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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8638 Posts
February 22 2023 18:09 GMT
#261
What's up with the Snow x Jinjin drama though? I think that's what we should be focussing on.
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria378 Posts
February 22 2023 18:16 GMT
#262
On February 23 2023 01:30 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2023 00:55 Nirli wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:49 TMNT wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:39 Nirli wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:02 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On February 22 2023 11:41 QOGQOG wrote:
On February 22 2023 06:57 TT1 wrote:
~~~~ YEEHAW ASL15WINNERSnow ~~~~

I certainly hope so.



Don't think it's even remotely possible. This is the stubborn guy who refuses to build reavers in late game PvZ and then consistently loses said games. So unless it's somehow Snow vs. Light in the finals, you can forget it.

Also, why does Snow have so many fans? He was at the forefront of effectively shutting jinjin's YouTube channel down. jinjin, the guy who was selflessly bringing cool moments from Korean Brood War and pro streams to the foreign scene. His videos got a few thousands views, at most. But for some reason, Snow and other pros felt it was necessary to put a cork in jinjin's work.

Awful. Unforgivable, even. Snow's a jackass. And his glasses are too fucking big. I hope he loses in the groups.

Couldn't have said it better. Snow has always been a mid tier player, with some incidental good streaks, i.e. ASL final vs Flash. Extremely overrated, would rather root for mini either playing like a mad genius or ragequitting after one fumble (if I had to pick a P to root for).

And here's another one.

Every time ASL comes around, there're a bunch of foreign fans who have no knowledge of spongames, proleagues, KCM or UBE, who only watched a few ASL games and think they can deduce everything from that.

I'll bite. Can you please refer me to any major individual achievements of Snow, both KeSPA era or post-KeSPA era? If he is so consistent, which I assume your argument is, how come he has nothing to show for? Maybe he is good for the KR community with the player interviews, but come on...

Apart from Bisu JD Stork, there's literally no other current ASL players who achieved anything individually during Kespa era. So I don't know why you brought that up.

As for ASL era, he's two-time runner-up. If you only count winning as achievement then he has none, but so does Bisu, Best, Soma. Hero, Rush.

Your point is stupid (calling Snow mid-tier) because if he's mid tier then who's top? At this moment he has the best PvT (undoubtedly), the second best PvP (maybe joint best with Mini), and the third best PvZ (behind Bisu and Mini) among the Protosses.


If you are qualifying for a lot of tournaments but you aren't winning literally any of them, I would say that you are mid tier, yes. Again, if he is the best at anything, why hasn't he won anything? Is he the unluckiest man alive? Or maybe he just isn't champion material.
I brought KeSPA up to look at how he has fared historically, since he did play during that period.
Maybe Snow would make a good coach or something like that, if BW had any future that isn't basically freelancing ex-pros.
For the recent era, I would say that Rain, Bisu and Mini are the only Protoss players I would call high tier.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3110 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-22 18:22:16
February 22 2023 18:20 GMT
#263
On February 23 2023 03:09 Miragee wrote:
What's up with the Snow x Jinjin drama though? I think that's what we should be focussing on.


Yeah. If anyone has factual evidence to correct me, I'm all for it. But I was around when it all went down and by all accounts it was Snow who came forward to squash what jinjin was doing. Which to me is absolutely ludicrous for so many reasons.

This TMNT guy wasn't even responding to that, I don't think. He's just a Snow lover for gameplay, I guess.

But yeah, that whole Snow/jinjin drama reeks of greed and anti-foreigner bias. Like what jinjin was doing literally marketed korean brood war and its players to the foreign scene. Which is repeatedly labeled as "not interested in Starcraft 1" by Blizzard and other bad actors. Shit like this only fuels the narrative, because it's essentially removing the ease of access the west has to korean starcraft.

I even think jinjin tried to work something out with the streamers after they complained about him "stealing content" (basically translating and editing stuff from their games) but it was a no-go.

For me, this is enough to despise Snow and whoever else was involved unless they were to come forward and admit their mistake. And then reinstate jinjin as God-Emperor. And then give jinjin reparation cash.

Again, I'm happy to be wrong. But I remember this shit and it was just another example of why the human race ranks a few notches below chickens.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3116 Posts
February 22 2023 18:22 GMT
#264
Well then obviously your standard for top tier or mid tier is like no one else. The way you count winner as something but runner-up as nothing says more about you than the player.
Yet by the way:
On February 23 2023 03:16 Nirli wrote:
For the recent era, I would say that Rain, Bisu and Mini are the only Protoss players I would call high tier.

Since you wrote "recent", how come Bisu who never made it into an ASL final can be considered higher than Snow who did it twice?
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8638 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-22 19:18:09
February 22 2023 18:25 GMT
#265
On February 23 2023 03:16 Nirli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2023 01:30 TMNT wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:55 Nirli wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:49 TMNT wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:39 Nirli wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:02 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On February 22 2023 11:41 QOGQOG wrote:
On February 22 2023 06:57 TT1 wrote:
~~~~ YEEHAW ASL15WINNERSnow ~~~~

