EPTHe hasn't streamed in over 4 months.
Now he doesn't participate in ASL for a few seasons.
Is it that dumb coin shit that is making him not play? Need jinjin to translate something or idk.
Where the hell's Bisu seriously what is this crap
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confusedzerg
Russian Federation102 Posts
He hasn't streamed in over 4 months. Now he doesn't participate in ASL for a few seasons. Is it that dumb coin shit that is making him not play? Need jinjin to translate something or idk. | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1509 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3425 Posts
But he did play KSL | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1509 Posts
On October 30 2021 23:11 WGT-Baal wrote: Afaik the reason he doesnt play ASL is for sponsorship reasons. But may be that changed? But he did play KSL He played in ASL 11... KSL is dead for awhile before that. | ||
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sophisticated
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Lorch
Germany3690 Posts
Idk maybe bisu called ggs. | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5523 Posts
On October 30 2021 23:23 sophisticated wrote: Which part of "retirement" do you not understand? Source? | ||
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Jealous
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jinjin5000
United States1468 Posts
On October 30 2021 23:57 Lorch wrote: Sea was also involved in that scandal, right? He's been back streaming for a while now. Idk maybe bisu called ggs. Sea is pretty much controversy immune at this point. He makes up controversies to gain views in first place Different with bisus image | ||
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
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Leonix
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TT1
Canada10012 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On October 31 2021 01:04 Jealous wrote: Staying true to your handle as always lmao. lmao | ||
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/574711-flashs-crypto-scandal?page=7#135 "I've lived a life where I didn't say anything bad to anyone in my life and never used malicious comments, but you're a special person to me, so I just say one thing. I regret the past days of crying and laughing at your game." "I never thought that Lee Young-ho would do something like this, the shock is so great" "It's really disgusting to say that my mother did it rather than investing in coins. Wouldn't it be better for mom to take a bath" "A person who has been loved by fans for over 10 years. I feel betrayed that you thought of an investment that would eat your back by using it. "If you make a mistake, apologize and accept the insults. You are an adult. If you sell your mother, you will be cursed and ridiculed." "I'm not even a one or two year old kid. It's at the level of making excuses for blaming the mother. Youngho, how old are you this year?" "Youngho, it's really disappointing. I really, really liked you. I watched the broadcast for a long time as a fan, and I shot a star balloon for the first time as a fan. It's not that you don't have enough money, is it really what a human would do to lose fans like this because of greed? Leave the feeling of betrayal and feel anger. Don't come back again, make atonement for the rest of your life like Mr. Ma." "With this incident, all the achievements and careers you built on the Starcraft have been overshadowed.." I'm really worried about FlaSh right now, hope this coin shit will settle down until his comeback. | ||
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Ikirouta
Finland738 Posts
On October 31 2021 07:31 outscar wrote: Sea already retired from BW and doesn't care about controversy in other hand Bisu is legend and negative impact from viewers can directly hurt him not only his image. Just look at FlaSh's youtube channel and translate some comments, they're awful. + Show Spoiler + https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/574711-flashs-crypto-scandal?page=7#135 "I've lived a life where I didn't say anything bad to anyone in my life and never used malicious comments, but you're a special person to me, so I just say one thing. I regret the past days of crying and laughing at your game." "I never thought that Lee Young-ho would do something like this, the shock is so great" "It's really disgusting to say that my mother did it rather than investing in coins. Wouldn't it be better for mom to take a bath" "A person who has been loved by fans for over 10 years. I feel betrayed that you thought of an investment that would eat your back by using it. "If you make a mistake, apologize and accept the insults. You are an adult. If you sell your mother, you will be cursed and ridiculed." "I'm not even a one or two year old kid. It's at the level of making excuses for blaming the mother. Youngho, how old are you this year?" "Youngho, it's really disappointing. I really, really liked you. I watched the broadcast for a long time as a fan, and I shot a star balloon for the first time as a fan. It's not that you don't have enough money, is it really what a human would do to lose fans like this because of greed? Leave the feeling of betrayal and feel anger. Don't come back again, make atonement for the rest of your life like Mr. Ma." "With this incident, all the achievements and careers you built on the Starcraft have been overshadowed.." I'm really worried about FlaSh right now, hope this coin shit will settle down until his comeback. I'm happy that you think there will be a FlaSh comeback or a Bisu comeback. I certainly don't. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1509 Posts
