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BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1168 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-28 08:38:21
November 28 2022 08:28 GMT
#41
On November 28 2022 06:13 Jealous wrote:
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On November 26 2022 22:00 BlueStar wrote:
On November 21 2022 00:19 Lightswarm wrote:
@Jealous, if the intention is to have CPL be more crowdsourced, the project needs a better way of communicating that to people. Is there a page where all of the TODOs are gathered and checked off? Where are people suppose to find out current status of things?

At least have something equivalent to a GitHub page where the development can be tracked. Right now, we are just using TL.net threads to discuss this

Did you try to open the link https://cplbw.com/ ?

Updating liquipedia is a pain in the ass and is not worth it from my POV, too.
In the past few years I've organized at least 3 tournaments in Bulgaria with 500-1000 EUR prize pool and you won't find any information on tl.net about them.

You know why?
- cause updating a liquipedaia page is a pain in the ass. Also if you try to do something in liquipedia it won't be publicly visible and honestly, the liquipedia responsibles are not supportive at all. They just got some outdated templates that are a pain in the ass to work with and nobody cares to make any page a public page.

And you know what? - it does not bring any additional value to organizers of mid lvl tournaments such as CPL. Ppl will join, ppl will have fun playing and networking, and this is the most important thing.

tl;dr: Liquipedia has no significant value, it's a pain in the ass to work with, and responsible ppl don't even care to make public the community contributions.


"Liquipedia has no significant value" except maybe the fact that I had no idea that https://cplbw.com/ even existed until I read about it in this thread? And that you need to make a separate account for it? And that it doesn't have previous season data? And I can't click on half the menu items (maybe I need to be signed in, so again, making a new account)? And thus it is practically invisible and useless for anyone who is trying to find out what CPL actually is, what its history is, how many players and coaches and administrators have spent hours of work on it? EDIT: Want to clarify that I mean no offense to the creators of the CPL website. It's obviously new and a work in progress, but to say that Liquipedia has no value, especially in the interim, is ridiculous IMO.

Maybe, given the fact that Liquipedia is an immensely popular resource that is used by dozens of gaming communities and hundreds if not thousands of editors, it is you who has the problem and not Liquipedia? Maybe you don't understand how to use the templates? Maybe your events are not getting approved because they are not considered significant, and you were told to edit your own user page for stuff like that, and thus you have a chip on your shoulder? Because for whatever reason, your anecdotal experience is clearly different from others'. For example, I had absolutely no issue with either Liquipedia or the Liquipedia staff when creating the original CPL Liquipedia page, from scratch, by myself. I see Liquipedia being used by prominent streamers, players, and organizers in other communities, and they all say Liquipedia is dope. Do you think, perhaps, it is possible that your experience is in the extreme minority here and is likely due to some fault of yours and not the service itself?



If the value is so significant. how does nobody care to maintain the community contributions and expand it?

Why don't you start working on it and leave everything else behind if it's the best thing in the BW universe?

I'm not here to nag, just stating the obvious.

P.S. I personally know at least 3 people who really like the idea ot liquipedia (AND YES IT'S A GREAT IDEA), started adding and updating events for several months, and then realized nobody cares to make their contributions public or maintain anything. So they stopped and don't even care to get back. If it is so significant of a value, I guess these people would even pay to add their contribution?
In what universe do you live? If somebody's efforts are gone for nothing, he won't give a shit and move forward. That's in general what is going on with liquipedia from a non-biased POV. And especially when you see that the templates are broken or plain bad, the system is outdated, buggy, and hard to work with. How do you suppose this GREAT idea can be utilized? And people be excited because of working with an overall bad platform?

gl hf
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1168 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-28 08:48:43
November 28 2022 08:40 GMT
#42
^ That's my pain as an organizer who tried to motivate people to work with liquipedia. At first they say 'yeah it's great I'll do the content there'. Then they just disappear because the platform is awful to work with.... and all that's been stated above.

So the question is:
Do you really believe it has so SIGNIFICANT value that people should work on lquipedia instead of helping the people who are involved in the activities, work on production, and organization?

I'm no Musk and we all work with limited resources - time, people, money. And liquipedia is somewhere below there just to save records. Do you think CPL now has it's own website and repository that is starting to aggregate data by accident?
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3426 Posts
November 28 2022 15:54 GMT
#43
I wish we had a separate section in liquipedia for foreign BW that isnt a "premier tour", somewhere we could put the template we want, the draws, the small tournament, player profiles even maybe, etc.

Liquipedia was meant for Korean Pro games, and it s ok for that (if a bit outdated) but it s really clumsy for any type of new content, especially with the rules as they are. But I do like the idea of a single quick access place instead of CPL having their site, BWCL theirs, BSL theirs etc, NSL etc
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