I certainly hope so.



Don't think it's even remotely possible. This is the stubborn guy who refuses to build reavers in late game PvZ and then consistently loses said games. So unless it's somehow Snow vs. Light in the finals, you can forget it.

Also, why does Snow have so many fans? He was at the forefront of effectively shutting jinjin's YouTube channel down. jinjin, the guy who was selflessly bringing cool moments from Korean Brood War and pro streams to the foreign scene. His videos got a few thousands views, at most. But for some reason, Snow and other pros felt it was necessary to put a cork in jinjin's work.

Awful. Unforgivable, even. Snow's a jackass. And his glasses are too fucking big. I hope he loses in the groups.

Couldn't have said it better. Snow has always been a mid tier player, with some incidental good streaks, i.e. ASL final vs Flash. Extremely overrated, would rather root for mini either playing like a mad genius or ragequitting after one fumble (if I had to pick a P to root for).

And here's another one.

Every time ASL comes around, there're a bunch of foreign fans who have no knowledge of spongames, proleagues, KCM or UBE, who only watched a few ASL games and think they can deduce everything from that.

I'll bite. Can you please refer me to any major individual achievements of Snow, both KeSPA era or post-KeSPA era? If he is so consistent, which I assume your argument is, how come he has nothing to show for? Maybe he is good for the KR community with the player interviews, but come on...

Apart from Bisu JD Stork, there's literally no other current ASL players who achieved anything individually during Kespa era. So I don't know why you brought that up.

As for ASL era, he's two-time runner-up. If you only count winning as achievement then he has none, but so does Bisu, Best, Soma. Hero, Rush.

Your point is stupid (calling Snow mid-tier) because if he's mid tier then who's top? At this moment he has the best PvT (undoubtedly), the second best PvP (maybe joint best with Mini), and the third best PvZ (behind Bisu and Mini) among the Protosses.


If you are qualifying for a lot of tournaments but you aren't winning literally any of them, I would say that you are mid tier, yes. Again, if he is the best at anything, why hasn't he won anything? Is he the unluckiest man alive? Or maybe he just isn't champion material.
I brought KeSPA up to look at how he has fared historically, since he did play during that period.
Maybe Snow would make a good coach or something like that, if BW had any future that isn't basically freelancing ex-pros.
For the recent era, I would say that Rain, Bisu and Mini are the only Protoss players I would call high tier.


I mean, Snow won stuff with serious competition, just not ASL (e.g. https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sanpao_StarLeague). If you only count ASL, why do you include Bisu in your high tier list? He never won an ASL.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3116 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-22 18:27:19
February 22 2023 18:26 GMT
#266
On February 23 2023 03:20 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2023 03:09 Miragee wrote:
What's up with the Snow x Jinjin drama though? I think that's what we should be focussing on.


Yeah. If anyone has factual evidence to correct me, I'm all for it. But I was around when it all went down and by all accounts it was Snow who came forward to squash what jinjin was doing. Which to me is absolutely ludicrous for so many reasons.

This TMNT guy wasn't even responding to that, I don't think. He's just a Snow lover for gameplay, I guess.

But yeah, that whole Snow/jinjin drama reeks of greed and anti-foreigner bias. Like what jinjin was doing literally marketed korean brood war and its players to the foreign scene. Which is repeatedly labeled as "not interested in Starcraft 1" by Blizzard and other bad actors. Shit like this only fuels the narrative, because it's essentially removing the ease of access the west has to korean starcraft.

