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Hello guys,
9 months ago I’ve created this topic named: https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/584781-zzzero-becomes-full-time-tournament-organizer
Here is sum up of what I've done within this time: https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/601038-bsl-2022-conclusion-after-9-months
I gave myself a year for this job to become sufficient for me to support my family.
I want to start this post by expressing my deepest gratitude to everyone in our community, especially those who have supported me and my projects over the years. The last few months when I was able to fully devote myself to StarCraft, organizing events and tournaments - has been the most beautiful period of my life. I love doing it and it would be my dream to keep doing it forever, even though it's hard work, I love every aspect of it. It changed me mentally and changed my approach to life. I never had the opportunity to do something I love for living and I can’t describe this feeling. I have great respect for our community, this job, BSL, whatever you call it. StarCraft is my second family and I really care about your opinion and respect it. That is why I was very concerned that by creating a post in which I set a specific goal related to the steady income I expect from it, I will cause outrage among some of you. I still have such concerns, but I’m a father now, I can’t look for myself only and need to take care of my family. Unfortunately, after 9 months of my adventure as a tournament organizer, I am far from satisfying income, so I have to start this topic to call you to action - if in your opinion it is worth it.
To be honest, I expected to find more sponsors and partners during my full time work on this project. I’ve sent thousands of emails and sponsorship decks to any company I could think of. Unfortunately, without any good result. Which means that the last resort, as always, is you, dear SC: BW community.
As most of you probably know, I am 31 years old, recently became a father, and I need to provide my family with the best possible existence.
When I'm fundraising for BSL each season, I only take into account the costs related to running the tournament, each season costs about $10k, with ~ $ 6.5k going to the prize pools, the rest are costs related to graphics, animations, casters, admins and other technical aspects of running the tournament. Also the meaningful part is that %5-7 of the donations is taken by the commissions.
My goal is to get closer to the level of what I was earning on my regular job, which is ~$2,500 per month. It will allow me to simply live on the current level, which is now enough for me. Additional cost of running a bussiness for BSL is ~$500 a month, so assuming I can earn $500 on Twitch and Youtube, I'd like to have $2500 backing on Patreon.com/Bombastic
Regardless of whether you think it’s worthy and want to support my goal, I am so grateful to you for this last year of my amazing adventure, it is the best time of my life.
To sum up: BSL Season 16 achieved its goal and I will organize it with my full commitment as always, personally produce everything. If by the end of BSL16 you can meet my Patreon.com/Bombastic goal of $2500 per month - BSL tournaments will continue for as long as we will meet each season goals!
If we will meet the goal I will: - Organize 3 full BSL Seasons each year, with full dedication as I’m doing currently (If we will meet the season goals)
- Organize lower leagues for each season to support every level player as I’m doing currently
- Organize an offline BSL LAN Party (I already found a spot - looking for additional sponsors, probably ~april)
- I will arrange a gaming house for best players to prepare for ASL qualifiers and go there with them + make full coverage (looking for sponsors, I already talked with few players);
- I will do everything to find additional sponsors / support to make the BW scene more alive (Like I did this year when I made Race Championships, BSL 2v2 ProLeague, BSL Surprise Tour etc.)
In addition, to encourage you to support, I want to define another goals:- $ 1500 - ZZZero 12h ladder stream;
- $ 2000 - ZZZero introduces his sister (new BSL assistant/staff member)
- $ 2500 - ZZZero drunk stream + Q&A
You can support here:
https://www.patreon.com/bombastic
https://streamelements.com/zzzeropl/tip
Paypal: dideko.o@gmail.com
BSL has over 25,000 unique viewers, if every tenth of you add $1 a month, we will be able to continue making BroodWar great again.
I will appreciate if you will share this post, thank you!
Much love,
ZZZero
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hope it works out well, will be watching from the sidelines
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Ya'll we can do this. Join in, so the lift is easy. I just became a patron.
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u shud move to latam...
2.5k / month is hella money here.
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Subscribed to patreon :-)
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Suscribed ! Thx for that call to action : I've been out the loop of most the starcraft scene lately but will always be willing to support your work ZZZero.
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subscribed to the patreon, one coffee to go less per month is a no brainer
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Wow, must be expensive in Poland, I live in London Uk where life is much more expensive than in poland, 2500 would be very good money for me. I even would be able to go to holiday to spain or greece with family every 2nd month.
Honestly i wish u can get more and involve korea in this.
