EPT[ASL15] Afreeca Starleague To Start On Feb 28 - Page 9
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End1ess
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masoka82
Spain609 Posts
On January 30 2023 22:07 TMNT wrote: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/EMmJBbT.png) Thanks for the info! Do you know if there are players with 20 years or so close to tier 4? | ||
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TMNT
3406 Posts
On January 31 2023 16:16 masoka82 wrote: Thanks for the info! Do you know if there are players with 20 years or so close to tier 4? The short answer is NO Hard to know the age of amateur players but to my knowledge there's only UKKZ_Fleta who is 21 years old but he's tier 0 in the university system, which means his level is close to Tossgirl, which means he gets beaten in the first round of the ASL qualifier. Probably lower than Dewalt. | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States741 Posts
But, KCM is played on yesteryear figured out maps. I bet Protoss does better than KCM results might indicate. That said, the new 6-8 Valk into mech build is looking almost IMBA in TvZ. And Terrans seem to have gotten really good at surviving until 3/2 in TvP. Eventually, P is going to need to incorporate disruption web into their lategame or they'll just die out as Terrans get better and better at splitting the map. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 31 2023 11:07 End1ess wrote: Year of birth oh ok thanks YoB = year of birth, I see | ||
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masoka82
Spain609 Posts
On February 02 2023 07:20 ThunderJunk wrote: If you look at the KCM matches, Royal looks nigh unstoppable, Hero looks amazing, and Protoss looks like cold leftovers. But, KCM is played on yesteryear figured out maps. I bet Protoss does better than KCM results might indicate. That said, the new 6-8 Valk into mech build is looking almost IMBA in TvZ. And Terrans seem to have gotten really good at surviving until 3/2 in TvP. Eventually, P is going to need to incorporate disruption web into their lategame or they'll just die out as Terrans get better and better at splitting the map. Royal lost 2-1 vs Hyuk https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/Sanpao_StarLeague_Spring_Cup/4/Korea | ||
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TornadoSteve
1146 Posts
On February 02 2023 07:20 ThunderJunk wrote: Eventually, P is going to need to incorporate disruption web into their lategame or they'll just die out as Terrans get better and better at splitting the map. But a scout is a scout | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4300 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3479 Posts
!!?? This convo makes no sense whatsoever. | ||
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CHEONSOYUN
631 Posts
pvt = corsair scout = scout scout > corsair | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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TornadoSteve
1146 Posts
On February 02 2023 21:28 Malongo wrote: !!?? This convo makes no sense whatsoever. Not saying you should rush stargate to scout on every single PvT, lol. Especially that most terran are building a bunker at their natural nowadays... But as soon as the map is getting splitted late into the mid gamre, scouts are basically a must at the 2200+ MMR. If you can afford the speed upgrades (going for the jugular), the game play for itself. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On January 29 2023 23:04 redknights wrote: On the top top level (think solid major proleague) Zerg slightly outnumber the Terran and Protoss It's at the level right below (K League w occasional appearances in major proleague) that Protoss takes a nosedive. Unlike Terran who have a lot of borderline players (JyJ, Sharp, Ssak, Mong, Mind, Barracks), Protoss has only Shuttle and Stork with occasionally Free and Rain who are unreliable due to motivation or health or both. It's really telling that Motive and YSC can almost always nail down a spot in K League - there just isn't that much competition for Protoss slots. It was even worse for Protoss about a year ago when Rain was inactive, Stork "retired" and tried Youtube stuff, Free was in and out injured, and Bisu disappeared for coingate Effort has announced he can't play in ASL due to his wrists not being able to hold up in bo5/bo7 sets Getting into a proleague largely comes down to how much funding they're able to bring on average. Kop for example can't win proleague games but brings in a good amount of money. Same with Calm in the top proleague. Motive sometimes wins and brings in a decent amount. Also him being a protoss does help out yeah. Ruin, nOOB, tyson and Movie were mid tier protoss' but they all seem to have quit bar Ruin who came back just for ASL. Before Tyson and Movie quit they'd often get into K league over Motive, Ruin and nOOB. Once they quit the other three got more chances to get in to the point they're now regulars(except when noob and motive quit). I am happy for Motive he gets into K-leagues because I did a lot of funding for moonlight proleague over the past years and there were a few times I was the only one funding. I am glad that has changed. | ||
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TT1
Canada10104 Posts
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On January 30 2023 22:07 TMNT wrote: I made a list of notable players with age profile with respective tiers (relatively ofc). Clearly Protoss are the weakest among all tiers. Their tier 1 players (major proleague materials) wouldn't collectively beat their counterparts in T and Z (ASL and KCM records show). There's not a clear difference between tier 2 and 3, but here you can see where it gets really dire for Protoss. Not only do they lack in numbers and quality, the age of the players doesn't look good. Stork and Free are the oldest to play the last ASL and this one. And it's kind of shocking that next year that title will belong to Bisu and Best. Tier 4 is not really relevant anyway, but you can see they're either inactive (Movie, Horang2, Noob...) or are just there because there's no one else (YSC, Motive). The only hope is Ruin and Dear can improve but I wouldn't bet on that. Also kind of mental that Flash is in the younger side of the player pool eh? Now actually looking at this, Terran is kind of scary isn't it? Ssak and Mong can be moved up to tier 2 and Barracks is improving and their tier 4 players are very young. Even Zerg can't compete with that. If Brain decided to get back into the pro circuit he would be a legit tier 2/3 toss contender. | ||
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QOGQOG
834 Posts
On February 06 2023 10:19 RJBTV wrote: If Brain decided to get back into the pro circuit he would be a legit tier 2/3 toss contender. I'm still sad that he showed up for one ASL, played super well, and then dropped off the competitive scene completely. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
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ThunderJunk
United States741 Posts
I mean really, if T is on 6 bases, you're never gonna do extra damage because your units are cloaked. | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2057 Posts
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