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On February 23 2023 01:30 TMNT wrote:

Apart from Bisu JD Stork, there's literally no other current ASL players who achieved anything individually during Kespa era. So I don't know why you brought that up.

As for ASL era, he's two-time runner-up. If you only count winning as achievement then he has none, but so does Bisu, Best, Soma. Hero, Rush.

Your point is stupid (calling Snow mid-tier) because if he's mid tier then who's top? At this moment he has the best PvT (undoubtedly), the second best PvP (maybe joint best with Mini), and the third best PvZ (behind Bisu and Mini) among the Protosses.

On February 23 2023 03:09 Miragee wrote:
What's up with the Snow x Jinjin drama though? I think that's what we should be focussing on.

On February 23 2023 03:16 Nirli wrote:
For the recent era, I would say that Rain, Bisu and Mini are the only Protoss players I would call high tier.

On February 23 2023 03:16 Nirli wrote:


If you are qualifying for a lot of tournaments but you aren't winning literally any of them, I would say that you are mid tier, yes. Again, if he is the best at anything, why hasn't he won anything? Is he the unluckiest man alive? Or maybe he just isn't champion material.
I brought KeSPA up to look at how he has fared historically, since he did play during that period.
Maybe Snow would make a good coach or something like that, if BW had any future that isn't basically freelancing ex-pros.
For the recent era, I would say that Rain, Bisu and Mini are the only Protoss players I would call high tier.

On February 23 2023 03:20 RogerChillingworth wrote:


Yeah. If anyone has factual evidence to correct me, I'm all for it. But I was around when it all went down and by all accounts it was Snow who came forward to squash what jinjin was doing. Which to me is absolutely ludicrous for so many reasons.

This TMNT guy wasn't even responding to that, I don't think. He's just a Snow lover for gameplay, I guess.

But yeah, that whole Snow/jinjin drama reeks of greed and anti-foreigner bias. Like what jinjin was doing literally marketed korean brood war and its players to the foreign scene. Which is repeatedly labeled as "not interested in Starcraft 1" by Blizzard and other bad actors. Shit like this only fuels the narrative, because it's essentially removing the ease of access the west has to korean starcraft.

I even think jinjin tried to work something out with the streamers after they complained about him "stealing content" (basically translating and editing stuff from their games) but it was a no-go.

For me, this is enough to despise Snow and whoever else was involved unless they were to come forward and admit their mistake. And then reinstate jinjin as God-Emperor. And then give jinjin reparation cash.

Again, I'm happy to be wrong. But I remember this shit and it was just another example of why the human race ranks a few notches below chickens.

On February 23 2023 03:26 TMNT wrote:

You know why I called you misinformed, and thick?

Because jinjin himself literally had to correct people like you about facts:

On February 23 2023 03:22 TMNT wrote:
Well then obviously your standard for top tier or mid tier is like no one else. The way you count winner as something but runner-up as nothing says more about you than the player.
Yet by the way:

Since you wrote "recent", how come Bisu who never made it into an ASL final can be considered higher than Snow who did it twice?

On February 23 2023 03:25 Miragee wrote:


I mean, Snow won stuff with serious competition, just not ASL (e.g. . If you only count ASL, why do you include Bisu in your high tier list? He never won an ASL.

On February 23 2023 03:35 RogerChillingworth wrote:

"people like me"? who the fuck are you?

anyways, looks like your smoking gun is proof that snow was involved before the copyright strike? wow, no further questions your honor.

jinjin was a nice guy and i remember him not wanting to drag everyone down into the mud. like he was very accepting of the whole situation. which is why he probably made his content in the first place: altruism! A quality Snow clearly didn't have. KekeEKEkek

anyways whatever. fucking hell.

By the way, "people like you" are people who have no clue what they're talking about but still talk about it aggresively. Normally I'd describe it by a four-letter word which I won't say here because it may be banned.

On February 23 2023 01:30 TMNT wrote:

Apart from Bisu JD Stork, there's literally no other current ASL players who achieved anything individually during Kespa era. So I don't know why you brought that up.

On February 23 2023 05:14 TMNT wrote:

Ahh, come on. Man up and admit you're wrong. What's with that "whatever" cop out.

What Snow did was contact Jinjin for a takedown request, which did no damage to his channel. The issue was solved amicably. It was Queen with the copyright strike (which, while not the nicest thing to do, is still right legally - let's not call him a jackass either).

That much was literally written by Jinjin himself. So for someone who admires him you appear to be quite ignorant don't you?

By the way, "people like you" are people who have no clue what they're talking about but still talk about it aggresively. Normally I'd describe it by a four-letter word which I won't say here because it may be banned.

On February 23 2023 08:38 Freezard wrote:
Prediction time!

Group A: Mini > Action > sSak > HiyA
Two hyper clear favorites. sSak is not bad but also not good enough to upset these players. HiyA only entered two previous ASLs and never made it past ro24.

Group B: Bisu > BarrackS > Sharp > HyuN
Good matchups for Bisu. Sharp hasn't been good for maaaaany seasons but HyuN has barely played in ASL. BarrackS puts up slightly better results.

Group C: soma > Best > Mind > Ample
easypeasy for soma, and Best has moved on to ro16 in 12 of his 14 seasons. Ample has never made it past ro24 in four seasons.

Group D: Snow > Jaedong > Shuttle > BishOp
Obviously Snow is a monster and Jaedong usually makes it past ro24, but so does Shuttle. However I believe in the killer instinct of Jaedong. BishOp has no shot.

Group E: ZerO > Shine > Mong > Ruin
Two clear favorites here as well, and I would say ZerO's ZvZ is better than Shine's. Ruin has the same story as HiyA except he's a newer player. Mong is usually content with qualifying for ASL with his impressive 14 seasons, and never goes far.

Group F: Light > Stork > JyJ > Sacsri
Light is on a roll. It's very close between the other three players, although Sacsri hasn't been doing great lately so I put him last. JyJ could easily take the second place.