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Can ZZZero Keep Organizing BW Tours Full Time ? - Page 2
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HOLYBATS
Turkey745 Posts
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EndingLife
United States1598 Posts
It doesn't seem like a sustainable or livable income as a full time job even IF you met your goal. I hope you figure it out. Best of luck and long live BSL!!! | ||
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Piste
6181 Posts
On November 02 2022 05:08 EndingLife wrote: Yearly goal: $36,000... Payouts for 3 seasons: $19,500... $16,500 remaining for yourself before paying 5-7% donation commission, casters, sister for admin work, organizing offline LAN, arranging a gaming house, etc. I think you previously mentioned your wife was doing graphics and animations. Even if you met your monthly goal of $3000, wouldn't you only be making like 1/3 of what you did at your previous job? You previously made $2,500 a month which is $30,000 a year. After everything above considered you'd be making close to $10,000 a year. It doesn't seem like a sustainable or livable income as a full time job even IF you met your goal. I hope you figure it out. Best of luck and long live BSL!!! Cost of living is quite a lot cheaper there than in the states. same applies to most countries. I'm not an expert but I've heard 10k is even above average. But for sure zzzero's effort in the bw scene is worth way more than that  | ||
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4230 Posts
Definitely deserve to do so. | ||
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masoka82
Spain594 Posts
you can do it | ||
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
I am in the opinion of BSL is able to become sustainable but one year isn’t enough to ‘become a full time streamer’. Though BSL has been going on so long, the majority of donations honorably have always went towards the next prize pool. If the prize pool was covered then ZZZero would be sitting happy accepting donations. BSL16 is covered so let’s keep the donations coming so we can see BSL next year! Now is the time to come together and show our support for this guy, he is really shouldering a community right now. —> https://www.patreon.com/bombastic BSL Forever! PS Someone on this forum has a business and could use the sponsor as a tax write off, what’s up? | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5211 Posts
I don't know if all your backers would agree, but having 2 tournaments a year or lowering the prize pools by a bit sounds perfectly reasonable if you cannot yet make ends meet with this endeavour. Some good things have been said in this thread. Imho the players need a bit more personality to attract more attention. I believe interviews can help a ton there until the bootcamp goal can be met. KeSPA-era would not have been the same if there weren't winners' interviews every pro- winnersleague for example. Thanks for all the effort you put in! | ||
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
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NWVenOm1
Poland1 Post
Secondly, I do think, that the most part of this lets so called job is already done, and graphics etc is already there. You do not have to work full time on it. The league is just running and players are playing, so beside that - you got admins, graphics and casters. So what exactly you do when community wants to pay you that much per month? I mean be serious. A lot of players during the streams etc donates and subscribe. You did 2 or 3 leagues with additional tours, but that is going after hours. I personally think that you can take 2,5k from community and works 8-16 wiith same content you gave as already. It is simply enough to make 1 or 2 BSL leagues which take for example 2 months per each league not 3 weeks. It is really enough with some extra short tours it will be enough. I do appreciate what you do, but I think it is just begging for money to let you leave in very goood level in Poland, while in fact you do not work 168 hours per day on BSL. Come on. We can support you but I think that you over estimated it very much. Thanks again for what you do, but I think you should reconsider what you posted. | ||
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EndingLife
United States1598 Posts
Have you thought about working part time while running BSL? It might be enough supplemental income to match what you were previously making while working your full time job in the real world. I think better advertising, marketing and sponsors is what's needed most to keep the project growing. Maybe even hire a small team as an investment to work on this as whatever is currently in place isn't working or showing much signs of growth. | ||
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pebble444
Italy2500 Posts
On November 05 2022 23:06 NWVenOm1 wrote: So what exactly you do when community wants to pay you that much per month? Considering he (and i assume others) created BSL in the first place, ran it for years putting sweat, tears and devoted their own time to making it nice, i assume he is asking the community to secure a better future for his family. so yeah, noble intention, perhaps overestimated the ability to support oneself and others through creating content, happens all the time. My opinion ZZZero is that Blizzard is the only entity that can keep supporting the BSL for more than 5 years. you should insist with them. for them what you are asking is peanuts, and they have a solid reason to back you and the foreign Broodwar community. People give as much as they see fit, and that is a good boost to finances, along with youtube ads, and trovo. [on a side note, i find that financially moving to trovo made no sense, as you might have got an immediate boost, but most content creators form the core of their income through donations, people' s passions. And Twitch has basically a monopoly on online streaming, at least in the West. on twitch there is loads of people, streams, and it is that what creates hype in something.] So my opinion keeps being that the only ones that can solve your case, is Blizzard themselves, no matter how shitty Blizzard has treated Broodwar itself since the release of remaster. you should insist and repitch with them. In Starcraft, your organization is bigger and more relevant that Blizzard at the moment (excluding Korea, which has no interest in financially supporting foreign Broodwar) i will also add that the last tournament i watched was the Latin American Tour, which had some incredible games (go watch it if you missed it). i personally have found that since you started doing this full time, Quantity has increased dramatically, but Quality has lowered considerbly. | ||