On October 31 2021 07:31 outscar wrote: Sea already retired from BW and doesn't care about controversy in other hand Bisu is legend and negative impact from viewers can directly hurt him not only his image. Just look at FlaSh's youtube channel and translate some comments, they're awful. + Show Spoiler + https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/574711-flashs-crypto-scandal?page=7#135 "I've lived a life where I didn't say anything bad to anyone in my life and never used malicious comments, but you're a special person to me, so I just say one thing. I regret the past days of crying and laughing at your game." "I never thought that Lee Young-ho would do something like this, the shock is so great" "It's really disgusting to say that my mother did it rather than investing in coins. Wouldn't it be better for mom to take a bath" "A person who has been loved by fans for over 10 years. I feel betrayed that you thought of an investment that would eat your back by using it. "If you make a mistake, apologize and accept the insults. You are an adult. If you sell your mother, you will be cursed and ridiculed." "I'm not even a one or two year old kid. It's at the level of making excuses for blaming the mother. Youngho, how old are you this year?" "Youngho, it's really disappointing. I really, really liked you. I watched the broadcast for a long time as a fan, and I shot a star balloon for the first time as a fan. It's not that you don't have enough money, is it really what a human would do to lose fans like this because of greed? Leave the feeling of betrayal and feel anger. Don't come back again, make atonement for the rest of your life like Mr. Ma." "With this incident, all the achievements and careers you built on the Starcraft have been overshadowed.." I'm really worried about FlaSh right now, hope this coin shit will settle down until his comeback. "It's really disgusting to say that my mother did it rather than investing in coins. Wouldn't it be better for mom to take a bath" hahaha that's the funniest thing! it's ALWAYS better for mom to take a bath! (I assume translator not doing the best job there) | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
On October 31 2021 07:31 outscar wrote: Sea already retired from BW and doesn't care about controversy in other hand Bisu is legend and negative impact from viewers can directly hurt him not only his image. Just look at FlaSh's youtube channel and translate some comments, they're awful. + Show Spoiler + https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/574711-flashs-crypto-scandal?page=7#135 "I've lived a life where I didn't say anything bad to anyone in my life and never used malicious comments, but you're a special person to me, so I just say one thing. I regret the past days of crying and laughing at your game." "I never thought that Lee Young-ho would do something like this, the shock is so great" "It's really disgusting to say that my mother did it rather than investing in coins. Wouldn't it be better for mom to take a bath" "A person who has been loved by fans for over 10 years. I feel betrayed that you thought of an investment that would eat your back by using it. "If you make a mistake, apologize and accept the insults. You are an adult. If you sell your mother, you will be cursed and ridiculed." "I'm not even a one or two year old kid. It's at the level of making excuses for blaming the mother. Youngho, how old are you this year?" "Youngho, it's really disappointing. I really, really liked you. I watched the broadcast for a long time as a fan, and I shot a star balloon for the first time as a fan. It's not that you don't have enough money, is it really what a human would do to lose fans like this because of greed? Leave the feeling of betrayal and feel anger. Don't come back again, make atonement for the rest of your life like Mr. Ma." "With this incident, all the achievements and careers you built on the Starcraft have been overshadowed.." I'm really worried about FlaSh right now, hope this coin shit will settle down until his comeback. The only shocking thing about those comments was the hilariously bad translation. Youtube comments come mostly from full-blown retards or 11 year old kids. I wouldn't count on them too much to form an overall picture of the situation. Flash is in the military right now and just like Bisu I think by now he is an established millionaire so doubt that them disappearing from streaming altogether is that much of a big deal. They're well set and the game is kind of dying out anyways so it's not like they've cost themselves that much. (at least imo) | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
Flash is in the military right now and just like Bisu I think by now he is an established millionaire so doubt that them disappearing from streaming altogether is that much of a big deal. They're well set and the game is kind of dying out anyways so it's not like they've cost themselves that much. (at least imo) flash's doing public service just like mong, soulkey. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway751 Posts
