EPT5:15:45 on rush's vod
FlaSh vs Rush
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jinjin5000
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5:15:45 on rush's vod | ||
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Lorch
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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iFU.spx
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Good games tho thanks | ||
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jinjin5000
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On June 13 2023 06:08 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Jinjin what happened to Hero finger ? he posted some picture with it destroyed just injured it on another note, guemchi had some horrible flesh eating infection on his vacation at SEA location and had to have surgery. | ||
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marwin
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https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103392026 starts at 00:36:40 | ||
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prosatan
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Maybe FlaSh is close to comeback and progamers already hyping it. Like they did with jaedong or even FlaSh before lol. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On June 13 2023 06:42 jinjin5000 wrote: just injured it on another note, guemchi had some horrible flesh eating infection on his vacation at SEA location and had to have surgery. Holyshit. Its him recovering from that ? | ||
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outscar
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In other hand SnOw went 5-0 on ladder. | ||
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TMNT
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Today he's 0-5 vs Snow, 1-3 vs TaengGu and 1-2 vs JYJ. I thought Flash should be better than that, no? On the other hand, Koreans are saying the sim city and hot keys are the same with Flash's, and the timing seems right (lots of rumor about him coming back in June) update: 4-3 vs JYJ now | ||
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Nirli
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Magic Powers
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TMNT
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On June 13 2023 21:42 Magic Powers wrote: I'm surprised Flash is already able to compete at the very highest level. His games against Rush were pretty sick to watch. He didn't have to go to military camp like most of them. Civil service basically means you have a full time job, so you can still play whatever you want in free time. His return would be similar to someone like Rain a couple of seasons ago, who didn't play much BW during his break but still had access to it. Speaking about Rain, he's raised his mmr to 2700 in no time and is playing "Flash" right now. 2-2 is the current score. Yeah I think this is actual Flash. No unknown Terran players can go 50/50 with pretty much most of the top pros like this. The fact that he lost 0-5 to Snow is understandable as well, as Light can lose like that to Snow too. | ||
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EndingLife
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rotta
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Highgamer
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edit: RE now ZvT | ||
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marwin
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On June 14 2023 02:29 Highgamer wrote: Playing JD right now ZvZ if I'm not mistaken. edit: RE now ZvT sick ZVT game | ||
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outscar
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Highgamer
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earob84
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+ Show Spoiler + Mini won | ||
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prosatan
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went to my baby JD and it says that he is not streaming.... let's open mini's stream!! | ||
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TMNT
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Would be hilarious if it turns out this is just some highly skilled amateur, or maybe it's Last who's also doing civil service. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8592 Posts
On June 14 2023 03:26 TMNT wrote: Keep in mind that the pros are still referring to this guy as "익명테란" (anonymous Terran). It's not officially confirmed anywhere. Hero in particular doesn't think it's Flash. Would be hilarious if it turns out this is just some highly skilled amateur, or maybe it's Last who's also doing civil service. Thank you for the info TMNT !!  Please keep us update if you have a bit of time | ||
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EndingLife
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Hotkey signature comparison needed! | ||
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earob84
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On June 14 2023 03:58 EndingLife wrote: Where is zimp? Hotkey signature comparison needed! they did that comparison and it seems like flash they say. i got screenshots in discord if u want write me there "earob" | ||
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TMNT
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On June 14 2023 03:34 prosatan wrote: Thank you for the info TMNT !! Please keep us update if you have a bit of time You will find this one funny: https://www.fmkorea.com/5868648117 | ||
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TMNT
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vs Shine 4-2 Mind 1-0 Rush 4-3 Snow 0-5 TaengGu 1-3 Stork 1-0 JYJ 4-3 SRich (aka CleangirlLE) 0-1 Rain 3-2 Zelot 1-1 Action 1-1 JD 0-1 Mini 0-1 Odd that he lost to the amateurs but with this kind of results it has to be a progamer so Flash makes the most sense. | ||
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prosatan
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prosatan
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TaengGu[WHITE] - a terran player if i recall corectly... | ||
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kogeT
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On June 14 2023 04:36 prosatan wrote: Hmmm...i remember the name TaengGu... TaengGu[WHITE] - a terran player if i recall corectly... I also remember him! + Show Spoiler + Any links to Flash games from today? | ||
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prosatan
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On June 14 2023 04:51 kogeT wrote: I also remember him! + Show Spoiler + Any links to Flash games from today? Wowww!! Well done kogeT ! | ||
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TMNT