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On October 30 2022 14:16 XenOsky wrote:
u shud move to latam...
2.5k / month is hella money here.
And get chopped up for a cellphone 
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start accepting crypto donations
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no offense, but plannig your medium-long term family income on this (basically donation), look a bit optimistic and somehow irresponsible to me. I am not even sure there is a big enough fan base for this (2.500€/month) and it is going to be worse month after month.
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On October 31 2022 05:06 Xeln4g4 wrote:
no offense, but plannig your medium-long term family income on this (basically donation), look a bit optimistic and somehow irresponsible to me. I am not even sure there is a big enough fan base for this (2.500€/month) and it is going to be worse month after month.
This is essentially content creation - many people use this as their long-term income, though it may be more difficult than other types of jobs.
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Thank you so much for what you do for everyone, you provide the biggest best foreigner tournament MULTIPLE times a year. What more can you say? I’ll continue to support, others ought to as well. <3
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United States846 Posts
On October 31 2022 05:06 Xeln4g4 wrote:
no offense, but plannig your medium-long term family income on this (basically donation), look a bit optimistic and somehow irresponsible to me. I am not even sure there is a big enough fan base for this (2.500€/month) and it is going to be worse month after month.
Pretty sure Artosis makes tripple or more a month for just whining about Protoss.
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On October 31 2022 15:58 MineraIs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2022 05:06 Xeln4g4 wrote:
no offense, but plannig your medium-long term family income on this (basically donation), look a bit optimistic and somehow irresponsible to me. I am not even sure there is a big enough fan base for this (2.500€/month) and it is going to be worse month after month. Pretty sure Artosis makes tripple or more a month for just whining about Protoss.
well the aslenglish patreon alone is 10k a month for commentating 2 tournaments a year with tasteless.
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This!
On October 31 2022 15:58 MineraIs wrote:
Pretty sure Artosis makes tripple or more a month for just whining about Protoss.
And this!
On October 31 2022 20:10 Comedy wrote:
well the aslenglish patreon alone is 10k a month for commentating 2 tournaments a year with tasteless.
Nice sum up and info by both. Only thing i would add is that ZZZero organises the biggest foreign bw tournaments and asks for what seems to be at best 1/4 of that amount.
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Well the majority of Artosis' fans are primarily Artosis fans, they're secondary BW fans imo.
The issue w/ BSL is giving the viewers something they REALLY wanna see, if funding/income is becoming an issue then the content and everything around it has to be re-evaluated, cus this is something that'll be a reoccurring issue.
Putting in the work is respectable and much appreciated but it's not a sustainable long term business model. Consistent/long term revenue comes from content that people can't live without, that's what BSL needs to capture.
BW is a game so you can't forget about the fun and community building aspect of it, that's the foundation. Gotta have a marathon mindset or it won't be enjoyable for the people involved (players/organizers/casters/viewers) and they'll burn out.
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Artosis actually provides an entertaining stream, he gets 100x the viewership of any foreign player, because none of them are even remotely entertaining.
ASL is the most prestigious tournament in all of BW, the thing everyone watches. Of course its patreon will get more support than the sadly inferior foreign scene (both in terms of size and skill level).
I still wish ZZero best of luck with his endeavors, it would be really cool if he could make a living off of BSL.
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This guy is the last reason foreign BW scene is alive. I think it's good enough reason to chip in.
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Haven't really watched, but as someone who's been invested in the game for a long time I really appreciate all you're doing to keep the BW scene alive. Joined as a patreon.
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Arrange the tournament betable. High risk high reward type matchups maps etc.
Prepare the pitch.
Present to the major bet sponsors even koreans.
Get the investment deal w commission.
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Yearly goal: $36,000... Payouts for 3 seasons: $19,500... $16,500 remaining for yourself before paying 5-7% donation commission, casters, sister for admin work, organizing offline LAN, arranging a gaming house, etc. I think you previously mentioned your wife was doing graphics and animations. Even if you met your monthly goal of $3000, wouldn't you only be making like 1/3 of what you did at your previous job? You previously made $2,500 a month which is $30,000 a year. After everything above considered you'd be making close to $10,000 a year.
It doesn't seem like a sustainable or livable income as a full time job even IF you met your goal.
I hope you figure it out. Best of luck and long live BSL!!!