I even think jinjin tried to work something out with the streamers after they complained about him "stealing content" (basically translating and editing stuff from their games) but it was a no-go.

For me, this is enough to despise Snow and whoever else was involved unless they were to come forward and admit their mistake. And then reinstate jinjin as God-Emperor. And then give jinjin reparation cash.

Again, I'm happy to be wrong. But I remember this shit and it was just another example of why the human race ranks a few notches below chickens.

You know why I called you misinformed, and thick?

Because jinjin himself literally had to correct people like you about facts:
[image loading]
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3110 Posts
February 22 2023 18:35 GMT
#267
On February 23 2023 03:26 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2023 03:20 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On February 23 2023 03:09 Miragee wrote:
What's up with the Snow x Jinjin drama though? I think that's what we should be focussing on.


Yeah. If anyone has factual evidence to correct me, I'm all for it. But I was around when it all went down and by all accounts it was Snow who came forward to squash what jinjin was doing. Which to me is absolutely ludicrous for so many reasons.

This TMNT guy wasn't even responding to that, I don't think. He's just a Snow lover for gameplay, I guess.

But yeah, that whole Snow/jinjin drama reeks of greed and anti-foreigner bias. Like what jinjin was doing literally marketed korean brood war and its players to the foreign scene. Which is repeatedly labeled as "not interested in Starcraft 1" by Blizzard and other bad actors. Shit like this only fuels the narrative, because it's essentially removing the ease of access the west has to korean starcraft.

I even think jinjin tried to work something out with the streamers after they complained about him "stealing content" (basically translating and editing stuff from their games) but it was a no-go.

For me, this is enough to despise Snow and whoever else was involved unless they were to come forward and admit their mistake. And then reinstate jinjin as God-Emperor. And then give jinjin reparation cash.

Again, I'm happy to be wrong. But I remember this shit and it was just another example of why the human race ranks a few notches below chickens.

You know why I called you misinformed, and thick?

Because jinjin himself literally had to correct people like you about facts:
[image loading]


"people like me"? who the fuck are you?

anyways, looks like your smoking gun is proof that snow was involved before the copyright strike? wow, no further questions your honor.

jinjin was a nice guy and i remember him not wanting to drag everyone down into the mud. like he was very accepting of the whole situation. which is why he probably made his content in the first place: altruism! A quality Snow clearly didn't have. KekeEKEkek

anyways whatever. fucking hell.
redknights
Profile Joined December 2021
206 Posts
February 22 2023 18:37 GMT
#268
Ironic because I think Snow's stream is one of the more foreign-friendly among the BW pros. During proleagues he even has English IDs of the players on the scoreboard so non-Koreans can know who is playing
redknights
Profile Joined December 2021
206 Posts
February 22 2023 18:45 GMT
#269
Group B looks like a cakewalk for Bisu, the 2 Terrans (Sharp, Barracks) have been in dogcrap form lately and Hyun was not even expected to make it into ASL in the first place

but with everything in Ro24 - best of 1s are super duper volatile (and I hate it)
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria378 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-22 19:52:23
February 22 2023 18:48 GMT
#270
On February 23 2023 03:22 TMNT wrote:
Well then obviously your standard for top tier or mid tier is like no one else. The way you count winner as something but runner-up as nothing says more about you than the player.
Yet by the way:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2023 03:16 Nirli wrote:
For the recent era, I would say that Rain, Bisu and Mini are the only Protoss players I would call high tier.

Since you wrote "recent", how come Bisu who never made it into an ASL final can be considered higher than Snow who did it twice?