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https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103418959?change_second=28473 After the lost (obviously) he switched right away to T: https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103418959?change_second=28971 | ||
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Mutaller
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On June 14 2023 04:24 TMNT wrote: Complete results of "Flash" vs progamers or top amateurs, excluding offrace: vs Shine 4-2 Mind 1-0 Rush 4-3 Snow 0-5 TaengGu 1-3 Stork 1-0 JYJ 4-3 SRich (aka CleangirlLE) 0-1 Rain 3-2 Zelot 1-1 Action 1-1 JD 0-1 Mini 0-1 Odd that he lost to the amateurs but with this kind of results it has to be a progamer so Flash makes the most sense. I haven't watched the games, but I assume maps and meta gaming are being employed. He knows the pro gamers while he doesn't know the amateurs. I assume he is very rusty, especially compared to these guys that play easily over 15 games a day | ||
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kogeT
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On June 14 2023 05:23 TMNT wrote: You have to go to each player's stream today and find the part where they met Flash and see from their POV. For example here's Flash vs JD (ZvZ lol): https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103418959?change_second=28473 After the lost (obviously) he switched right away to T: https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103418959?change_second=28971 Thank you for links with timestamps, just what I needed. | ||
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reincremate
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prosatan
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marwin
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yesterday's game vs mini If anyone has a replay I can check the hot keys. | ||
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Dante08
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On June 14 2023 02:27 rotta wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTRYjzmhoLM Awesome thanks for this! | ||
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prosatan
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Crimson)S(hadow
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On June 14 2023 03:26 TMNT wrote: Keep in mind that the pros are still referring to this guy as "익명테란" (anonymous Terran). It's not officially confirmed anywhere. Hero in particular doesn't think it's Flash. Would be hilarious if it turns out this is just some highly skilled amateur, or maybe it's Last who's also doing civil service. did hero give his reasoning to why he doesn't think it's flash? | ||
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TMNT
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On June 15 2023 00:21 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: did hero give his reasoning to why he doesn't think it's flash? He watched Flash vs JD and thought the Terran was too bad to be Flash. Meanwhile JD watched the replay of that game and thought it was out-of-shape Flash. Both make sense tbh. | ||
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Highgamer
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Nirli
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On June 14 2023 16:24 marwin wrote: https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103422068?change_second=6877 yesterday's game vs mini If anyone has a replay I can check the hot keys. https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/30/player/lllllIIII000 Link provided by a dude on Ribbit, you can DL the replays. | ||
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Souden
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Here is when he said it in his match with snow, with timestamp provided. https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103392026?change_second=4217 Here is when he said it in one of his past vod on afreeca when playing on the ladder. https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/71532287?change_second=1279 Another thing that flash tends to do in mid-late game TvZ is float his buildings to chokepoints to spot incoming troops/drops after switching from bio to mech. He even explains this in one of his guides, found on youtube. As the anon terran did the same in one of his game vs Shine the other day. https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103313613?change_second=2496 I think its flash 100%. Excited to see his return again and to see him play in the daily proleagues and next ASL. | ||
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marwin
Ukraine111 Posts
On June 15 2023 01:23 Nirli wrote: https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/30/player/lllllIIII000 Link provided by a dude on Ribbit, you can DL the replays. 99.9% hotkey match just by brief analys. Had some doubts, when I saw his turrets simcity vs JD and a bit lower apm. Now I'd bet money that it's flash. | ||
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TMNT
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Peeano
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A.Alm
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On June 15 2023 06:41 Peeano wrote: Good news for the foreign scene too: KogeT can finally get out of retirement again and start practicing for BSL :D care to elaborate? ^^ | ||
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NoobSkills
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On June 13 2023 22:04 TMNT wrote: He didn't have to go to military camp like most of them. Civil service basically means you have a full time job, so you can still play whatever you want in free time. His return would be similar to someone like Rain a couple of seasons ago, who didn't play much BW during his break but still had access to it. Speaking about Rain, he's raised his mmr to 2700 in no time and is playing "Flash" right now. 2-2 is the current score. Yeah I think this is actual Flash. No unknown Terran players can go 50/50 with pretty much most of the top pros like this. The fact that he lost 0-5 to Snow is understandable as well, as Light can lose like that to Snow too. Yeah lmfao, losing to one of the best PvT players who hasn't been on break, while you're fresh coming back. Don't care how good you are that is rough to overcome. Think about it like this when flash was on and playing he still could lose games to snow, so why wouldn't snow do better considering he is rusty. Thanks for all the updates, I wish there was more BW content, so I'm glad you're posting all of this making it easier for foreign fans to find some games to watch. Miss the old days of OSL/MSL/Proleague going on 24/7. | ||
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Terrorbladder
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Galacsia