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On November 02 2022 05:08 EndingLife wrote:
Yearly goal: $36,000... Payouts for 3 seasons: $19,500... $16,500 remaining for yourself before paying 5-7% donation commission, casters, sister for admin work, organizing offline LAN, arranging a gaming house, etc. I think you previously mentioned your wife was doing graphics and animations. Even if you met your monthly goal of $3000, wouldn't you only be making like 1/3 of what you did at your previous job? You previously made $2,500 a month which is $30,000 a year. After everything above considered you'd be making close to $10,000 a year.
It doesn't seem like a sustainable or livable income as a full time job even IF you met your goal.
I hope you figure it out. Best of luck and long live BSL!!!
Cost of living is quite a lot cheaper there than in the states. same applies to most countries. I'm not an expert but I've heard 10k is even above average.
But for sure zzzero's effort in the bw scene is worth way more than that 
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United States846 Posts
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Good Luck!
Definitely deserve to do so.
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I need see BSL OFFLINE! gl zzzero!
you can do it
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United States846 Posts
Since we are all staying opinions,
I am in the opinion of BSL is able to become sustainable but one year isn’t enough to ‘become a full time streamer’. Though BSL has been going on so long, the majority of donations honorably have always went towards the next prize pool. If the prize pool was covered then ZZZero would be sitting happy accepting donations. BSL16 is covered so let’s keep the donations coming so we can see BSL next year!
Now is the time to come together and show our support for this guy, he is really shouldering a community right now.
—> https://www.patreon.com/bombastic
BSL Forever!
PS Someone on this forum has a business and could use the sponsor as a tax write off, what’s up?
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Netherlands5091 Posts
Perhaps this just needs a bit more time?
I don't know if all your backers would agree, but having 2 tournaments a year or lowering the prize pools by a bit sounds perfectly reasonable if you cannot yet make ends meet with this endeavour.
Some good things have been said in this thread. Imho the players need a bit more personality to attract more attention. I believe interviews can help a ton there until the bootcamp goal can be met. KeSPA-era would not have been the same if there weren't winners' interviews every pro- winnersleague for example.
Thanks for all the effort you put in!
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United States846 Posts
What we really yearn for is ZZZero complaining about Protoss every stream.
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To be perfectly honest with you. I do not think you earned that much in Poland, but well if you do - great - maybe gross, but not net.
Secondly, I do think, that the most part of this lets so called job is already done, and graphics etc is already there. You do not have to work full time on it. The league is just running and players are playing, so beside that - you got admins, graphics and casters. So what exactly you do when community wants to pay you that much per month?
I mean be serious. A lot of players during the streams etc donates and subscribe. You did 2 or 3 leagues with additional tours, but that is going after hours. I personally think that you can take 2,5k from community and works 8-16 wiith same content you gave as already.
It is simply enough to make 1 or 2 BSL leagues which take for example 2 months per each league not 3 weeks. It is really enough with some extra short tours it will be enough.
I do appreciate what you do, but I think it is just begging for money to let you leave in very goood level in Poland, while in fact you do not work 168 hours per day on BSL. Come on. We can support you but I think that you over estimated it very much.
Thanks again for what you do, but I think you should reconsider what you posted.
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So BSL 16 is already covered and the patreon is for future BSL seasons? What?
Have you thought about working part time while running BSL? It might be enough supplemental income to match what you were previously making while working your full time job in the real world.
I think better advertising, marketing and sponsors is what's needed most to keep the project growing.
Maybe even hire a small team as an investment to work on this as whatever is currently in place isn't working or showing much signs of growth.
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On November 05 2022 23:06 NWVenOm1 wrote:
So what exactly you do when community wants to pay you that much per month?
Considering he (and i assume others) created BSL in the first place, ran it for years putting sweat, tears and devoted their own time to making it nice, i assume he is asking the community to secure a better future for his family.
so yeah, noble intention, perhaps overestimated the ability to support oneself and others through creating content, happens all the time.
My opinion ZZZero is that Blizzard is the only entity that can keep supporting the BSL for more than 5 years. you should insist with them. for them what you are asking is peanuts, and they have a solid reason to back you and the foreign Broodwar community.
People give as much as they see fit, and that is a good boost to finances, along with youtube ads, and trovo. [on a side note, i find that financially moving to trovo made no sense, as you might have got an immediate boost, but most content creators form the core of their income through donations, people' s passions. And Twitch has basically a monopoly on online streaming, at least in the West. on twitch there is loads of people, streams, and it is that what creates hype in something.]