On October 31 2021 10:00 Ikirouta wrote: I'm happy that you think there will be a FlaSh comeback or a Bisu comeback. I certainly don't. Why not? Bisu isn't as good anymore but Flash will most def come back. It's not like one year on the service kills off all his skillz | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On October 31 2021 20:35 Timebon3s wrote: Why not? Bisu isn't as good anymore but Flash will most def come back. It's not like one year on the service kills off all his skillz He means their reputation is ruined beyond repair. You have to remember that besides the usual youtube-hunt, important figures such as KCM have condemmed Flash. I would like to think also that the skill and performance that Flash and Bisu bring to game is enough but it seems that korean community disagrees with this kind of narrative. | ||
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lost dedicated
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On October 31 2021 19:48 oxKnu wrote: The only shocking thing about those comments was the hilariously bad translation. Youtube comments come mostly from full-blown retards or 11 year old kids. I wouldn't count on them too much to form an overall picture of the situation. Flash is in the military right now and just like Bisu I think by now he is an established millionaire so doubt that them disappearing from streaming altogether is that much of a big deal. They're well set and the game is kind of dying out anyways so it's not like they've cost themselves that much. (at least imo) lol yeah their stream donations came from the sky obv. and not a single one of the donors care about the scandal as well, they are all 11 year old kids that just want to see their games. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway751 Posts
On October 31 2021 20:59 whaski wrote: He means their reputation is ruined beyond repair. You have to remember that besides the usual youtube-hunt, important figures such as KCM have condemmed Flash. I would like to think also that the skill and performance that Flash and Bisu bring to game is enough but it seems that korean community disagrees with this kind of narrative. Doesn't matter imo, he didn't do anything illegal and what is the odds of him quitting the thing he is best in the world at? This will blow over, if he can't praticipate in KCM or whatever, he can still stream. | ||
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jpg06051992
United States580 Posts
Even if it has nothing to do with the scandal, I wouldn't blame them for taking a good long break from streaming the game. I personally think JD and Flash will continue to stream though, they know that when they stream they make money. | ||
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TMNT
3113 Posts
Bisu can make a comeback if he really wants to, imo. His fan base should be huge enough that the portion who still supports him is still larger than the entire fanbase of other active BW streamers. He can even ask Sea to bed him in beforehand, just to test the water a little bit. The problem is he was demotivated himself already before the scandal. In a way, it kind of gave him a reason to disappear for good. | ||
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
I hope Flash comes back.. But thanks to these people he may not. | ||
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oxKnu
1240 Posts
So while on average it was the current toxic PC culture playing its hand the effects are vastly different: these guys here are around 30 years old and have very little expertise outside of their main streaming careers and public persona. And that alone might be a significant factor to consider in their return to streaming. | ||
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ox.tQ
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Lorch
Germany3690 Posts
On October 31 2021 07:31 outscar wrote: "Youngho, it's really disappointing. I really, really liked you. I watched the broadcast for a long time as a fan, and I shot a star balloon for the first time as a fan. It's not that you don't have enough money, is it really what a human would do to lose fans like this because of greed? Leave the feeling of betrayal and feel anger. Don't come back again, make atonement for the rest of your life like Mr. Ma." I'm guessing Mr. Ma is savior as his korean name is Ma Jae Yoon? Given that savior tried to stream BW for what feels like hundreds of times and even made some money from chinese tournaments, I don't think hes a great example for somebody making aotnement lol Either way Korean Netizens are crazy. I mean I understand hating on savior till infinity to a certain degree, but they act like this crypto scandal is just as bad. Nobody even lost any money in the end from the coin thing. Flash on the other hand has been a driving force behind BW both in terms of star power as well as pushing the meta for what feels like forever. How you wouldn't let somebody like that come back from what feels like a minor incedent is beyond me. Same goes for bisu, there is literally nothing that comes close to watching his POV... | ||
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lost dedicated
41 Posts
don't take anything they say to heart. they're fucking idiots. you wouldn't take anonymous comments on reddit as valuable opinions, so why these losers? ygosu and dcinside are like 50% suggestive images of women (outright porn is illegal). trust me, it's trash. ignore those morons. edit: to make my point clearer, most of them don't even play starcraft anymore. | ||
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Leonix
161 Posts
