[ASL15] Afreeca Starleague To Start On Feb 28 - Page 16

On February 23 2023 15:18 Nirli wrote:


You know what I like about this whole situation? We will know soon enough.
I will go one step further. There is a greater chance for Snow to get eliminated in the groups than for him to win this ASL. I'm that confident in what I'm saying. He has a far greater chance to fumble than to achieve greatness, let's put it like that.

On February 24 2023 07:01 whylessness wrote:
this is what happens when you delay ASL 2 weeks. the thread turns into lord of the flies. also you're trippin if you follow KCM, ASL, daily proleagues etc. and don't think snow is a contender for ASL champion. but his previous results speak for themselves. took out flash in ASL, made finals twice... and he probably has the best reaver control in the world. like what?

snow used to be a pvt sniper but he's worked on his pvz a lot since those days, and with pvp more and more utilizing reavers he's looking very strong in the mu, see: daily proleague barnburner pvp between mini and snow

On February 24 2023 04:55 QOGQOG wrote:

That's the point. This layer of the tournament is going to have the biggest mismatches, if it were all Bo3/5 it would be extremely boring. Having so much ride on a single game is what makes it exciting. And it's still a Bo3 in terms of whether or not a player actually advances.

On February 24 2023 06:41 oEkY wrote:
The liquibets are open, pretty cool. i really like Snow and its sad to think so, but in my opinion JD will get out of this group as #1 and then in the final game Shuttle will win with a dt build (like he did in the final match against free in the group stage of ASL1). And (because i bet like a madman) my other bets are:

Mini/sSak
Bisu/Hyun
Best/Mind
Zero/Ruin
Light/Sacsri

On February 24 2023 08:17 ThunderJunk wrote:
But pretty much no protoss has been looking good versus T. Even Mind is looking capable of beating every protoss. Royal looks unstoppable in the MU. Light is favored too.

On February 24 2023 08:17 ThunderJunk wrote:
Snow has definitely been looking really good in PvZ. But pretty much no protoss has been looking good versus T. Even Mind is looking capable of beating every protoss. Royal looks unstoppable in the MU. Light is favored too.

On February 24 2023 08:19 RogerChillingworth wrote:
i love starcraft

On February 24 2023 15:21 TMNT wrote:

What? No. Mind is like 15% win against Mini and Snow in the past 6 months. He's still very much 50/50 vs Free and Stork in K-League and should lose to Best in every BO3.

And Royal just lost 8-11 to Snow a few days ago in a BO21. Funny that Snow led 10-2 at one point then Royal went 6 wins in a row before Snow could end the series. Overall Royal is 20-28 to Snow in 2023. The case for TvP has always been like this: Light > Rush > Royal with only Light holding a +50% record.

On February 24 2023 20:32 Original_TLer wrote:


Where can I find those data?

On February 01 2023 22:08 TMNT wrote:
A little perspective before ASL starts:
(source + matchups breakdown: http://eloboard.com/men/bbs/board.php?bo_table=pro_league&wr_id=778)



* denotes players who only or mostly played K-League, so their results are not comparable with the players from Major Proleague.

For example, the 56.4% win rate of Jaedong doesn't indicate that he's better than Hero who is at 43.6% at the moment. Jaedong recently found the Major Proleague a bit too tough for him, so he dropped down to K-League to play with the likes of Sharp, Stork, Effort.

In top form are Royal Light and Snow who all won two third of their games, especially Royal who not just won but also played a ridiculous amount of games and had several all-kills. These are the ASL champion contenders.

Bisu Best and Mini are all hovering a little above 50% which is something they always do. Although Best maybe inflates his record a bit since he played a couple of K-Leagues.

The Zergs definitely need improvement as Soma is barely above 50% and Queen & Hero are at negative records. Soulkey were playing LOL more than BW at the beginning of the month, and has just recently come back to Proleagues, so we will see.

Rush needs some extra work to catch up with the two other Terran fellows, standing at only 44.7%.

Shuttle being Shuttle, punching a bit over his weight at the Major Proleague, and understandably at 42.9%.

Kind of surprised to see JYJ, who was the hot stuff a few seasons ago, now languishing at the bottom of the table at 37%, despite playing in the second tier league mostly.

On February 24 2023 17:44 reincremate wrote:
I get why people dislike bo1, but I like the randomness, suspense, and chaos that bo1 in the Ro24 can create. We can't have our dream matchups in the later rounds all the time, because then the ASL would be more like a rather predictable reflection of sponmatch rankings.

On February 23 2023 19:49 Nirli wrote:
I don't think anyone who has played this game would put Bisu and Snow in the same tier. We're talking about the best Protoss in the history of BW.

As for Mini, while everyone was getting destroyed by Z, he was actually being creative and trying new things.
Let's not downplay a single ASL win like that, please.

I don't know why you are mentioning Flash at all, who beat Snow 2-0 PvP as random, and "beat" is an euphemism in that case.

By your observation, if you are terrible at 33% of the game, what tier are you?

Give me your top 3 Protoss players of the last 20 years, so we can end this discussion.

On February 24 2023 02:07 redknights wrote:

yep this is my humongous gripe about Ro24

bo1 AND potential for funky maps mean upset potential galore no matter who is better on paper

I think I remember a really early tastosis ASL cast where they were saying bo1 is not that unfair in BW, but the BW pros themselves know how volatile it is and it sometimes even comes down to spawn positioning luck

On February 24 2023 08:19 RogerChillingworth wrote:
i love starcraft

On February 23 2023 00:49 TMNT wrote:

And here's another one.

Every time ASL comes around, there're a bunch of foreign fans who have no knowledge of spongames, proleagues, KCM or UBE, who only watched a few ASL games and think they can deduce everything from that.

On February 24 2023 22:47 TMNT wrote:
In case somebody misses it from the Proleague thread. Bit of perspective on players' form going to the tournament. Gonna do the same table for February in a few days.