So my opinion keeps being that the only ones that can solve your case, is Blizzard themselves, no matter how shitty Blizzard has treated Broodwar itself since the release of remaster. you should insist and repitch with them. In Starcraft, your organization is bigger and more relevant that Blizzard at the moment (excluding Korea, which has no interest in financially supporting foreign Broodwar)
i will also add that the last tournament i watched was the Latin American Tour, which had some incredible games (go watch it if you missed it). i personally have found that since you started doing this full time, Quantity has increased dramatically, but Quality has lowered considerbly.
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United States846 Posts
Maybe if we do another forum post and have a bunch of people backing it..
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My advice:
1. Consider down-sizing BSL in these times: there's a financial crisis going on that is affecting the low and middle-class, which I assume is where most BW fans are.
2. No more Trovo. Unless they pay 5K per tournament, then their contribution is not worth it. The reality is, nothing comes close to Twitch and Youtube when it comes to gaming live streams.
3. Focus on the quality of the tournament: when we had half of BSL being China and then the other the rest of the world, the quality of the games was very good. In case of BW, I think expansion doesn't work quite well.
4. Diversify the content: add some showmatches now and again in the weekends: easier to organize and frees up the ability to bring in some new faces: some semi-pro level Koreans, RaceWars, Continental Battles. Maybe invite Artosis to host some of the special events (he'll make his money from the stream alone, don't worry).
5. Implement crypto donations, even consider creating some sort of collectibles related to BSL. (yes, NFTS etc)
The path forward is consistent growth and putting forward a great product (meaning good quality games, some drama, something to throw money at etc).
Given the size of the community and the nature of the job the possibility for a consistent income stream is low. However these things depend a lot on random things that you have no control over (like someone having a blast watching the streams and putting in big donations, the overall appetite for gaming etc)
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I agree the Trovo arguments, I always treated moving there as a last resort. They tried to recruit me for over 2 years and I always declined, as I had my stable income + BSL always had sponsor which completed one part to the each BSL Season Organization (second part was a donation goal). However this year I wasn't able to find any additional sponsor for incoming BSL Seasons. In addition I knew that this is the last moment to leave my job and try making BSL full time a thing - as Karolcia was pregnant, and I knew that risk like that wouldn't be possible after the baby will be born. That's why I tried organizing some side events on Trovo, to check out what they can offer. From 2 options: a) making some side events on trovo and main events on twitch and being able to sustain myself with the addition of current support from Patreon b) asking community for the additional support and be kinda 'independend' in terms of platform - I still prefered option a) as I find it incredibely hard to ask for support which goes for me. However Trovo cancelled their Partner Programs with the end of May.
After May they offered me option that they can finance some side event which will be casted exclusively on their platform (That's how I got funding for BSL 2v2), they were satisfied and offered the same option again (That's how I got funding for BSL Surprise Tour). So having two options 1) Not have BSL Tours 2) Have BSL Tours but on Trovo, I choosed option nr. 2 - according to the strategy of making as many good events as possible to keep players busy, give them reason to practice.
So I understand that you feel like Trovo is bad for BSL - maybe it actually is, cuz it's additional effort of organizing those events - but without Trovo there would be no side events which were casted there. However I never agreed to move BSL ProLeague on Trovo, cuz I'm aware it would kill 'new audience income'.
So don't worry, BSL Season 16 will be casted exclusively on Twitch.tv/ZZZeroPL
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I think it's time for Chinese to help us (I mean some sponsors). Especially that they also help their own players since there are more competitions for them as well. Need someone whos casting to the Chinese people on their own platform.
this would be nothing to them, as they have 100 competitions a year ( we still can't play any of Chinese event  ) sorry im not complain or just little just bad to see how Chinese players have 100 tour + always play vs Korean Pros,semi pros( in contrast we have only the wonderful ladder which is slowly unplayable) and we only have 3-4 tour / year which we are slowly sharing with everyone.
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On November 06 2022 03:49 WhistlerR- wrote:
trovo is killing bsl
idk about "killing".. but it was doing way better on twitch, I think..
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On November 06 2022 22:34 ZZZero.O wrote:
I agree the Trovo arguments, I always treated moving there as a last resort. They tried to recruit me for over 2 years and I always declined, as I had my stable income + BSL always had sponsor which completed one part to the each BSL Season Organization (second part was a donation goal). However this year I wasn't able to find any additional sponsor for incoming BSL Seasons. In addition I knew that this is the last moment to leave my job and try making BSL full time a thing - as Karolcia was pregnant, and I knew that risk like that wouldn't be possible after the baby will be born. That's why I tried organizing some side events on Trovo, to check out what they can offer. From 2 options: a) making some side events on trovo and main events on twitch and being able to sustain myself with the addition of current support from Patreon b) asking community for the additional support and be kinda 'independend' in terms of platform - I still prefered option a) as I find it incredibely hard to ask for support which goes for me. However Trovo cancelled their Partner Programs with the end of May.
