, he's raised his mmr to 2700 in no time and is playing "Flash" right now. 2-2 is the current score.

Yeah I think this is actual Flash. No unknown Terran players can go 50/50 with pretty much most of the top pros like this. The fact that he lost 0-5 to Snow is understandable as well, as Light can lose like that to Snow too.


Yeah lmfao, losing to one of the best PvT players who hasn't been on break, while you're fresh coming back. Don't care how good you are that is rough to overcome. Think about it like this when flash was on and playing he still could lose games to snow, so why wouldn't snow do better considering he is rusty.

Thanks for all the updates, I wish there was more BW content, so I'm glad you're posting all of this making it easier for foreign fans to find some games to watch. Miss the old days of OSL/MSL/Proleague going on 24/7.
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2720 Posts
June 15 2023 03:10 GMT
#51
I'll believe it when I actually see it
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
Galacsia
Profile Joined February 2020
Chile163 Posts
June 15 2023 08:21 GMT
#52
Best vs 익명테란

He was getting a fair amount of negative comments and seems he closed the comment section for this video.
BeSt / Bisu ftw!!
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines622 Posts
June 15 2023 08:34 GMT
#53
On June 15 2023 17:21 Galacsia wrote:
Best vs 익명테란
https://youtu.be/PI4ItFV-4ls
He was getting a fair amount of negative comments and seems he closed the comment section for this video.


rain's video on flash, has mostly negative comments also. same is for most korean comments on others' videos on flash.
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3131 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-06-15 09:30:13
June 15 2023 09:15 GMT
#54
What kind of negative comments? What are they negative about? I don't really see many on Rain's video. Maybe they are deleted? I don't understand, even if they don't like Flash why leave negative comments on other pros youtube?

P.S: lmao Best even said in his video it's 100% Flash
At this point we can tell the others, or at least some, already know it's Flash, but just don't publicly announce it to build up the hype. Like. they surely must have a kakao talk group and asked him already lol.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden535 Posts
June 15 2023 09:32 GMT
#55
I think they're trying to cancel flash coz of the crypto scam. If that's the case, let's hope it doesn't bite.
sophisticated
Profile Joined October 2021
61 Posts
June 15 2023 09:33 GMT
#56
I could imagine that people see Flash as a pariah and think he should be treated the same way savior was to some extent, i.e. do not engage, expose or interact, i.e. pros should not play him or upload the matches just to get clicks, to be doing so should have the consequence of falling in disgrace with the community.
(my interpretation based on my understanding of how korean culture works)
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3131 Posts
June 15 2023 10:02 GMT
#57
Makes sense. Maybe one of the reasons why Bisu never rebooted his youtube channel.
Jason99
Profile Joined March 2023
2 Posts
June 15 2023 10:10 GMT
#58
I'll have to start commenting korean streams too because this makes me mad... Are all Koreans who comment 10 years olds? As long as I know NOBODY GET SCAMMED as the "story" ended before even starting.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
June 15 2023 10:46 GMT
#59
2023 is saved. I'm really intrigued how far out of shape FlaSh can go next ASL. He dominated KeSPa era, end of post KeSPA/ASL era, can he do the same with post military era - dominate the scene for the 3rd time?

When he came back for ASL1 he got to ro8 and got shut down by AlphaGo Last, who considered the best terran at that time. But then in next season he came to win back to back 3X ASL. Will that be the same case?
sunbeams are never made like me...
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3131 Posts
June 15 2023 11:02 GMT
#60
On June 15 2023 19:46 outscar wrote:
2023 is saved. I'm really intrigued how far out of shape FlaSh can go next ASL. He dominated KeSPa era, end of post KeSPA/ASL era, can he do the same with post military era - dominate the scene for the 3rd time?

When he came back for ASL1 he got to ro8 and got shut down by AlphaGo Last, who considered the best terran at that time. But then in next season he came to win back to back 3X ASL. Will that be the same case?

Flash is, surprisingly, on the younger side of the player pool. There's only Snow, Mini, Soma and Royal who are younger than him, but the last two will go to military service next year.

The only one who can stop him in the next few years is Snow.

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