I'm giving you very basic parameters, really. I wouldn't say my criteria are like no one else's.
As for Bisu, the man is basically a dinosaur yet still manages to survive and beat a lot of his peers. And he will always have the X factor and will always be able to pull off the insane plays. So while he is not as good as he once was, he still has a respectable amount of skill. Hope that makes sense.
Indeed, he hasn't won anything individually in a long time.
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria378 Posts
February 22 2023 19:10 GMT
#271
On February 23 2023 03:25 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2023 03:16 Nirli wrote:
On February 23 2023 01:30 TMNT wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:55 Nirli wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:49 TMNT wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:39 Nirli wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:02 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On February 22 2023 11:41 QOGQOG wrote:
On February 22 2023 06:57 TT1 wrote:
~~~~ YEEHAW ASL15WINNERSnow ~~~~

I certainly hope so.



Don't think it's even remotely possible. This is the stubborn guy who refuses to build reavers in late game PvZ and then consistently loses said games. So unless it's somehow Snow vs. Light in the finals, you can forget it.

Also, why does Snow have so many fans? He was at the forefront of effectively shutting jinjin's YouTube channel down. jinjin, the guy who was selflessly bringing cool moments from Korean Brood War and pro streams to the foreign scene. His videos got a few thousands views, at most. But for some reason, Snow and other pros felt it was necessary to put a cork in jinjin's work.

Awful. Unforgivable, even. Snow's a jackass. And his glasses are too fucking big. I hope he loses in the groups.

Couldn't have said it better. Snow has always been a mid tier player, with some incidental good streaks, i.e. ASL final vs Flash. Extremely overrated, would rather root for mini either playing like a mad genius or ragequitting after one fumble (if I had to pick a P to root for).

And here's another one.

Every time ASL comes around, there're a bunch of foreign fans who have no knowledge of spongames, proleagues, KCM or UBE, who only watched a few ASL games and think they can deduce everything from that.

I'll bite. Can you please refer me to any major individual achievements of Snow, both KeSPA era or post-KeSPA era? If he is so consistent, which I assume your argument is, how come he has nothing to show for? Maybe he is good for the KR community with the player interviews, but come on...

Apart from Bisu JD Stork, there's literally no other current ASL players who achieved anything individually during Kespa era. So I don't know why you brought that up.

As for ASL era, he's two-time runner-up. If you only count winning as achievement then he has none, but so does Bisu, Best, Soma. Hero, Rush.

Your point is stupid (calling Snow mid-tier) because if he's mid tier then who's top? At this moment he has the best PvT (undoubtedly), the second best PvP (maybe joint best with Mini), and the third best PvZ (behind Bisu and Mini) among the Protosses.


If you are qualifying for a lot of tournaments but you aren't winning literally any of them, I would say that you are mid tier, yes. Again, if he is the best at anything, why hasn't he won anything? Is he the unluckiest man alive? Or maybe he just isn't champion material.
I brought KeSPA up to look at how he has fared historically, since he did play during that period.
Maybe Snow would make a good coach or something like that, if BW had any future that isn't basically freelancing ex-pros.
For the recent era, I would say that Rain, Bisu and Mini are the only Protoss players I would call high tier.


I mean, Snow won stuff with serious competition, just not ASL (e.g. . If you only count ASL, why do you include Bisu in your high tier list? He never won an ASL.

I'm not very familiar with that tourney, I know it's organized by some Chinese BW people, I'll look into it.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3116 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-22 20:21:20
February 22 2023 20:14 GMT
#272
On February 23 2023 03:35 RogerChillingworth wrote:

"people like me"? who the fuck are you?

anyways, looks like your smoking gun is proof that snow was involved before the copyright strike? wow, no further questions your honor.

jinjin was a nice guy and i remember him not wanting to drag everyone down into the mud. like he was very accepting of the whole situation. which is why he probably made his content in the first place: altruism! A quality Snow clearly didn't have. KekeEKEkek

anyways whatever. fucking hell.

Ahh, come on. Man up and admit you're wrong. What's with that "whatever" cop out.

What Snow did was contact Jinjin for a takedown request, which did no damage to his channel. The issue was solved amicably. It was Queen with the copyright strike (which, while not the nicest thing to do, is still right legally - let's not call him a jackass either).

That much was literally written by Jinjin himself. So for someone who admires him you appear to be quite ignorant don't you?

By the way, "people like you" are people who have no clue what they're talking about but still talk about it aggresively. Normally I'd describe it by a four-letter word which I won't say here because it may be banned.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4235 Posts
February 22 2023 21:10 GMT
#273
By the way, "people like you" are people who have no clue what they're talking about but still talk about it aggresively. Normally I'd describe it by a four-letter word which I won't say here because it may be banned.


I'm with you brother..

this drives me up the wall both on the internet and in real life..

thanks for having enough patience to explain all this, I would not have it in me, myself.

Cheers
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
February 22 2023 22:05 GMT
#274
On February 23 2023 01:30 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2023 00:55 Nirli wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:49 TMNT wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:39 Nirli wrote:
On February 23 2023 00:02 RogerChillingworth wrote:
On February 22 2023 11:41 QOGQOG wrote:
On February 22 2023 06:57 TT1 wrote:
~~~~ YEEHAW ASL15WINNERSnow ~~~~

I certainly hope so.