After May they offered me option that they can finance some side event which will be casted exclusively on their platform (That's how I got funding for BSL 2v2), they were satisfied and offered the same option again (That's how I got funding for BSL Surprise Tour). So having two options 1) Not have BSL Tours 2) Have BSL Tours but on Trovo, I choosed option nr. 2 - according to the strategy of making as many good events as possible to keep players busy, give them reason to practice.
So I understand that you feel like Trovo is bad for BSL - maybe it actually is, cuz it's additional effort of organizing those events - but without Trovo there would be no side events which were casted there. However I never agreed to move BSL ProLeague on Trovo, cuz I'm aware it would kill 'new audience income'.
So don't worry, BSL Season 16 will be casted exclusively on Twitch.tv/ZZZeroPL
Good news
Thank You.
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Mmmm.
This pulled me back.
Donated.
Would love to cast, but cannot make any promises yet. I'm growing my coaching buisiness, but it's too easy to get sucked into the vortex of BW. Too much dopamine for an ADHD guy, so I cannot make any promises yet. Between building on the side + day job, I don't have the bandwidth. Momentum is building, so hopefully that changes over the coming year.
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i dont post much but i think a bunch of users are being ungrateful to what Zzero has done for us. giving advice is one thing but acting like an ignorant dick is not cool.
donation is a choice. zero asking a few bucks from his regular viewers is a perfectly reasonable think. $2-$3 a month is nothing for an average BW player considering most of us have jobs and over 32+ years old. less than what a pint of beer costs.
only suggestion of mine is to accept crypto donations. i would personally love to donate a couple of bucks every month as soon as twitch tournaments are ongoing. trovo does not have smart tv app and i dont like watching on pc.
when is the next bsl by the way. Long pauses suck.
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On November 01 2022 18:28 rafaliusz wrote:
This guy is the last reason foreign BW scene is alive. I think it's good enough reason to chip in.
Basically this is the main argument, and that it's *really* nice to have a foreigner scene. But in my mind, this guy has been instrumental and carrying the foreign scene heavily over the past 5+ years.
When I think of all the fun I've had over a decade+ playing this game....that's EASILY worth a few k at a minimum. So, yea, a paltry donation seems extraordinarily reasonable and well earned.
TT1 makes good points about the tournament from a more business analysis standpoint.
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I'll donate on patreon. Don't want twitch to to eat up half of it.
Donations on twitch send signals of support, good feels to the casts. If patreon donations could have the same effect during live casts perhaps it'd increase the % from donations. Like if it from clicking the "donate" on patron"link takes you to "Do u want to show your username?" " Message?", So it has a similar effect to Twitch donations.
Otherwise the new ownership of blizzard means there could be a new vision, idea of how to treat older games, their community.
Perhaps this dude from microsoft/xbox who showed interest in RTS ,Starcraft could b a way into a conversation of sponsorship:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/ynnbpz/xboxs_chief_phil_spencer_wants_to_revive/
Thanks for all you've done, Keep it up with BSL!
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Surprise tours on Trollvo oh no...
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Is Trovo that bad ? ZZZero said they funding those tournaments but if the site is unwatchable im not sure what is the gain.
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On November 14 2022 05:48 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Is Trovo that bad ? ZZZero said they funding those tournaments but if the site is unwatchable im not sure what is the gain.
I'm watching it just fine. I've heard of people having problems with VODs on mobile. On Desktop I haven't had problems with watchability so far.
And yes, Trovo is funding tournaments that are then streamed on Trovo. BSL Surprise Tour was sponsored by Trovo. So was the 2v2 League.
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On November 14 2022 06:01 LML wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2022 05:48 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Is Trovo that bad ? ZZZero said they funding those tournaments but if the site is unwatchable im not sure what is the gain. I'm watching it just fine. I've heard of people having problems with VODs on mobile. On Desktop I haven't had problems with watchability so far. And yes, Trovo is funding tournaments that are then streamed on Trovo. BSL Surprise Tour was sponsored by Trovo. So was the 2v2 League.