On November 01 2021 03:43 lost dedicated wrote: korean netizens are "nauseating" because they are korea's equivalent to what us western scrubs know as neckbeards. they think they know everything because they're all probably teenagers. they stay home all day and their parents pay for everything while they post complete bullshit on ygosu and dcinside. both those forums are one huge circlejerk. don't take anything they say to heart. they're fucking idiots. you wouldn't take anonymous comments on reddit as valuable opinions, so why these losers? ygosu and dcinside are like 50% suggestive images of women (outright porn is illegal). trust me, it's trash. ignore those morons. edit: to make my point clearer, most of them don't even play starcraft anymore. Critizing the critic like the critic you are... | ||
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confusedzerg
Russian Federation102 Posts
On October 31 2021 10:00 Ikirouta wrote: I'm happy that you think there will be a FlaSh comeback or a Bisu comeback. I certainly don't. perkele vittu, flash will come back. this man just whooped everyones ass using their own races. edit: oh shit you mean from the controversy. okay yeah man that's probably true, fuuuuck. why are koreans so weird about money? korea is pretty western at this point so they should get over it imo. | ||
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Jealous
10253 Posts
On November 02 2021 11:12 confusedzerg wrote: perkele vittu, flash will come back. this man just whooped everyones ass using their own races. edit: oh shit you mean from the controversy. okay yeah man that's probably true, fuuuuck. why are koreans so weird about money? korea is pretty western at this point so they should get over it imo. It's not really about money but about trust and public image... | ||
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confusedzerg
Russian Federation102 Posts
On November 02 2021 11:28 Jealous wrote: It's not really about money but about trust and public image... it wasnt that bad for bisu. he didnt do anything really wrong honestly. | ||
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Sirris
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select_clothes1444
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confusedzerg
Russian Federation102 Posts
On November 02 2021 17:02 select_clothes1444 wrote: lol crybaby agreed. OP needs to stfu. | ||
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On November 02 2021 14:37 Sirris wrote: I understand the backlash against Bisu and Flash and the loss of trust. I really do. I feel they are overreacting though. The punishment should fit the crime. Maybe it's a cultural difference. For example Chris Brown beat the shit out of his girlfriend (Rhianna). His lost his sponserships at the time yet somehow still has an incredibly successful career. There is no way what Bisu and Flash did is nearly as serious. Well the fact is, that Sea, Bisu and Flash all lied at first not being involved anyhow in Coin. https://bj.afreecatv.com/rlaxordyd/post/74230095 There is no way around it "I didn't invest in coin". It was only after names started dropping they admitted it, Flash even tried to lie more (not sure if it is still in his Afreeca homepage). We know, that these guys (Maybe not Sea) are immature and in Flashs case he probably paniced and posted whatever he could salvage. The fans are angry, because they feel betrayed being lied when most of these players get their living from sponfunds or donations. And then said players lie in such silly mater. For example Rush was watching old ASL matches between Mini and Flash. The witch hunt started right away but then chat calmed down and they argued that if Flash would spin lies about something as silly as coingate, he is surely capable of lying other things as well. So the problem is, that Afreeca Brood War owes it exitence to viewers and their donations. And sadly it seems Flash and Bisu in particular have lost critical ammount of support among koreans. I don't think its fair to be edgy about korean netizens in this particular issue, their relation with players is what keeps Brood War going after all the years. | ||
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confusedzerg
Russian Federation102 Posts
if i ask flash if he watches horse porn and he says no and it comes out that he actually does watch horse porn, can we blame him for lying? no. because it's personal. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway751 Posts
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confusedzerg
Russian Federation102 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
On November 03 2021 05:18 confusedzerg wrote: what is it our business if they lied or not? it's not. we shouldn't even be asking him anyway. if i ask flash if he watches horse porn and he says no and it comes out that he actually does watch horse porn, can we blame him for lying? no. because it's personal. What business are they in again? They earn a living streaming videogames to admirers, it’s very much up to their audiences if they feel they’ve betrayed them, or that admiration is diminished. I genuinely don’t understand why you’re conflating people watching horse porn in their private time and not wanting that public knowledge with chatting about investing in some crypto where they had a relationship with the person launching it, while lying about investing in it. It’s nothing to do with business savvy or experience, fuck sake just take a second to realise many of your young audience hero worship you and tread carefully, it’s a very asymmetrical parasocial relationship, wield what power you have responsibly. On the other hand, burning Flash and Bisu at the stake is absolutely over the top, people go to bloody ridiculous lengths seeking absolute retribution these days. End of the day if streaming is your job, be professional in how you go about it and don’t piss your audience off. Not that hard. | ||