Don't think it's even remotely possible. This is the stubborn guy who refuses to build reavers in late game PvZ and then consistently loses said games. So unless it's somehow Snow vs. Light in the finals, you can forget it.

Also, why does Snow have so many fans? He was at the forefront of effectively shutting jinjin's YouTube channel down. jinjin, the guy who was selflessly bringing cool moments from Korean Brood War and pro streams to the foreign scene. His videos got a few thousands views, at most. But for some reason, Snow and other pros felt it was necessary to put a cork in jinjin's work.

Awful. Unforgivable, even. Snow's a jackass. And his glasses are too fucking big. I hope he loses in the groups.

Couldn't have said it better. Snow has always been a mid tier player, with some incidental good streaks, i.e. ASL final vs Flash. Extremely overrated, would rather root for mini either playing like a mad genius or ragequitting after one fumble (if I had to pick a P to root for).

And here's another one.

Every time ASL comes around, there're a bunch of foreign fans who have no knowledge of spongames, proleagues, KCM or UBE, who only watched a few ASL games and think they can deduce everything from that.

I'll bite. Can you please refer me to any major individual achievements of Snow, both KeSPA era or post-KeSPA era? If he is so consistent, which I assume your argument is, how come he has nothing to show for? Maybe he is good for the KR community with the player interviews, but come on...

Apart from Bisu JD Stork, there's literally no other current ASL players who achieved anything individually during Kespa era. So I don't know why you brought that up.

I count an OSL silver as an achievement (Best). I also count two ASL silvers (Snow) as an achievement — agreed on that point! Snow is ridiculously solid.
May the BeSt man win.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3110 Posts
February 22 2023 22:10 GMT
#275
On February 23 2023 05:14 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2023 03:35 RogerChillingworth wrote:

"people like me"? who the fuck are you?

anyways, looks like your smoking gun is proof that snow was involved before the copyright strike? wow, no further questions your honor.

jinjin was a nice guy and i remember him not wanting to drag everyone down into the mud. like he was very accepting of the whole situation. which is why he probably made his content in the first place: altruism! A quality Snow clearly didn't have. KekeEKEkek

anyways whatever. fucking hell.

Ahh, come on. Man up and admit you're wrong. What's with that "whatever" cop out.

What Snow did was contact Jinjin for a takedown request, which did no damage to his channel. The issue was solved amicably. It was Queen with the copyright strike (which, while not the nicest thing to do, is still right legally - let's not call him a jackass either).

That much was literally written by Jinjin himself. So for someone who admires him you appear to be quite ignorant don't you?

By the way, "people like you" are people who have no clue what they're talking about but still talk about it aggresively. Normally I'd describe it by a four-letter word which I won't say here because it may be banned.


Lmfao. Dude telling me to man up while he pelts me with personal insults from the cover of internet anonymity. Very manly, brotha.

My "whatever, fucking hell" alludes to the fact that forum arguments go back and forth forever and nothing is ever solved, no matter what anyone says.

All minutia aside, because your rhetoric is awful and will only result in a never ending ping pong match where i want to kill myself:

Snow (and Queen) acted poorly and squashed nearly free marketing for their stream and game to a wider audience out of some combination of spite, pride, greed, etc. And we, the foreign audience, were hurt because of it. Even if it was just a small audience at the time.

I retain the position that it's perfectly OK to be upset about this. I retain that Snow is partially to blame. You can disagree. You can slob on the knob. You can become his lawyer. I don't give a shit.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3116 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-22 22:54:45
February 22 2023 22:51 GMT
#276
Dude, what kind of fucked up world you're living in that when someone politely sends a takedown request after his content is uploaded elsewhere wthout permission is considered an "awful, unforgivable" act that comes out of "spite, greed,..."