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WhistlerR-
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
1. Consider down-sizing BSL in these times: there's a financial crisis going on that is affecting the low and middle-class, which I assume is where most BW fans are. 2. No more Trovo. Unless they pay 5K per tournament, then their contribution is not worth it. The reality is, nothing comes close to Twitch and Youtube when it comes to gaming live streams. 3. Focus on the quality of the tournament: when we had half of BSL being China and then the other the rest of the world, the quality of the games was very good. In case of BW, I think expansion doesn't work quite well. 4. Diversify the content: add some showmatches now and again in the weekends: easier to organize and frees up the ability to bring in some new faces: some semi-pro level Koreans, RaceWars, Continental Battles. Maybe invite Artosis to host some of the special events (he'll make his money from the stream alone, don't worry). 5. Implement crypto donations, even consider creating some sort of collectibles related to BSL. (yes, NFTS etc) The path forward is consistent growth and putting forward a great product (meaning good quality games, some drama, something to throw money at etc). Given the size of the community and the nature of the job the possibility for a consistent income stream is low. However these things depend a lot on random things that you have no control over (like someone having a blast watching the streams and putting in big donations, the overall appetite for gaming etc) | ||
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ZZZero.O
Poland1578 Posts
After May they offered me option that they can finance some side event which will be casted exclusively on their platform (That's how I got funding for BSL 2v2), they were satisfied and offered the same option again (That's how I got funding for BSL Surprise Tour). So having two options 1) Not have BSL Tours 2) Have BSL Tours but on Trovo, I choosed option nr. 2 - according to the strategy of making as many good events as possible to keep players busy, give them reason to practice. So I understand that you feel like Trovo is bad for BSL - maybe it actually is, cuz it's additional effort of organizing those events - but without Trovo there would be no side events which were casted there. However I never agreed to move BSL ProLeague on Trovo, cuz I'm aware it would kill 'new audience income'. So don't worry, BSL Season 16 will be casted exclusively on Twitch.tv/ZZZeroPL | ||
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sas.Sziky
Hungary332 Posts
this would be nothing to them, as they have 100 competitions a year ( we still can't play any of Chinese event  ) sorry im not complain or just little just bad to see how Chinese players have 100 tour + always play vs Korean Pros,semi pros( in contrast we have only the wonderful ladder which is slowly unplayable) and we only have 3-4 tour / year which we are slowly sharing with everyone. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4230 Posts
On November 06 2022 03:49 WhistlerR- wrote: trovo is killing bsl idk about "killing".. but it was doing way better on twitch, I think.. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4230 Posts
On November 06 2022 22:34 ZZZero.O wrote: I agree the Trovo arguments, I always treated moving there as a last resort. They tried to recruit me for over 2 years and I always declined, as I had my stable income + BSL always had sponsor which completed one part to the each BSL Season Organization (second part was a donation goal). However this year I wasn't able to find any additional sponsor for incoming BSL Seasons. In addition I knew that this is the last moment to leave my job and try making BSL full time a thing - as Karolcia was pregnant, and I knew that risk like that wouldn't be possible after the baby will be born. That's why I tried organizing some side events on Trovo, to check out what they can offer. From 2 options: a) making some side events on trovo and main events on twitch and being able to sustain myself with the addition of current support from Patreon b) asking community for the additional support and be kinda 'independend' in terms of platform - I still prefered option a) as I find it incredibely hard to ask for support which goes for me. However Trovo cancelled their Partner Programs with the end of May. After May they offered me option that they can finance some side event which will be casted exclusively on their platform (That's how I got funding for BSL 2v2), they were satisfied and offered the same option again (That's how I got funding for BSL Surprise Tour). So having two options 1) Not have BSL Tours 2) Have BSL Tours but on Trovo, I choosed option nr. 2 - according to the strategy of making as many good events as possible to keep players busy, give them reason to practice. So I understand that you feel like Trovo is bad for BSL - maybe it actually is, cuz it's additional effort of organizing those events - but without Trovo there would be no side events which were casted there. However I never agreed to move BSL ProLeague on Trovo, cuz I'm aware it would kill 'new audience income'. So don't worry, BSL Season 16 will be casted exclusively on Twitch.tv/ZZZeroPL Good news  Thank You. | ||
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