EPT[ASL15] Afreeca Starleague To Start On Feb 28 - Page 13
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TT1
Canada10010 Posts
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On February 22 2023 06:57 TT1 wrote: ~~~~ YEEHAW ASL15WINNERSnow ~~~~ I certainly hope so. | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria371 Posts
On February 22 2023 04:25 Zografa wrote: Nice we have the groups finally. About JD - he is top1 on the korean ladder of sponmatches recently(if you isolate for only 2023 results). Playing lots of volume and having decent results vs almost everyone in all matchups. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/DCBoMj3.jpeg) I watched UBE Royal vs Soma (which is included in the stats). Downright depressing stuff, R was playing maybe at 50%, S had like 1 good game in which he won, the rest were pure throws. Also, S was not GGing when it was over so much, it was kind of BM. | ||
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MeSaber
Sweden1235 Posts
On February 22 2023 06:57 TT1 wrote: ~~~~ YEEHAW ASL15WINNERSnow ~~~~ Based. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11048 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8206 Posts
I think he is the only player who played on every RO 24 of ASL ! Well done macro god - Best !  | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2927 Posts
Don't think it's even remotely possible. This is the stubborn guy who refuses to build reavers in late game PvZ and then consistently loses said games. So unless it's somehow Snow vs. Light in the finals, you can forget it. Also, why does Snow have so many fans? He was at the forefront of effectively shutting jinjin's YouTube channel down. jinjin, the guy who was selflessly bringing cool moments from Korean Brood War and pro streams to the foreign scene. His videos got a few thousands views, at most. But for some reason, Snow and other pros felt it was necessary to put a cork in jinjin's work. Awful. Unforgivable, even. Snow's a jackass. And his glasses are too fucking big. I hope he loses in the groups. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
With my predictions I'll go: A: Mini, Action B: Bisu, Sharp (I'm a Sharp believer) C: Soma, Best D: SnOw, JD E: ZerO, Ruin F: Light, Stork | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria371 Posts
On February 23 2023 00:02 RogerChillingworth wrote: Don't think it's even remotely possible. This is the stubborn guy who refuses to build reavers in late game PvZ and then consistently loses said games. So unless it's somehow Snow vs. Light in the finals, you can forget it. Also, why does Snow have so many fans? He was at the forefront of effectively shutting jinjin's YouTube channel down. jinjin, the guy who was selflessly bringing cool moments from Korean Brood War and pro streams to the foreign scene. His videos got a few thousands views, at most. But for some reason, Snow and other pros felt it was necessary to put a cork in jinjin's work. Awful. Unforgivable, even. Snow's a jackass. And his glasses are too fucking big. I hope he loses in the groups. Couldn't have said it better. Snow has always been a mid tier player, with some incidental good streaks, i.e. ASL final vs Flash. Extremely overrated, would rather root for mini either playing like a mad genius or ragequitting after one fumble (if I had to pick a P to root for). | ||
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TMNT
2776 Posts
On February 23 2023 00:02 RogerChillingworth wrote: Don't think it's even remotely possible. This is the stubborn guy who refuses to build reavers in late game PvZ and then consistently loses said games. So unless it's somehow Snow vs. Light in the finals, you can forget it. Also, why does Snow have so many fans? He was at the forefront of effectively shutting jinjin's YouTube channel down. jinjin, the guy who was selflessly bringing cool moments from Korean Brood War and pro streams to the foreign scene. His videos got a few thousands views, at most. But for some reason, Snow and other pros felt it was necessary to put a cork in jinjin's work. Awful. Unforgivable, even. Snow's a jackass. And his glasses are too fucking big. I hope he loses in the groups. Wow. I didn't know foreign fans can be this misinformed, and thick. | ||
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TMNT
2776 Posts
On February 23 2023 00:39 Nirli wrote: Couldn't have said it better. Snow has always been a mid tier player, with some incidental good streaks, i.e. ASL final vs Flash. Extremely overrated, would rather root for mini either playing like a mad genius or ragequitting after one fumble (if I had to pick a P to root for). And here's another one. Every time ASL comes around, there're a bunch of foreign fans who have no knowledge of spongames, proleagues, KCM or UBE, who only watched a few ASL games and think they can deduce everything from that. | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria371 Posts