When Jinjin himself has to say that even Queen did nothing wrong, let alone Snow, no one should open their mouth.

And don't try to backtrack from what you said earlier. Somehow Snow who was "at the forefront" now is only "partially to blame" lol. And somehow now it's just about you being "upset about this", not that you were calling him "a jackass" and spreading other false shit.

Man up is not about internet transparency bro, in this very context it's about admitting you were wrong after acting stupidly.

Also nice to know you're the spokeperson of the foreign audience.

Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1015 Posts
February 22 2023 23:38 GMT
#277
Prediction time!

Group A: Mini > Action > sSak > HiyA
Two hyper clear favorites. sSak is not bad but also not good enough to upset these players. HiyA only entered two previous ASLs and never made it past ro24.

Group B: Bisu > BarrackS > Sharp > HyuN
Good matchups for Bisu. Sharp hasn't been good for maaaaany seasons but HyuN has barely played in ASL. BarrackS puts up slightly better results.

Group C: soma > Best > Mind > Ample
easypeasy for soma, and Best has moved on to ro16 in 12 of his 14 seasons. Ample has never made it past ro24 in four seasons.

Group D: Snow > Jaedong > Shuttle > BishOp
Obviously Snow is a monster and Jaedong usually makes it past ro24, but so does Shuttle. However I believe in the killer instinct of Jaedong. BishOp has no shot.

Group E: ZerO > Shine > Mong > Ruin
Two clear favorites here as well, and I would say ZerO's ZvZ is better than Shine's. Ruin has the same story as HiyA except he's a newer player. Mong is usually content with qualifying for ASL with his impressive 14 seasons, and never goes far.

Group F: Light > Stork > JyJ > Sacsri
Light is on a roll. It's very close between the other three players, although Sacsri hasn't been doing great lately so I put him last. JyJ could easily take the second place.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3110 Posts
February 22 2023 23:39 GMT
#278
You know what, you're right. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I was too hard on Snow without knowing all the facts. Forgive me. May my false-spreadings dissolve in the sea.

gg!
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3110 Posts
February 22 2023 23:58 GMT
#279
On February 23 2023 08:38 Freezard wrote:
Prediction time!

Group A: Mini > Action > sSak > HiyA
Two hyper clear favorites. sSak is not bad but also not good enough to upset these players. HiyA only entered two previous ASLs and never made it past ro24.

Group B: Bisu > BarrackS > Sharp > HyuN
Good matchups for Bisu. Sharp hasn't been good for maaaaany seasons but HyuN has barely played in ASL. BarrackS puts up slightly better results.

Group C: soma > Best > Mind > Ample
easypeasy for soma, and Best has moved on to ro16 in 12 of his 14 seasons. Ample has never made it past ro24 in four seasons.

Group D: Snow > Jaedong > Shuttle > BishOp
Obviously Snow is a monster and Jaedong usually makes it past ro24, but so does Shuttle. However I believe in the killer instinct of Jaedong. BishOp has no shot.

Group E: ZerO > Shine > Mong > Ruin
Two clear favorites here as well, and I would say ZerO's ZvZ is better than Shine's. Ruin has the same story as HiyA except he's a newer player. Mong is usually content with qualifying for ASL with his impressive 14 seasons, and never goes far.

Group F: Light > Stork > JyJ > Sacsri
Light is on a roll. It's very close between the other three players, although Sacsri hasn't been doing great lately so I put him last. JyJ could easily take the second place.


I feel like Shuttle might cause an upset. And maybe Sharp over BarrackS? Even tho I'm hoping for Barracks.
Poor Sacsri. Dude doesn't have a prayer.
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
February 23 2023 00:18 GMT
#280
Nice seeing you guys playing it nice and admitting when you think you're wrong, that's the spirit of TL as community. The game is already small and its never worth picking up a fight. I hope JinJin isn't having trouble lately and all of those koreans pros will eventually understand that he's helping and making popular in foreign scene and let him freely upload content. Like hell, JinJin doesn't get any monetization from it so why Zero or SnoW even bother/bothered...
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