EPTCan ZZZero Keep Organizing BW Tours Full Time ? - Page 3
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
This pulled me back. Donated. Would love to cast, but cannot make any promises yet. I'm growing my coaching buisiness, but it's too easy to get sucked into the vortex of BW. Too much dopamine for an ADHD guy, so I cannot make any promises yet. Between building on the side + day job, I don't have the bandwidth. Momentum is building, so hopefully that changes over the coming year. | ||
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elpolloloco31
145 Posts
donation is a choice. zero asking a few bucks from his regular viewers is a perfectly reasonable think. $2-$3 a month is nothing for an average BW player considering most of us have jobs and over 32+ years old. less than what a pint of beer costs. only suggestion of mine is to accept crypto donations. i would personally love to donate a couple of bucks every month as soon as twitch tournaments are ongoing. trovo does not have smart tv app and i dont like watching on pc. when is the next bsl by the way. Long pauses suck. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 01 2022 18:28 rafaliusz wrote: This guy is the last reason foreign BW scene is alive. I think it's good enough reason to chip in. Basically this is the main argument, and that it's *really* nice to have a foreigner scene. But in my mind, this guy has been instrumental and carrying the foreign scene heavily over the past 5+ years. When I think of all the fun I've had over a decade+ playing this game....that's EASILY worth a few k at a minimum. So, yea, a paltry donation seems extraordinarily reasonable and well earned. TT1 makes good points about the tournament from a more business analysis standpoint. | ||
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ztrezhgfhfgzrt
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
Donations on twitch send signals of support, good feels to the casts. If patreon donations could have the same effect during live casts perhaps it'd increase the % from donations. Like if it from clicking the "donate" on patron"link takes you to "Do u want to show your username?" " Message?", So it has a similar effect to Twitch donations. Otherwise the new ownership of blizzard means there could be a new vision, idea of how to treat older games, their community. Perhaps this dude from microsoft/xbox who showed interest in RTS ,Starcraft could b a way into a conversation of sponsorship: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/ynnbpz/xboxs_chief_phil_spencer_wants_to_revive/ Thanks for all you've done, Keep it up with BSL! | ||
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EndingLife
United States1605 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7021 Posts
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LML
Germany1794 Posts
On November 14 2022 05:48 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Is Trovo that bad ? ZZZero said they funding those tournaments but if the site is unwatchable im not sure what is the gain. I'm watching it just fine. I've heard of people having problems with VODs on mobile. On Desktop I haven't had problems with watchability so far. And yes, Trovo is funding tournaments that are then streamed on Trovo. BSL Surprise Tour was sponsored by Trovo. So was the 2v2 League. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7021 Posts
On November 14 2022 06:01 LML wrote: I'm watching it just fine. I've heard of people having problems with VODs on mobile. On Desktop I haven't had problems with watchability so far. And yes, Trovo is funding tournaments that are then streamed on Trovo. BSL Surprise Tour was sponsored by Trovo. So was the 2v2 League. Why people complain so much about Trovo then ? | ||
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elpolloloco31
145 Posts
On November 14 2022 09:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Why people complain so much about Trovo then ? twitch has an awesome app for smart tv's. personally, i love watching bsl or asl on my tv. trovo does not have an app. | ||
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AleXoundOS
Georgia458 Posts
Donated (annual membership on patreon). | ||
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ViR[ReV]
59 Posts
U deserve all u can get man. I hope it will not end with 2500$. And plz ppl, stop talking about 2500$ being to much, its not. You should understand that its not like a normal payout. And he needs money for pensions and so on. Lets help him reach 5k and then I will be happy, So he can go to Hawai with hes kids and wife. Common hes done more for the community then most of us combined. We should be ashamed of whats happening here, he created so much for all of us, and so many just show up for free. Lets think about how many hours of joy this is giving us and most ppl rather pay Netflix or Disney+ acc. This is mor worth for me any way. | ||
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earob84
Germany178 Posts
On November 18 2022 04:53 ViR[ReV] wrote: I think 2500$ is low, compare that to the ASL commentators getting over 10 000$ for so much less work. U deserve all u can get man. I hope it will not end with 2500$. And plz ppl, stop talking about 2500$ being to much, its not. You should understand that its not like a normal payout. And he needs money for pensions and so on. Lets help him reach 5k and then I will be happy, So he can go to Hawai with hes kids and wife. Common hes done more for the community then most of us combined. We should be ashamed of whats happening here, he created so much for all of us, and so many just show up for free. Lets think about how many hours of joy this is giving us and most ppl rather pay Netflix or Disney+ acc. This is mor worth for me any way. I support that enthusiastic post! Im in | ||
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Optimate
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WGT-Baal
France3541 Posts