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He was getting a fair amount of negative comments and seems he closed the comment section for this video. | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
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On June 15 2023 17:21 Galacsia wrote: Best vs 익명테란 https://youtu.be/PI4ItFV-4ls He was getting a fair amount of negative comments and seems he closed the comment section for this video. rain's video on flash, has mostly negative comments also. same is for most korean comments on others' videos on flash. | ||
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TMNT
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P.S: lmao Best even said in his video it's 100% Flash At this point we can tell the others, or at least some, already know it's Flash, but just don't publicly announce it to build up the hype. Like. they surely must have a kakao talk group and asked him already lol. | ||
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A.Alm
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sophisticated
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(my interpretation based on my understanding of how korean culture works) | ||
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TMNT
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Jason99
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outscar
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When he came back for ASL1 he got to ro8 and got shut down by AlphaGo Last, who considered the best terran at that time. But then in next season he came to win back to back 3X ASL. Will that be the same case? | ||
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TMNT
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On June 15 2023 19:46 outscar wrote: 2023 is saved. I'm really intrigued how far out of shape FlaSh can go next ASL. He dominated KeSPa era, end of post KeSPA/ASL era, can he do the same with post military era - dominate the scene for the 3rd time? When he came back for ASL1 he got to ro8 and got shut down by AlphaGo Last, who considered the best terran at that time. But then in next season he came to win back to back 3X ASL. Will that be the same case? Flash is, surprisingly, on the younger side of the player pool. There's only Snow, Mini, Soma and Royal who are younger than him, but the last two will go to military service next year. The only one who can stop him in the next few years is Snow. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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prosatan
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On June 15 2023 20:44 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Gonna be up to Snow , Mini , Soulkey , Light , . I wish i could say Queen but he is looking so bad these days. Effort is retired from big tours and playing k leagues. Im not sure Bisu can pull a good fight either. Indeed, effort and stork are doing quite well in K league, but I think they would struggle in the major league... | ||
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Souden
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lost 1-2 https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103481504?change_second=4118 | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
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On June 16 2023 03:12 Souden wrote: Flash and Jaedong ran into each other 3 times today on ladder and flash + Show Spoiler + lost 1-2 https://vod.afreecatv.com/player/103481504?change_second=4118 understandable, since jaedong + Show Spoiler + has been good enough to take games from royal/rush lately | ||
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whylessness
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On June 15 2023 20:02 TMNT wrote: Flash is, surprisingly, on the younger side of the player pool. There's only Snow, Mini, Soma and Royal who are younger than him, but the last two will go to military service next year. The only one who can stop him in the next few years is Snow. i remember when soma/royal broke into the scene and we considered them "young blood," now they're looking down the barrel of military service? holy shit i'm old | ||
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Dante08
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On June 16 2023 05:04 whylessness wrote: i remember when soma/royal broke into the scene and we considered them "young blood," now they're looking down the barrel of military service? holy shit i'm old BW is so hardcore that it's nearly impossible for actual young blood to break in lol. You have to be really good for years to be even at the current pro level it's kinda crazy to think about actually. | ||
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Dante08
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On June 15 2023 17:34 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: rain's video on flash, has mostly negative comments also. same is for most korean comments on others' videos on flash. https://youtu.be/P61b_MDhHDI Saw the games, the style of play is really really similar to Flash. On Eclipse Rain went for a gas steal and Flash immediately took the gas which he does. He scans carriers almost immediately when the stargate was up and went for a push and won the game. You can tell he's still abit rusty in mid-late game but another 1-2 months and he should be much better. It's crazy that a "rusty" Flash can hang with top Protoss players in late game. | ||
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SuGo
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On June 16 2023 13:13 Dante08 wrote: Saw the games, the style of play is really really similar to Flash. On Eclipse Rain went for a gas steal and Flash immediately took the gas which he does. He scans carriers almost immediately when the stargate was up and went for a push and won the game. You can tell he's still abit rusty in mid-late game but another 1-2 months and he should be much better. It's crazy that a "rusty" Flash can hang with top Protoss players in late game. It most likely is Flash (and I say this with zero example but simply because of what the korean community is rumoring), but who knows But it’s not Flash for the reasons you mentioned. Any 2000+ korean terran will do the things you used as “examples” lol. The reality is, none of us are good enough to discern by some vods and pinpoint specific things and say "yup, that's Flash" -- for foreigners, some random amateur korean terran who gets 2700 is going to look awesome for us (and they are awesome compared to us). Replay hotkey analysis is the only thing to go by coupled with the fact of good stats against progamers on ladder games, but to look at a vod and try to say "FLASH DOES THAT TOO" is just nonsense. There's tons of incredible korean terran amateurs. We just simply have a bias becuase of what the korean community tells us, but none of us have any real understanding at these high levels of play to pinpoint something specific and linking it to Flash based on gameplay. And even hotkey analysis has some level of flaw to it because these hardcore terrans, they could have easily studied flash replays and just copied his hotkeys (it sounds unrealistic to us, but the way these higher level players practice is not something we can relate to). So... who knows | ||
