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Peeano
Netherlands5689 Posts
On February 15 2023 11:28 afreecaTV.Char wrote: ASL15 is pushed back to starting on February 28. The Ro24 schedule may also be a little hectic, with the last group on March 8, and group selection on March 15. So that means Group Draw on the 28th? Thanks for letting us know! | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria387 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4267 Posts
 Bli$$ardutter scum | ||
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prosatan
Romania8982 Posts
On February 15 2023 23:13 Nirli wrote: Flash coming back from the military and keeping silent + this strange delay = sounds like a juicy coincidence. Nirli remember that we already have 24 players... Maybe someone already qualified will do Flash a favour and let him play  | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
On February 16 2023 19:12 prosatan wrote: Nirli remember that we already have 24 players... Maybe someone already qualified will do Flash a favour and let him play Some | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria387 Posts
On February 16 2023 19:12 prosatan wrote: Nirli remember that we already have 24 players... Maybe someone already qualified will do Flash a favour and let him play I hear unexpected wrist injuries are quite common among most BW pros. Most of them don't seem to get that 400 APM action going. | ||
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On February 16 2023 21:04 Nirli wrote: I hear unexpected wrist injuries are quite common among most BW pros. Most of them don't seem to get that 400 APM action going. they are common because they take zero care of their wrists until they get pain. zero knowledge about prevention. talked to some pros about it. most common pain comes in keyboard hand due to wonky wrist flexion and using keyboard stand. thickness of mechanical keyboards also destroys the wrist. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8982 Posts
Group A: Mini , Inguh , Action, sSak - 28th Feb Group B: Bisu , Hyun, Sharp, Barracks - 1st March Group C: soma, Ample, Best, Mind - 3rd March Group D: Snow, Bishop, Shuttle, JD! - 5th March Group E: Queen , Ruin, Shine, Mong - 6th March Group F: Light, Sacsri , JyJ , Stork - 8th March First group will be on 28 february. Let's go JAEDONG!! | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51116 Posts
If someone could update LP that would be nice, unfortunately not in a position do much atm | ||
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TMNT
3247 Posts
Weakest tier 1 PvZ (Snow) + weakest tier 2 player (Shuttle). The tier 4 player doesn't really matter. Last season they chose Snow + Shine thinking it was JvZ but after it didn't work out they took note this time. | ||
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redknights
206 Posts
They finally gave Sharp an easy group but his TvT has been so dogcrap lately I can see him choking yet again | ||
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Miragee
8690 Posts
Group A: Mini , Action Group B: Bisu , Sharp Group C: soma, Best Group D: Snow, JD Group E: Queen , Shine Group F: Light, JyJ On February 20 2023 21:29 TMNT wrote: The groups for JD were rigged three seasons in a row. People predicted this exact group for him after the qualifiers finished lmao. Weakest tier 1 PvZ (Snow) + weakest tier 2 player (Shuttle). The tier 4 player doesn't really matter. Last season they chose Snow + Shine thinking it was JvZ but after it didn't work out they took note this time. That's a lot of conspiratorial thoughts. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3703 Posts
Excited to see "retired from ASL" Stork play once again :D Group A: Mini, Action Group B: Bisu, Barracks Group C: soma, Best Group D: Snow, JD Group E: Queen, Shine Group F: Light, Stork (big bias, prob be jyj) | ||
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TMNT
3247 Posts
I mean, it's almost common knowledge that some popular players are given easy groups to advance to keep up the ratings. That happens in the qualifiers as well. The problem with JD is he's tier 3 so the group selection for him looks more obvious than others (like, if you're tier 1 then selecting the tier 2 and 3 that you're favorable to beat is much easier). - In this case, Snow is the most doable for JD among the tier 1 because Soulkey is already seeded. Notice that Snow was given to JD last season and Soulkey the season before. - The weakest tier 2 are Shine Shuttle and JYJ. They can't give him Shine again because it'd be the exact group of last season, so it's a toss between Shuttle and JYJ and Shuttle is preferred because he's P. - Then because there's 2 Ps already the last one has to be a T, so it's either Ample Hiya or Bishop which obviously doesn't matter. That's how people predicted this exact group (with variations of Ample/Hiya/Bishop) since the qualifiers ended. | ||