On February 23 2023 00:49 TMNT wrote: And here's another one. Every time ASL comes around, there're a bunch of foreign fans who have no knowledge of spongames, proleagues, KCM or UBE, who only watched a few ASL games and think they can deduce everything from that. I'll bite. Can you please refer me to any major individual achievements of Snow, both KeSPA era or post-KeSPA era? If he is so consistent, which I assume your argument is, how come he has nothing to show for? Maybe he is good for the KR community with the player interviews, but come on... | ||
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TornadoSteve
1059 Posts
Soft, Mini should cruise it without too much problems, Cant see Hiya making it, even with BO1 its unlikely. Would be cool to see sSak in the RO16, he is playing better lately, and by better i mean he doesnt choke as much as he used to. But then again, Mini and Action are too much fun to rail, so im gonna go with Mini // Action also. Group B Someone posted stats on the korean ladder and I was very surprised to see Hyun with a positive winrate with that many games... I never really paid much attention to Hyun, I hope he can get out of this group with Bisu, why not. I used to like Barracks, I thought he was improving fast and steadily for a few seasons now. Dont know whats going on with him lately, poor play is an understatement, could he be injuried? Does anybody knows ? As for Sharp, bye. | ||
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TornadoSteve
1059 Posts
Anyone remembers that ASL game between the 2, ASL 7 iirc ? Last game of the day for a RO8(!) spot, Bo1 final game. Best macroing godly and is slightly ahead, then out of nowhere, decides that the time has come to pull a Best (pretty sure anybody else on the scene, or not, make that move and there is no other possible outcome: the game has been thrown. With Best on the mouse though, it was just another day at the office. Ill try to find the match and post it later to remind myself to not bet on this guy, no matter how good he can be. | ||
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TMNT
2776 Posts
On February 23 2023 00:55 Nirli wrote: I'll bite. Can you please refer me to any major individual achievements of Snow, both KeSPA era or post-KeSPA era? If he is so consistent, which I assume your argument is, how come he has nothing to show for? Maybe he is good for the KR community with the player interviews, but come on... Apart from Bisu JD Stork, there's literally no other current ASL players who achieved anything individually during Kespa era. So I don't know why you brought that up. As for ASL era, he's two-time runner-up. If you only count winning as achievement then he has none, but so does Bisu, Best, Soma. Hero, Rush. Your point is stupid (calling Snow mid-tier) because if he's mid tier then who's top? At this moment he has the best PvT (undoubtedly), the second best PvP (maybe joint best with Mini), and the third best PvZ (behind Bisu and Mini) among the Protosses. | ||
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End1ess
Canada73 Posts
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On February 23 2023 01:30 TMNT wrote: Apart from Bisu JD Stork, there's literally no other current ASL players who achieved anything individually during Kespa era. So I don't know why you brought that up. As for ASL era, he's two-time runner-up. If you only count winning as achievement then he has none, but so does Bisu, Best, Soma. Hero, Rush. Your point is stupid (calling Snow mid-tier) because if he's mid tier then who's top? At this moment he has the best PvT (undoubtedly), the second best PvP (maybe joint best with Mini), and the third best PvZ (behind Bisu and Mini) among the Protosses. Yeah, Snow has made the finals twice and was the player who broke Flash's three ASL winstreak. He is, by far, the player who has achieved the most in ASL without actually winning one. The weird hate from people doesn't really seem to correspond with reality as far as I know, but calling him a mid-tier player is straight up ridiculous. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3684 Posts
On February 23 2023 02:46 End1ess wrote: Sorry, what did Stork individually achieved in Kespa era? Obvious troll is obvious. https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Stork/Results | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5062 Posts
On February 23 2023 02:46 End1ess wrote: Sorry, what did Stork individually achieved in Kespa era? He gave us Daniel | ||
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TMNT
2776 Posts
On February 23 2023 02:52 QOGQOG wrote: Yeah, Snow has made the finals twice and was the player who broke Flash's three ASL winstreak. He is, by far, the player who has achieved the most in ASL without actually winning one. The weird hate from people doesn't really seem to correspond with reality as far as I know, but calling him a mid-tier player is straight up ridiculous. The guy was a bit unlucky that during his peak he was eliminated 3 times by Rain (1 ASL and 2 KSL) during a time Rain was unmatched in PvP. In fact you can say Rain won that ASL because Snow knocked Flash out for him. If not for Rain, Snow would have had 1 or 2 titles for himself. Luck always plays a role in this kind of tournament. For example, current ASL champion Royal (who got beaten up regularly by Snow) avoided TvP all the way during his run last season. | ||
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