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Dante08
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On June 16 2023 21:24 SuGo wrote: It most likely is Flash (and I say this with zero example but simply because of what the korean community is rumoring), but who knows But it’s not Flash for the reasons you mentioned. Any 2000+ korean terran will do the things you used as “examples” lol. The reality is, none of us are good enough to discern by some vods and pinpoint specific things and say "yup, that's Flash" -- for foreigners, some random amateur korean terran who gets 2700 is going to look awesome for us (and they are awesome compared to us). Replay hotkey analysis is the only thing to go by coupled with the fact of good stats against progamers on ladder games, but to look at a vod and try to say "FLASH DOES THAT TOO" is just nonsense. There's tons of incredible korean terran amateurs. We just simply have a bias becuase of what the korean community tells us, but none of us have any real understanding at these high levels of play to pinpoint something specific and linking it to Flash based on gameplay. And even hotkey analysis has some level of flaw to it because these hardcore terrans, they could have easily studied flash replays and just copied his hotkeys (it sounds unrealistic to us, but the way these higher level players practice is not something we can relate to). So... who knows Erm not just any 2000+ Korean Terran will be able to do what that Terran did vs Rain who is an excellent player. These are ASL level players who are realistically 2800+. Do you think a 2000+ random Korean Terran will be able to beat Rain? | ||
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HOLYBATS
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RogerChillingworth
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RKC
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TMNT
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On June 18 2023 16:02 RKC wrote: Fascinating mystery! How many games does this anon Terran play off-race? Isn't that quite solid proof that the player is Flash? Who else can play Terran and off-race so well against top pros? Plus a rising amateur would typically focus on perfecting their main race rather fool around on ladder off-race. It's Flash for sure. Only the public announcement missing. If an amateur was that good, he'd brag about it everywhere instead of being anonymous. Some mentioned Fantasy or Last coming back. But Fantasy can't be that good and wouldn't offrace, and Last has no reason to play let alone do this anonymous thing. | ||
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shaka0110
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oxKnu
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Don't know what happened in the other matchups but I'd give the likelihood of that being Flash as 10/10. (just from that game) | ||
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NoobSkills
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On June 17 2023 15:23 Dante08 wrote: Erm not just any 2000+ Korean Terran will be able to do what that Terran did vs Rain who is an excellent player. These are ASL level players who are realistically 2800+. Do you think a 2000+ random Korean Terran will be able to beat Rain? Yes, I fully believe that despite how good Rain is, that a very good TvP player who is lower ranked because he loses at the other matchups could beat Rain. Not any random T, but one very good at that one matchup for sure can beat rain. | ||
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
On June 17 2023 17:18 HOLYBATS wrote: Definitely FlaSh.Preparing for legends matches. This is for sure for the Saudi tournament. Hopefully this is enough to bring him back into the competitive sphere. I hope he doesn't end up shunned like other Koreans that have made mistakes or got into trouble | ||
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Highgamer
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NoobSkills
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On June 18 2023 16:34 TMNT wrote: It's Flash for sure. Only the public announcement missing. If an amateur was that good, he'd brag about it everywhere instead of being anonymous. Some mentioned Fantasy or Last coming back. But Fantasy can't be that good and wouldn't offrace, and Last has no reason to play let alone do this anonymous thing. HEY!!!! Don't diss my man Fantasy!!! JK you're probably right, but at least when the match started you never knew what crazy wild shit he was going to throw at you. | ||
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jinjin5000
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On June 18 2023 18:42 shaka0110 wrote: What is Last up to anyway? Been awhile I am wodering where last is? and why he is not playing BW anymore? army still he uploads on his main youtube to maintain his subscribers while hes gone but hes here and there at times. | ||
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zimp
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On June 15 2023 01:23 Nirli wrote: https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/30/player/lllllIIII000 Link provided by a dude on Ribbit, you can DL the replays. https://www.mediafire.com/file/gnyqg99k0331j3c/flash new ladder.rar/file there could be other people but I don't know them all anymore. | ||
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EndingLife
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https://www.youtube.com/@SaiyanKCM/videos | ||
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ShowTheLights
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On June 20 2023 22:02 EndingLife wrote: If you want to watch casted Flash replays SayanKCM has casted Flash vs snow, jaedong, rain, stork, shine, zelot and jyj. https://www.youtube.com/@SaiyanKCM/videos I think I'm more surprised Rain is playing than I am Flash | ||
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TMNT
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prosatan
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iwanabana
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On June 21 2023 17:59 prosatan wrote: Yes, right now Sea is playing vs Killer and earlier this day, he went vs hero ! Got a link? | ||
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prosatan
Romania8592 Posts
Liquid Sea https://tl.net/video/streams/Liquid`Sea | ||
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TMNT
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