[New UMS Map] Phantom Ultimate - Page 3

On September 26 2007 14:10 paper wrote:
Even 1v3 is difficult with some extra money -__-

Cover-blow is lame and unnecessary until the phantom has had ample time to make anything =_=

On September 26 2007 14:35 LonelyMargarita wrote:


He understated the amount of resources you get as phantom. I've never lost a 1v5 as phantom by just rushing everyone. You get mins AND gas, so zerg can immediately lay down a few hatches and pool and speedling a couple then muta the rest, toss can zeal a couple then dt/sair rush everyone else, and terran can pump as much mnm as your fingers allow. If it's 1v6 or 1v7 I mass expand and wait until it's down to 1v3 (never played with cover timer).

If I'm not phantom and no one is obviously stronger, I kill anyone who sucks balls first. Many phantoms try to act super-newb, thinking they'll be safe, but logically you don't really lose anything by killing them. If they ARE the phantom you won, and if they aren't, you lost an ally that wouldn't help anyway. Also CharlieMurphy's strat doesn't work from what I've seen either: I kill anyone who unvisions or attacks anything of mine, regardless of whether they're the phantom or not. If people pick sides, they pick my side, because he incited the fighting, and looks more like the phantom. It makes the game go faster if I'm zerg, since I stick a lord in everyone's base. Logically, they have no reason to attack it unless they are the phantom, because I already have their vision.

The strategies would be completely different with cover timer. Seven minutes seems too short to me, as it basically forces the immediate rush. You'd be lucky if 1 person was dead by then, so it's basically a 1v7 every game even if you don't rush. You could have a choice at the beginning: no cover timer, 7 minute cover timer, and 15 minute cover timer. I think that would appease most everyone. Also, the host has to get to choose. All the ones I've seen make the chooser random, and he always picks the wrong thing (ie not what the hosts wanted), and usually people leave. Balancing the hunters map would be a very good idea, not just for phantom. No shared chokes should be priority #1, then either make no protected or ALL protected tankable mains (from cliff or between mins on 6 and 9), then no tankable or all tankable expos.

On September 27 2007 13:04 Tadzio00 wrote:
The forced reveal is a bad idea and destroys the concept of phantom. Low money makes it difficult to hide that you're the phantom as well. Some suggestions to make it more enjoyable for the phantom and for low money:

1) Do away with the reveal, or at least make it an option. And if you keep it, extend it to at least 10 minutes so a phantom can build up to 200/200 and have the infrastructure to rebuild units lost once everyone attacks him.

2) I think all players should start with ally but without vision of any of the other players. In the FMP and BGH phantoms, the reason non-phantoms get attacked is because people with unlimited resources have some pretty funky build orders, and its often difficult to tell who the phantom is just by looking at what people are doing-- this doesn't hold true in low money, so get rid of vision. The "might" indicator alone is a pretty good way to spot a phantom that is rushing. If a phantom chooses to lay low, his base should be physically scouted, rather than giving non-phantoms free scout. If people want to vision others that they've decided are "safe" later in the game, thats fine, but vision shouldn't be forced.

Imo, those two things would make the map pretty darn fun as a low money map.

On September 25 2007 16:31 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
. After 7 minutes game time, he gets revealed to all players (automatic unally + unvision and his location is being displayed at the top left (e.g. "Phantom's base: north-east").
This is necessary because in Phantom maps without cover blow, the phantom often hides and the game takes 1 hour and people start killing themselves out of boredom. This is not how I think that the game should be played. Instead, it should be an intense battle requiring teamwork from the beginning on. So the phantom has to be offensive right from the start. The longer he waits, the harder it will be for him to win.

On April 03 2008 06:41 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Nope, I was never a big fan of phantoms but err

"This is necessary because in Phantom maps without cover blow, the phantom often hides and the game takes 1 hour and people start killing themselves out of boredom. This is not how I think that the game should be played. Instead, it should be an intense battle requiring teamwork from the beginning on. So the phantom has to be offensive right from the start. The longer he waits, the harder it will be for him to win."

I disagree. The point of phantom is that he cannot be revealed, by forcing a reveal it takes the fun out of the game. Instead, phantom should be forced to eliminate all other players by a time limit, and the other players will have to survive this time limit. This will force actions.