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confusedzerg
Russian Federation102 Posts
he did not do anything to validate such feelings. just because they feel it does not mean it is valid or that anyone should care. for you to say him lying about investing it is wrong implies he has a responsibility to tell the truth about his financial habits, you see friend? | ||
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Highgamer
1444 Posts
On November 03 2021 05:18 confusedzerg wrote: what is it our business if they lied or not? it's not. we shouldn't even be asking him anyway. if i ask flash if he watches horse porn and he says no and it comes out that he actually does watch horse porn, can we blame him for lying? no. because it's personal. Sorry, but this comment and the info that you're presumably from Russia made me think of what the character of professor Valery Legasov in the Tchernobyl-series said about the role of systemic lying in the Soviet Union... + Show Spoiler + I'm NOT saying that all russians are liars or anything (edit: or that confusedzerg is a soviet), and I know that that series is only reality-based fiction, but I would assume that if a society were locked into a totalitarian system of institutionalized contortion of reality by the governing party for decades, statistically, that would have to leave some marks on the way people handle the matter of lying and telling the truth... Similarly, living in a society of institutionalized greed like in capitalism does something to the way people treat each other btw, put monetary wealth above all other values or so. "What does it matter if someone lies or not? It's personal." So you don't trust anyone, period? Truth and trust are overrated? I guess you cannot feel betrayed then but it's kind of depressing... But the point is: There are personal matters that you can lie about (if you're not morally intriqued yourself) because they don't cause anyone any harm, and there are matters that matter to the public where lying equals committing fraud or abusing the public's justified trust. I really admire Flash as a player and want this whole thing to be forgiven and forgotten, but if he deceived and lied to the public in a matter of public interest then he has to be criticised for it. Not more not less. | ||
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confusedzerg
Russian Federation102 Posts
asking someones financial habits is a personal matter that you can lie about. but you clearly do not agree. this is not something that can be measured objectively. it's up to the individual and their personal morals. i think that if you base your major financial decisions off of what others do rather than your own research then you deserve whatever is coming to you. you think that people who blindly follow others should not be blamed. that is okay. why not put the country you are from? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
On November 03 2021 06:07 confusedzerg wrote: just because they feel betrayed or offended does not mean that they are right. he did not do anything to validate such feelings. just because they feel it does not mean it is valid or that anyone should care. for you to say him lying about investing it is wrong implies he has a responsibility to tell the truth about his financial habits, you see friend? He does not have a duty to disclose his finances at the demands of his stream no, if he brings a particular topic regarding investing into his stream then he has a duty to be honest about the various aforementioned factors. I don’t understand why this distinction is difficult to get. If you don’t think such a distinction is important or that streamers have no ethical obligations whatsoever, well they still depend on their audience’s goodwill to earn them money. Even from a purely self-interested, utterly amoral perspective it is not sensible to shit where you eat, so to speak. | ||
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confusedzerg
Russian Federation102 Posts
okay i am wrong then. i still think people should be big boys and decide for themselves but that makes more sense. | ||
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Poetic[AoV]
United Kingdom183 Posts
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Highgamer
1444 Posts
On November 03 2021 06:38 confusedzerg wrote: oh, he brought it up on stream? i thought he was asked about this specific coin. okay i am wrong then. i still think people should be big boys and decide for themselves but that makes more sense. This post is like a gentle flower, growing on the scorched battlefield that is the BW forum, the coingate-threads in particular. Big kudos. I'm saddened by being so amazed by it... | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic627 Posts
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lamarine
587 Posts
On November 03 2021 06:38 confusedzerg wrote: oh, he brought it up on stream? i thought he was asked about this specific coin. okay i am wrong then. i still think people should be big boys and decide for themselves but that makes more sense. lol :D that was unexpected turn of events :D :D :D | ||
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