Why people complain so much about Trovo then ?
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On November 14 2022 09:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2022 06:01 LML wrote:On November 14 2022 05:48 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Is Trovo that bad ? ZZZero said they funding those tournaments but if the site is unwatchable im not sure what is the gain. I'm watching it just fine. I've heard of people having problems with VODs on mobile. On Desktop I haven't had problems with watchability so far. And yes, Trovo is funding tournaments that are then streamed on Trovo. BSL Surprise Tour was sponsored by Trovo. So was the 2v2 League. Why people complain so much about Trovo then ?
twitch has an awesome app for smart tv's. personally, i love watching bsl or asl on my tv. trovo does not have an app.
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ZZZero, thank you for everything you do!
Donated (annual membership on patreon).
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I think 2500$ is low, compare that to the ASL commentators getting over 10 000$ for so much less work.
U deserve all u can get man. I hope it will not end with 2500$.
And plz ppl, stop talking about 2500$ being to much, its not. You should understand that its not like a normal payout. And he needs money for pensions and so on. Lets help him reach 5k and then I will be happy, So he can go to Hawai with hes kids and wife. Common hes done more for the community then most of us combined.
We should be ashamed of whats happening here, he created so much for all of us, and so many just show up for free. Lets think about how many hours of joy this is giving us and most ppl rather pay Netflix or Disney+ acc. This is mor worth for me any way.
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On November 18 2022 04:53 ViR[ReV] wrote:
I think 2500$ is low, compare that to the ASL commentators getting over 10 000$ for so much less work.
U deserve all u can get man. I hope it will not end with 2500$.
And plz ppl, stop talking about 2500$ being to much, its not. You should understand that its not like a normal payout. And he needs money for pensions and so on. Lets help him reach 5k and then I will be happy, So he can go to Hawai with hes kids and wife. Common hes done more for the community then most of us combined.
We should be ashamed of whats happening here, he created so much for all of us, and so many just show up for free. Lets think about how many hours of joy this is giving us and most ppl rather pay Netflix or Disney+ acc. This is mor worth for me any way.
I support that enthusiastic post! Im in
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I would love to see another 2v2 BSL Tourney but maybe an incentive to bonus ZZ teams for variety.
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On November 14 2022 05:48 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Is Trovo that bad ? ZZZero said they funding those tournaments but if the site is unwatchable im not sure what is the gain.
yes, I get horrible random lag/loading spikes on Trovo for no reason. This has never happened to me ever on any other platform (even the old gom player days). And it s totally random.
It s also difficult to watch on TV or even cast to one, I m not sure what the problem is. I do try and log in to add to the viewership to help out but tbh the few times I did go, I just let my window run and did something else because it was unwatchable.
So I am happy we are moving away from that, although I understand that if the money flow was decent, it had to be tried.
As for the topic at hand, I wish you to meet your goals. I concur with Sziky that if you could find a way to get more help from the Chinese community it would be great, they already have a lot of tournaments and as a result potential sponsors that may be interested in expanding?
Also are you perhaps considering selling some merchandise? Like the BSL hoodies or something?
BSL 15 was a bit too long in my opinion and did go into quantity over quality, so perhaps going to either shorter seasons or a clearer format would be cool?
The tournaments for lower MMR as well (noobs like me ) is also amazing and I am very grateful that more and more keep running every season alongside the big names.
Otherwise, on a self serving note, I would like the schedule to be set in a way that either does not collide repeatedly with other well established events' timeslots (19:00 CET Sundays for instance has been BWCL time for 20+ years, showmatches at that time pose no problem of course, but last minute surprise tournaments do) or are advertised long enough that other competitions can adapt. It need not be the way it currently is, we can talk (publicly or through DM) to avoid key overlaps, especially during the BWCL playoff phase which is essentially 6 weeks a year, 2 weeks per season. We can shift our schedule by a week or two for example if we are made aware of plans early enough.
Long live BSL and I ll eagerly await the announcement this Sunday
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On November 19 2022 01:26 WGT-Baal wrote:
Also are you perhaps considering selling some merchandise? Like the BSL hoodies or something?
https://bombastic.shop/
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Thank you so much, Zero! It’s been a pleasure working with you and others to bring together the Chinese and foreign BW communities.