On November 14 2022 05:48 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Is Trovo that bad ? ZZZero said they funding those tournaments but if the site is unwatchable im not sure what is the gain. yes, I get horrible random lag/loading spikes on Trovo for no reason. This has never happened to me ever on any other platform (even the old gom player days). And it s totally random. It s also difficult to watch on TV or even cast to one, I m not sure what the problem is. I do try and log in to add to the viewership to help out but tbh the few times I did go, I just let my window run and did something else because it was unwatchable. So I am happy we are moving away from that, although I understand that if the money flow was decent, it had to be tried. As for the topic at hand, I wish you to meet your goals. I concur with Sziky that if you could find a way to get more help from the Chinese community it would be great, they already have a lot of tournaments and as a result potential sponsors that may be interested in expanding? Also are you perhaps considering selling some merchandise? Like the BSL hoodies or something? BSL 15 was a bit too long in my opinion and did go into quantity over quality, so perhaps going to either shorter seasons or a clearer format would be cool? The tournaments for lower MMR as well (noobs like me  ) is also amazing and I am very grateful that more and more keep running every season alongside the big names.Otherwise, on a self serving note, I would like the schedule to be set in a way that either does not collide repeatedly with other well established events' timeslots (19:00 CET Sundays for instance has been BWCL time for 20+ years, showmatches at that time pose no problem of course, but last minute surprise tournaments do) or are advertised long enough that other competitions can adapt. It need not be the way it currently is, we can talk (publicly or through DM) to avoid key overlaps, especially during the BWCL playoff phase which is essentially 6 weeks a year, 2 weeks per season. We can shift our schedule by a week or two for example if we are made aware of plans early enough. Long live BSL and I ll eagerly await the announcement this Sunday | ||
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LML
Germany1794 Posts
On November 19 2022 01:26 WGT-Baal wrote: Also are you perhaps considering selling some merchandise? Like the BSL hoodies or something? https://bombastic.shop/ | ||
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Calvinbobo
China90 Posts
I hope you can succeed. But please keep in touch with ppl in your previous industry so that you can get back if you need to. I feel it would be challenging to be a full-time streamer & tournament organizer, as there are much fewer sponsors in the foreign BW community compared to the Chinese BW community, The CSL winter season is raising funds and has already collected 120,000 CNY (~$16,855). The fundraising has a minimum donation amount of 300 CNY (~$42) for each donor. The largest sponsor donated 80,000 CNY. There will also be another CSL Spring Invitational with total prize of 200,000 CNY (~$28,090) early next year. At least ten sponsors have donated more than $50,000 to BW, and many more have donated $1000+. As a result, ~15-20 BW players can afford to play full-time. Sanpao and Coach Zhu can be full-time streamers with a decent income (they are also doing live commerce and selling merchandise between matches). I guess the fundamental reason is that China has developed fast since 2000, and many BW fans have amassed a good fortune. We will keep trying to see if we can have foreign players participate in Chinese tournaments in addition to show matches. It is very difficult given the latency, language barrier, and restrictions on money transfer. I helped transferred almost all prize money from and to Chinese & foreign players. Luckily I have not been audited so far | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3541 Posts
how did I never notice this existed? Thanks for the link!! | ||
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sas.Sziky
Hungary337 Posts
On November 20 2022 01:22 Calvinbobo wrote: Thank you so much, Zero! It’s been a pleasure working with you and others to bring together the Chinese and foreign BW communities. I hope you can succeed. But please keep in touch with ppl in your previous industry so that you can get back if you need to. I feel it would be challenging to be a full-time streamer & tournament organizer, as there are much fewer sponsors in the foreign BW community compared to the Chinese BW community, The CSL winter season is raising funds and has already collected 120,000 CNY (~$16,855). The fundraising has a minimum donation amount of 300 CNY (~$42) for each donor. The largest sponsor donated 80,000 CNY. There will also be another CSL Spring Invitational with total prize of 200,000 CNY (~$28,090) early next year. At least ten sponsors have donated more than $50,000 to BW, and many more have donated $1000+. As a result, ~15-20 BW players can afford to play full-time. Sanpao and Coach Zhu can be full-time streamers with a decent income (they are also doing live commerce and selling merchandise between matches). I guess the fundamental reason is that China has developed fast since 2000, and many BW fans have amassed a good fortune. We will keep trying to see if we can have foreign players participate in Chinese tournaments in addition to show matches. It is very difficult given the latency, language barrier, and restrictions on money transfer. I helped transferred almost all prize money from and to Chinese & foreign players. Luckily I have not been audited so far I only hear excuses from all Chinese, why we can't participate. It's a shame to bring up the topic, I've already regretted it. Simple the Chinese don't want us to participate. At least someone would have had the courage to say this, of course, thank you for what you did for the community, and let no one take it upon themselves. | ||
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