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Miragee
8690 Posts
On February 21 2023 00:20 TMNT wrote: I mean, it's almost common knowledge that some popular players are given easy groups to advance to keep up the ratings. That happens in the qualifiers as well. The problem with JD is he's tier 3 so the group selection for him looks more obvious than others (like, if you're tier 1 then selecting the tier 2 and 3 that you're favorable to beat is much easier). - In this case, Snow is the most doable for JD among the tier 1 because Soulkey is already seeded. Notice that Snow was given to JD last season and Soulkey the season before. - The weakest tier 2 are Shine Shuttle and JYJ. They can't give him Shine again because it'd be the exact group of last season, so it's a toss between Shuttle and JYJ and Shuttle is preferred because he's P. - Then because there's 2 Ps already the last one has to be a T, so it's either Ample Hiya or Bishop which obviously doesn't matter. That's how people predicted this exact group (with variations of Ample/Hiya/Bishop) since the qualifiers ended. Seeding is common in qualifiers so we don't run into a scenario where half the top dogs eliminate each other and the main tournament is flooded with less skilled players. I don't know how it went this time but usually these groups are drawn as far as I'm aware. It's either randomised or they do a group selection ceremony where they draw the original groups and then allow the players to switch some. Also, only because a particular outcome lines up it doesn't mean they selected the groups by hand to the benefit of certain players. It is possible if they don't draw the groups in public and it has happened accross different sports for sure. I just don't see any evidence in this case (yet), hence I call it a conspiracy for now. | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2056 Posts
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TMNT
3247 Posts
On February 21 2023 01:34 Miragee wrote: It is possible if they don't draw the groups in public So you're not aware that this is literally the case for every ASL Ro24 group (and qualifiers)? It's either randomised or they do a group selection ceremony where they draw the original groups and then allow the players to switch some. And this is Ro16 that you're talking about. Seeding is common in qualifiers so we don't run into a scenario where half the top dogs eliminate each other and the main tournament is flooded with less skilled players. And this is bordering on Captain Obvious territory. We're not talking about the no.1 or no.2 seeds in qualifiers. We're talking about the whole group(s). Just take a look no further than the groups of this ASL qualifier and see what an abomination it was. Obviously no one can ever definitely prove that the groups were rigged, but "coincidences" have happened too many times that this is almost common knowledge now. And the funny thing is, very few are against it because honestly (me neither), who doesn't want popular players to go deep in tournaments? | ||
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redknights
206 Posts
On February 21 2023 01:34 Miragee wrote: Seeding is common in qualifiers so we don't run into a scenario where half the top dogs eliminate each other and the main tournament is flooded with less skilled players. I don't know how it went this time but usually these groups are drawn as far as I'm aware. It's either randomised or they do a group selection ceremony where they draw the original groups and then allow the players to switch some. Also, only because a particular outcome lines up it doesn't mean they selected the groups by hand to the benefit of certain players. It is possible if they don't draw the groups in public and it has happened accross different sports for sure. I just don't see any evidence in this case (yet), hence I call it a conspiracy for now. It is not random. Former player and current Afreeca employee 910 makes the groups. He also makes the qualifying groups. Round of 24 groups are made based on the 4 tiers corresponding to ASL points. Group selection ceremony is only Round of 16. Also the Korean community itself believes there are biased groups made to favor certain players, they even have a term for it "부커조" = 부커 (booker / booking) + 조 (Group). Why wouldn't Afreeca manipulate it so that the more popular streamers made it to ASL and thus get more interest/viewership? | ||
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TMNT
3247 Posts
- the first game is on Neo Heartbreak Ridge (Terrans already crying haha) - winners and losers match on Dark Origin/76/Nemesis with each player bans 1 of the 3 (so either Dark Origin or Nemesis then) - decider match on Sylphid/Retro/Vermeer. | ||
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