I hope you can succeed. But please keep in touch with ppl in your previous industry so that you can get back if you need to. I feel it would be challenging to be a full-time streamer & tournament organizer, as there are much fewer sponsors in the foreign BW community compared to the Chinese BW community,
The CSL winter season is raising funds and has already collected 120,000 CNY (~$16,855). The fundraising has a minimum donation amount of 300 CNY (~$42) for each donor. The largest sponsor donated 80,000 CNY. There will also be another CSL Spring Invitational with total prize of 200,000 CNY (~$28,090) early next year.
At least ten sponsors have donated more than $50,000 to BW, and many more have donated $1000+. As a result, ~15-20 BW players can afford to play full-time. Sanpao and Coach Zhu can be full-time streamers with a decent income (they are also doing live commerce and selling merchandise between matches). I guess the fundamental reason is that China has developed fast since 2000, and many BW fans have amassed a good fortune.
We will keep trying to see if we can have foreign players participate in Chinese tournaments in addition to show matches. It is very difficult given the latency, language barrier, and restrictions on money transfer. I helped transferred almost all prize money from and to Chinese & foreign players. Luckily I have not been audited so far
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On November 19 2022 08:08 LML wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2022 01:26 WGT-Baal wrote:
Also are you perhaps considering selling some merchandise? Like the BSL hoodies or something?
https://bombastic.shop/
how did I never notice this existed? Thanks for the link!!
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On November 20 2022 01:22 Calvinbobo wrote:Thank you so much, Zero! It’s been a pleasure working with you and others to bring together the Chinese and foreign BW communities. I hope you can succeed. But please keep in touch with ppl in your previous industry so that you can get back if you need to. I feel it would be challenging to be a full-time streamer & tournament organizer, as there are much fewer sponsors in the foreign BW community compared to the Chinese BW community, The CSL winter season is raising funds and has already collected 120,000 CNY (~$16,855). The fundraising has a minimum donation amount of 300 CNY (~$42) for each donor. The largest sponsor donated 80,000 CNY. There will also be another CSL Spring Invitational with total prize of 200,000 CNY (~$28,090) early next year. At least ten sponsors have donated more than $50,000 to BW, and many more have donated $1000+. As a result, ~15-20 BW players can afford to play full-time. Sanpao and Coach Zhu can be full-time streamers with a decent income (they are also doing live commerce and selling merchandise between matches). I guess the fundamental reason is that China has developed fast since 2000, and many BW fans have amassed a good fortune. We will keep trying to see if we can have foreign players participate in Chinese tournaments in addition to show matches. It is very difficult given the latency, language barrier, and restrictions on money transfer. I helped transferred almost all prize money from and to Chinese & foreign players. Luckily I have not been audited so far
I only hear excuses from all Chinese, why we can't participate. It's a shame to bring up the topic, I've already regretted it.
Simple the Chinese don't want us to participate. At least someone would have had the courage to say this, of course, thank you for what you did for the community, and let no one take it upon themselves.
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Just checked the ASL Patreon, CA$13,937... wow. I love Tastosis as much as most but seeing theirs at 10x BSL's is a bit frustrating.
The foreign scene absolutely needs zzzero's contributions; I hope people pitch in what they can here (every dollar helps guys).
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On November 23 2022 11:51 Mazer wrote:
Just checked the ASL Patreon, CA$13,937... wow. I love Tastosis as much as most but seeing theirs at 10x BSL's is a bit frustrating.
The foreign scene absolutely needs zzzero's contributions; I hope people pitch in what they can here (every dollar helps guys).
Obviously nice if many pitch in.
Longer term (2-5 yrs) I intend to be in a position where I'm much more able to fund BW stuff especially for foreign scene.
But....the quoted stuff is the expected result. Tastosis is absolutely huge across multiple games, and have long been the top of the hierarchy for casting and not just for BW. It's the inevitable result of names that are likely 10x or 50x as big.
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post made by DiMiaN in the CMNSL thread -
"Was curious about the tl.net logo...
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/8jRU4AD.png)
Question: If TL.net supports a korean tournament, why not support BSL?"
I'm seconding the question..
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On November 26 2022 18:32 M3t4PhYzX wrote:post made by DiMiaN in the CMNSL thread - "Was curious about the tl.net logo... Question: If TL.net supports a korean tournament, why not support BSL?" I'm seconding the question..
All the budget goes into broader content creation like this, I guess: twitter.com
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/nSnM5hK.jpg)
Thanks to Mr. Radley help we added every supporter of BSL16 Goal on our webpage!
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We just hitted ~$1000 on Patreon!
I would like to thank all of you for supporting BSL so much ! <3
P.S. I'm thinking about getting back to half-time job, in order to continue if we will reach $1500
It might mean that we will have to decrease the amount of events, but we will keep the BSL ProLeague alive.
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2v2 BSL tournament was so cool. Any chance of another?
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On October 30 2022 14:16 XenOsky wrote:
u shud move to latam...
2.5k / month is hella money here.
ATVI moved some of its Dev Studios to upstate New YOrk where one can make 90K and be the sole income earner in a family that owns a fully detached house less than 15 minutes from the office.
ATVI significantly lowered lower employee pay and while improving quality of life.
Upstate New York has some of the lowest energy prices in NA. Its awesome.
Go Buffalo Bills Go!
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Zzzero, look into finding a 4-day week job. There are plenty going around these days, would give you enough monetary safety for your family and would free up some days for BSL work.
It's very difficult to make it work with a full-week work schedule and a separate job at the same time basically. I've tried in the distant past and it sucked really hard.
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On December 08 2022 06:42 Optimate wrote:
2v2 BSL tournament was so cool. Any chance of another?
Yes, we are willing to organize Season 2, but we didn't meet the donation goal for the prizepool and production.
If anyone is interested in sponsoring this event, PM me.
On December 08 2022 12:57 oxKnu wrote:
Zzzero, look into finding a 4-day week job. There are plenty going around these days, would give you enough monetary safety for your family and would free up some days for BSL work.
It's very difficult to make it work with a full-week work schedule and a separate job at the same time basically. I've tried in the distant past and it sucked really hard.
Well, before BSL I have been working in a 5-day week job for all the 5 years of doing it. I'm sure I can't continue this anymore, cuz it's too hardcore. Finding 4-day week job means that I would work 4 days, and then 3 days on BSL - which means that I will have no weekends / free days = time to rest, spend time with Oliwka etc.
I will probably come back to my old job, with 2 days a week. Which will give me time to stream 2 days a week, plus have 1-2 days for managing things needed for streams, take care of production issues, add all the posts etc.
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On October 31 2022 15:58 MineraIs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2022 05:06 Xeln4g4 wrote:
no offense, but plannig your medium-long term family income on this (basically donation), look a bit optimistic and somehow irresponsible to me. I am not even sure there is a big enough fan base for this (2.500€/month) and it is going to be worse month after month. Pretty sure Artosis makes tripple or more a month for just whining about Protoss.
That feeling when the biggest scrub in StarCraft history who tells people on stream to "not play StarCraft1" is given way more than the man carrying foreign StarCraft on his back for years.
Yikes.
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I seriously don't get the people saying that zzzero is a moneygrab or that 2500/mo is way too much. I agree with vir, if anything Zzzero has underestimated the value heavily in order to make a realistic goal. It's really not cool and doesn't bring any hounour to the keyboard warriors saying otherwise. If you claim that, tell us why.
Also one of the people above said that zzzero "doesn't work really on BSL" and the league practically runs itself. I'm sure Zzzero will be happy to let you guy in the chat manage the league that runs itself while he just backseats but the trick is if you fail you gotta pay him the monthly support :O
To the other person that suggested 4 day work week which would allow him to work 3 days on BSL, r u for real bruh? When's Zzzero gonna have time to rest? Do you work 7 days a week too?
I'm just saying these things (even though it's not my place to do so, but hey when has that stopped a guy with a keyboard) because I think zzzero is too nice to give you the "real" reply... Everyone who can afford it should support zzzero. He is funding the league, supporting his family, and trying to scrape by all with that _insane_ amount of <$2500/month. Call him Zzzero Rockefeller if he ever reaches the goal.
/Fin rant
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There were few people who told me to create a cryptocurrency wallet, I finally made it.
Coinbase wallet: 3C68TASwdfzrQhBvGrZEgdEFQJkM35EE8C
I don't know if that's all you guys need, I never had any experience with it.
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I hope you get what you need from this, D. I agree with all the comments here that you are doing the lord's work of keeping BW a global sport, and I hope you are able to keep doing it.
There's no reason to not support this effort, and I think $1 per viewer is not too much to ask. Even $5 per month is also a very reasonable ask, in my opinion. I recognize it's not the same for everyone.
For those of you who watch BSL but don't have the funds—I'm sure there are other ways to help out. Helping make the YouTube channel a stronger money maker being one. Any YT experts out there?
You, of course, have my support, D. Looking forward to seeing BSL 16.
Good luck!
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